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Rochester, NY | Re: Good to know... You can always use Palm-Pilot! | |
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| Re: Good to know... Or use your cell phone. And if you are lucky enough to have one of those new picture phones, take a picture of that wi-fi box while you are at it, lol.
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| Re: Good to know... said by Jammy:
Or use your cell phone. And if you are lucky enough to have one of those new picture phones, take a picture of that wi-fi box while you are at it, lol.
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Huh? He just said "low-cell coverage area"! | |
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Scarsdale, NY | Cool This wifi hotspot thing is getting REALLY AWESOME
its like the entire United States going wireless.
Anywhere you go, you're still connected
Very Nice.
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool Until you see your telco bill. | |
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Scarsdale, NY | Re: Cool damn its not one of those free wireless internet
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| | |  bear73Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly SkiesPremium
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Grand Forks Afb, ND | Re: Cool said by oliphant5:
Until you see your telco bill.
said by Shanto20:
damn its not one of those free wireless internet
I would expect it would require an account or perhaps a phone card much as it is with payphones today. Perhaps it will be like dialup where you just "dial in" to your provider. Or as cell phones are, set your stuff to roam. They could even provide some emergency services this way. Contact to emergency services?
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| | |  MarkyDPremium
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: Cool said by klobb:
It's free for Verizon DSL/Dial up users in NYC right now..
That gives Verizon at least SOME competitive edge against the Cable guys...
They needed something.
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Chicago, IL | said by klobb:
right now..
we'll see how long that lasts! | |
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| | | | | | Re: Cool It definitely gives Verizon a competitive advantage. Once they put those things up there's basically no monthly cost. So if it reduces churn on their DSL, that's a good reason to keep it free. | |
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| | |  DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
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Round Rock, TX | If Dial-up users can get Wi-Fi access free from Verizon, those that are living close to Wi-Fi hot spots will have rather cheap DSL level access (up to 3Mbps) rather cheap  | |
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| | | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool said by DrTCP:
If Dial-up users can get Wi-Fi access free from Verizon, those that are living close to Wi-Fi hot spots will have rather cheap DSL level access (up to 3Mbps) rather cheap
Like most airport and other hotspots, they probably have time limits.
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| |  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
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kudos:1 | Good things in life are never free  | |
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| | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool Or in the case of the telcos, bad things aren't free either | |
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| | | | RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Cool I think that is the case with most companies, telco, power or otherwise. | |
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| | | Shanto20Don't Frown, Be BrownPremium
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Scarsdale, NY | One cannot SEE the good things in life.
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kudos:1 | Re: Cool I see lots of good things, my family, my pets, my church, the ocean, my computer, trains | |
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| | | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | said by Shanto20:
One cannot SEE the good things in life.
I'm seeing it right now, Bucs@Falcons in HDTV, typing away on a 54g equipped laptop between plays. Life is good.
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Scarsdale, NY | Re: Cool I can rebut a lot of this, but i dont wanna change the direction of this thread.
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San Francisco, CA | Nice way to try to gloat eh? | |
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| | | | | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool said by Chair:
Nice way to try to gloat eh?
Wow, you mean I'm the only one in all of DSLR with an HDTV and Linksys AP?!? Geez, what's next for me, a super exclusive Camry? Or should I splurge on a toaster that cooks 4 slices at a time? Please, give your crayons a rest.
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Good things in life are never free
not true...It depends on your perception of free.
I'm goina like this, going from a totally secure and tracable network to totally insecure, untracable network
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Until you see your telco bill.
If you could get a wifi phone (size of cell) that would be sweet! Not to mention no more radiation being beamed into your brain... Also say you had bell service and a wifi phone they should offer free local calls or whatever as if you were using your home land line.(You guys are thinking about iNET and using laptops to d/l stuff which would be vary expensive) Think about all the other cool uses it could have.
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| | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool I certainly wouldn't bitch if a telco offered a deal for bundled xDSL and Wi-Fi for $50 (eg $15-$20 than DSL alone). I understand there is a cost involved, but what I see on the horizon will be separate services (like land & cell), each with their somewhat hefty price.
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Of course the service is only available where DSL service is available? This clearly eliminates a lot of coverage. If you do not travel anywhere outside of 18,000 feet from the CO then you are good? | |
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| | | It's pretty silly to believe that the telcos can blanket the country in WiFi (sure, hype being fueled by the Bells) when we can't even get full digital cell phone coverage...
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool It's also pretty silly to believe that you would need 100% coverage to be successful. You digital cell example is a good one. You certainly can't argue the popularity of mobile phones, despite their lack of 100% nationwide coverage.
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| | | | If people didn't complain about wireless providers wanting to build cell towers "in their backyard". Then there would be more/better coverage. | |
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| | | oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Re: Cool They make them into fake palm trees out here (where there are many). You have to look twice to realize it's a cell tower.
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| | Payphones and antiques Well we all know that payphones are a very old technology and the Bells are starting to take out the payphones because everyone now has a cell phone so why use a payphone? Wi-Fi sounds like a good idea though. Most of those payphones are like antiques and nice for decorations. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | How about blackout...... There was a lot of discussion about VoIP and its inability to work during crisis. Verizon and other Telco aim for VoIP-enabled phones. That way, You will be able to make a phone-booth call almost anywhere and access data services.
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| Re: How about blackout...... Sustainable power remains an issue with VoIP systems. It's not really a technical issue (you can just UPS the switches, assuming the phones are getting inline power via Ethernet), but a cost issue.
Another possibility is to have an ordinary POTS system as backup.
Bell Canada has been spearheading this whole Wi-Fi payphone thing in North America, I'm proud to say. They're still free to use at no charge, although this may change shortly. They have WiFi hotspots on club cars on the VIA Montreal-Toronto trains too!
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Valley Stream, NY | Re: How about blackout...... Nice, looks like Canada is going forward faster than US. | |
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kudos:4 | 50 cents... What are the pricing for these? 50 cents for 3 minutes like regular payphones. thats $10 an hour! thanks but no thanks.
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| | 911??? Um yea lets just say i think highspeed companies have hit a new low of stupidity. So yea, many people own cell phones. I do. So many of us our jerks that sit on em ( Itry to avoid that, as someone mentioned.. ITS REAL BAD TO DO.. only emergencies. Yes sittin on a cell phone makes you worse than the 80 year old grandma who can't see over he wheel and once veered into my oncoming lane and scared the crap out of me.
MY POINT??? Just cause people have and use cell phones doesnt make them the END ALL ANSWER. Nothing is more secure than land lines. Look at the blackout folks had in NY. Cell phones didn't work but land lines did.
But hey, Im sure that person needing 911 services who only had access to a cell phone ( which wouldnt work), would be glad that there are now no land line payphones. See the ignorance in removing one of the last resorts people have to make a call... Well hey I know, lets just provide every american a free laptop ( sarcasm here) and then they can log on and instant message a buddy to call 911.. Thats right, the overly delayed Highspeed help system. Better yet, if your pc has a webcam, Why not capture that emergency to put in the family album ( more sarcasm). I'm sure the kids would love to see the mugging on tape. Hey this is me being mugged, this is me being beaten.. so on so forth. But yet, where's that phone when you need it... Hence, taking away pay phones is a REALLY dumb idea. I can attest for the fact, that even when there is no service, there also might not be roaming. When i went to Tennessee, my phone couldnt get out in the mountains less i payed 75 cents a minute to roam, and then it dropped the call umpteen times and cost me a fortune before i got one successful call out. All this could have been solved IF THEY HAD PAY PHONE. Moral of the story, Sometimes the old ways the good way. | |
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| | Telco Monopoly Legacy It is a brilliant reuse of an existing (and somewhat antiquated) resource by Verizon. And it will help proliferate WiFi.
But it's also a good example of how the telcos have a huge competitive advantage against non-incumbent providers, based upon the telcos' origins as regulated monopolies.
It would be virtually impossible for a non-incumbent to build out a wireline network in a metropolitan area today (hurdles include government approvals, public right-of-way, availability of capital, incumbent barriers to entry). That is precisely why the telephone and cable companies were initially granted regulated monopoly status with the benefits that accrue thereto (public easements, no competition, access to capital, regulated profits, etc.)--precisely so they could build out such networks.
Can you imagine the cost to a competitive hotspot provider if it wanted to build such a network of WiFi access points in Manhattan today in a competitive environment. It would have to purchase thousands of 8 square foot pieces of Manhattan real estate in the open market and provide wired access to each of them.
Obviously impossible. Verizon's existing ownership of such a network of public phones is a vestige of time when Bell Telephone was a regulated monopoly. And that ownership is a HUGE competitive advantage--an insurmountable one.
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Brooklyn, NY | hmm they are adding Wifi to the payphones. I think they'll still keep the original phones. | |
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