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Real-Time Gmail Spying FBI's 'Top Priority' for 2013
FBI Once Again Beating CALEA Update Drum
by Karl Bode Wednesday 27-Mar-2013 tags: business · wireless · privacy · content · wireless
While carriers already now give real-time access to all network data, the FBI says that real-time wiretapping of Gmail is their top priority in 2013. Speaking last week at the American Bar Association, FBI general counsel Andrew Weissmann argued once again that the agency wants to revamp the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act to allow for real-time surveillance of e-mail, cloud storage services, and social networking websites. This is a drum the FBI has been beating for years, as they want easier access to services that use SSL encryption:

While it is true that CALEA can only be used to compel Internet and phone providers to build in surveillance capabilities into their networks, the feds do have some existing powers to request surveillance of other services. Authorities can use a “Title III” order under the “Wiretap Act” to ask email and online chat providers furnish the government with “technical assistance necessary to accomplish the interception.” However, the FBI claims this is not sufficient because mandating that providers help with “technical assistance” is not the same thing as forcing them to “effectuate” a wiretap.

When asked to prove exact scenarios where existing surveillance capabilities and laws have actually prohibited them from doing their jobs, law enforcement and intelligence agencies often fall short. There have also been repeated examples where the FBI doesn't have much respect for the laws they're supposedly hamstrung by, anyway. Earlier this month Subsentio, a firm that helps with communications monitoring for the FBI, DEA and DHS, stated that carriers are already handing over way more data than authorized. Records have also shown how companies like AT&T have repeatedly and almost glibly helped the FBI break surveillance law.

Usually in intelligence, by the time you're reading about it in the press, public privacy hysteria is a decade late and a dollar short, and what we wind up witnessing are efforts to change laws organizations have already been breaking for some time.

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Tomek
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"Security" of cloud

Since now everything is moved to cloud, that gives government or well connected individuals/corporations wide access to everything there. I would stick to my local hard drive
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Re: "Security" of cloud

And more of a reason to start hosting your own email servers.

FBGuy
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Re: "Security" of cloud

good luck keeping them off the blacklist

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mine's been in my basement since 2005, no problems here.

FBGuy
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Re: "Security" of cloud

email has ALWAYS been in the cloud.

Tomek
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Re: "Security" of cloud

said by FBGuy:

email has ALWAYS been in the cloud.

Not necessarily correct statement.
Internal email is far from cloud. It is relatively new thing to use "off-site" hosted email. So what you thought was "internal", it is now on mercy of host company.

Own email server would allow to safeguard information better, and you don't have to "protect" and "retain" for gov't use
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Re: "Security" of cloud

said by Tomek:

said by FBGuy:

email has ALWAYS been in the cloud.

Not necessarily correct statement.
Internal email is far from cloud. It is relatively new thing to use "off-site" hosted email. So what you thought was "internal", it is now on mercy of host company.

Clouds can be internal, too.

said by Tomek:

Own email server would allow to safeguard information better, and you don't have to "protect" and "retain" for gov't use

Wanna bet?

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Re: "Security" of cloud

said by Tomek:

Own email server would allow to safeguard information better, and you don't have to "protect" and "retain" for gov't use

that is not true at all. there are regulations that state what you have to retain and protect.

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said by FBGuy:

there are regulations that state what you have to retain and protect.

...if you're hosting email for others--as opposed to just yourself.
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Re: "Security" of cloud

said by NotHereNow :
said by FBGuy:
there are regulations that state what you have to retain and protect.

...if you're hosting email for others--as opposed to just yourself.

If YOU are involved in activities related to SARBOX etc. type regulations CORPORATE or PERONAL email servers and email are subject to these regulations if it pertains to the regulated activity. Period.

If your hosting your OWN personal email server and it contains no activity related to these regulated activities, then you don't have to follow it... ONE EMAIL from that account on that server and POOF! Your in for a world of pain.
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FBGuy
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Re: "Security" of cloud

because this shit hasn't been going on for the last decade?

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Re: "Security" of cloud

said by FBGuy:

because this shit hasn't been going on for the last decade?

Decade? It's been going on for FAR longer than that in some form or another.
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I will never use a Cloud.........using my hard drives and my external drives.

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Most transparent Administration...

...ever...ever...
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Re: Most transparent Administration...

Hope and change = more of the same.

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Re: Most transparent Administration...

more = increased amount of ... the same.
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Re: Most transparent Administration...

said by NOYB:

more = increased amount of ... the same.

Yep, bush was this way and so is obama. Another president continuing/doing it = more president doing it.
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Maybe he meant that WE would be more transparent.
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said by skeechan:

...ever...ever...

Yes, it's completely transparent how little respect they have for people's rights.

Twaddle

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The Cloud

The Feds need a wiretap or warrant? Just ignore and circumvent the law!
I saw this coming when the Tech firms began to try to sell "The Cloud" mindset to people/customers. Seems to me that lots of Federal pressure being put on the tech industry to just be their R and D lackeys and provide easy access to products and services being sold. Bottom line, if you connect to the Internet, use a computer or ANY device that can record what you type or input, it is available to the Feds whether its legal or not and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it short of destroying the device or doing a comprehensive data wipe if they choose to come for your information. Yeah, take the Feds to the kangaroo courts to protect your "Constitutional Rights" and you will ignored or (insert any excuse/reason). That's the reality of this U S of A

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time for tor

last year i had to learn properly utilize VPN providers

now i'll have to learn all about »www.torproject.org/

for every weapon and strategy there is a counter measure,

that's why such online privacy wars are always pointless.
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Re: time for tor

You could always try 'Hushmail' which uses PGP encryption (assuming Hushmail hasn't been 'hushed'.
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Re: time for tor

Hushmail is based in Canada, so it shouldn't be. I have looked into Lavabit, which looks promising too.

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said by en103:

You could always try 'Hushmail' which uses PGP encryption (assuming Hushmail hasn't been 'hushed'.

Hush mail had a problem a while ago maybe 4 or 5 years and it wasn't as secure as thought. »www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/1···d-e-mai/

It was all over weigh lifting boadrs etc. Apparently steroid sellers used hush mail heavily. BTW paypal was a main stay of the gambling world at one point before it was sold off. Same problem the Feds started looking to closely to what was going on.

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TOR has seen some good improvements in speed and content saturation in the last few years, which I am glad to see. Stuff like this should keep driving that increase in popularity. However, if that trend continues the TOR protocols would probably have to advance at a much faster rate because of the rise in attention from LEA's of all stripes. IMHO
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Gmail

Although I am sure this is not exclusive to Gmail, I plan to ditch all free webmail providers I use this year and migrate to a different solution. Just not sure what yet. Perhaps I will stand up my own email server.

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Re: Gmail

Really? Who you going to communicate with? Yourself and only others on your own email server? Think about it a bit more.

Only way to prevent peeping tom government is end to end encryption proven to not have a master key.

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For those of you who still think

the US is still a democracy. Keep dreaming. While the government spews "spreading democracy" we are drifting further away from it.
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Re: For those of you who still think

We have plenty of democracy, maybe too much.

What we need is freedom.
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Re: For those of you who still think

said by pawpaw:

We have plenty of democracy, maybe too much.

We are almost a democracy in the same way the people's republic of china is, at this point.

said by pawpaw:

What we need is freedom.

Yes.

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said by Dominokat:

the US is still a democracy. Keep dreaming. While the government spews "spreading democracy" we are drifting further away from it.

Welcome to the new America comrade.

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Nothing

There's nothing that we can do about this. Absolutely NOTHING.

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Geee... Welcome to Amerika...

It's spent the last 20 years or more turning into a fascist state and people are just noticing now? A little too late folks, all you can do now is bend over and enjoy what the government gives you.

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Welcome to the US of China where the government spy's on your every move.

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Guilty until innocence is proven

All this allows is a fishing expedition without warrant. Citizens may as well be living in China for all the so called freedom they get from the US government.
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No Fly List proves we need courts to review everything

If I end up on the "No Fly List", because some government contractor wrote a buggy program to automate terrorist detection by data mining, my freedom is being violated. "No Fly List" doesn't have a court process, does it? I wouldn't get summoned to court where I have a chance to disprove the flawed evidence against me.

Until injustices like the "No Fly List", payment processor embargoes, and DNS seizures are ended, we must insist that government respect our Fourth Amendment rights. Actually we have to insist on it anyways, but these show it's a real danger to liberty and not simply theoretical.
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Re: No Fly List proves we need courts to review everything

I plan on installing this onto my private server »www.citadel.org/doku.php/doku.php?id=start

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And just exactly what will that do?

Realistic

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you can run but you can't hide

Better to assume everything you put on a wire can be and probably is being intercepted. If you really have a secret, use the best encryption you can find and presume that by encrypting you will draw attention to your payload.
Government for and by the People has perished, sometime back in the 20th century, probably around the time of Saint Reagan. There's certainly no turning back now.

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