  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 |  99% coverage means less competition not hurting rollout
less competitive incentive for smaller cable operators to upgrade during a recession If the report is correct and coverage will be 99%, then smaller cable companies will be deploying anyway - competitive pressure or not
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| Re: 99% coverage means less competition not hurting rollout More likely the 99% target can't be met by some
Comcast is deploying, TW claims testing (NYC only), charter is in bankruptcy and may not be able to raise capitol even if the court allows, and many small cable companies ( aggregate footprint greater than 1 % ) don't have the resources (techincal or financial) so that goal is BS..............UNLESS the FCC allows major consolidation in the industry (ie ends their 30% cap requirment )
So the likely end result of allowing cable to update to newer/ more competitive infrasturcture will be less diverse ownership/fewer but bigger companies, often a sign of a less competive (from the consumer side) industry. | |
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| | | said by ThrowDemsOut:less competitive incentive for smaller cable operators to upgrade during a recession If the report is correct and coverage will be 99%, then smaller cable companies will be deploying anyway - competitive pressure or not Smaller companies already are. Service Electric in E. PA and W. NJ are. | |
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| | tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: 99% coverage means less competition not hurting rollout with 90K catv customers Service Electric isn't huge, but they aren't one of the 100's (1000's?) of small systems that serve 100 to 10-20,000 homes (the way MOST cable systems started, before they went thru multiple consolidations) many of which are already stretched thin provide cable and internet and maybe phone, and can't afford the plant upgrades.
Since "Broadband everywhere" is now a national priority, does it make more sense to pay/finance for many of these small companies to upgrade OR by simply changing a regulation allowing the mega corps to do it on their own, perhaps with some conditions attached. such as, no buying and holding for resale -- you buy it you would be required to bring it up to your national standard within X years and expand to cover unserved areas withing the footprint AND justify any price increases to a board ( esscentially reactiving local control/franchises but with limited powers to assure a consistant product at a resonable price, without the graft that occured in some areas.) if the community demanded higher/more expensive options (100% underground, 15 local access channels, free library or public service use-) then those costs plus a reasonable profit would effect local rates. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Yeah and the fios areas will be docsis 5.0 getting gigabit speeds. | |
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1 edit | Bull! I cry bull. I hate when companies put out these "optimistic" future reports. The telcos claimed a large majority would have next-gen broadband by, what years was it? 2005, 2009, 2010, 2012... and I am sure they will say it again in a few years. What are they at now? Something like < 20%, some less than 10%
I'll believes it when I sees it.
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| cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Re: Bull! This report is a cable not telcos. | |
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| | | | Re: Bull! I was making a point. Companies rarely ever complete optimistic upgrades on the time scale they present. Jeez, and people say I'm literal.
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | I agree it's bull. 99%? Yeah ok in my area maybe 40% even have access to basic cable. Um 99% docsis 3.0 in 4 years? ok. | |
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| | | | Re: Bull! my area maybe 40% even have access to basic cable. The wording here is not clear, but I am fairly certain they mean 99% of people that have cable service in the first place. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
 ·AT&T U-Verse
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| But with certain cable companies, like TWC... ...DOCSIS 3.0 will come with a price. Yes, you will get your ultra fast connections, but you can only download 40 Gb with it before they charge you 1$ extra.
Yeah, TWC has postponed it for now, but they are only waiting till the media isn't watching them anymore to re-introduce the caps.
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| | | Re: But with certain cable companies, like TWC... And I am sure most will not see any speed changes. Hell, some are probably upgrading just to skirt the inevitable IPv6 changeover.
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| |  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: But with certain cable companies, like TWC... said by jimbo2150:And I am sure most will not see any speed changes. Hell, some are probably upgrading just to skirt the inevitable IPv6 changeover. Every one in a Comcast market will not only see speed changes, but everyone should be Docsis 3.0 by the deadline set for Comcast.
They are rolling 3.0 out very quickly. | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: But with certain cable companies, like TWC... I know they are doing a very good job IMHO of getting D3 out, if only they would expand ANY docsis to my area(about 10mi from where their service ends), on the bright side they want to get ALL the area they serve near me to docsis3 by years end maybe me area will be served soon after. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by maartena:...DOCSIS 3.0 will come with a price. Yes, you will get your ultra fast connections, but you can only download 40 Gb with it before they charge you 1$ extra. That's TW. Comcast is rolling out docsis 3.0 and has a 250 GB cap. | |
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| Re: But with certain cable companies, like TWC... said by BF69:said by maartena:...DOCSIS 3.0 will come with a price. Yes, you will get your ultra fast connections, but you can only download 40 Gb with it before they charge you 1$ extra. That's TW. Comcast is rolling out docsis 3.0 and has a 250 GB cap. ATT and TW will both introduce 250gb on all tier
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| tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | How would TW avoid press coverage, at this point forward, about low caps? I'm sure you and several thousand other TW users will loudly alert the press, at the first sign that they are reintroducing low caps. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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1 edit | yawn quote:
A new Pike and Fisher report says cable operators should have DOCSIS 3.0 deployed to 99% of homes passed by 2013. About 15 million of the 120 million homes served with cable had DOCSIS 3.0 functionality at the end of 2008, a number that should jump to 53 million homes this year, and 119 million by 2013. Relatively inexpensive deployments will help carriers cut operational costs and boost revenues, notes the group.
»www.newnetworks.com/Massachusett···iber.htm
»www.teletruth.org/fiberopticstates.htm
I don't feel like finding NY Times "Special Corespondent" pieces from the 1990s of how NYNEX/BA will have atleast 10% FTTH by 2000 but I know there are somewhere there.
Here we go straight from the horses mouth, although no percentages were included, just "eventually" which means FIOS is part of this press release »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···29607541 | |
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| | So what.... I have to agree with everyone else in here. So what cable co.s!
DOCSIS 3.0 just gets us all to the meager cap sooner. You may as well not even advertise the feature since the result is bittersweet. | |
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join:2003-07-05
·Cox HSI
| Cox... If only Cox would speed up their rollout. Those of us in the Phoenix and Vegas markets won't be seeing it for a long, long time because of the complete lack of competition.
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Cox... said by Time:If only Cox would speed up their rollout. Those of us in the Phoenix and Vegas markets won't be seeing it for a long, long time because of the complete lack of competition. That's not good.Here We Have U-Verse from ATT Which really i think kind of Sucks but from what im seeing they are taking away Customers from Cox.So they may Update here sometime but will see.
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join:2003-07-05 Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: Cox... said by Jigsaw:said by Time:If only Cox would speed up their rollout. Those of us in the Phoenix and Vegas markets won't be seeing it for a long, long time because of the complete lack of competition. That's not good.Here We Have U-Verse from ATT Which really i think kind of Sucks but from what im seeing they are taking away Customers from Cox.So they may Update here sometime but will see. Yeah, I really wish AT&T or Verizon would take over the telco market here so we could atleast have another broadband inclined provider. Embarq only offers 1.5 Mbps DSL to my location, I'm not expecting much out of their CenturyTel merger either. | |
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join:2004-08-14
Lafayette, LA | If you really want Docis 3 service from Cox do what Lafayette did and start your own municipal fiber network...
that's where Cox put its very first Docsis 3 build
Here in Lafayette we have two 50 meg providers: local utility LUS & Cox.
Of course the LUS deal is 1)symmetrical and 2)cheaper...but at least Cox is trying. | |
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| dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by Time:If only Cox would speed up their rollout. Those of us in the Phoenix and Vegas markets won't be seeing it for a long, long time because of the complete lack of competition. SOMEONE needs to buy qwest so we have REAL competition
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| | 50%=99% New Math in the US While they may convert 99% of cable clients, broadband is still only available to 50% of the population. Or were they actually trying to say they will cover the remaining 49% of the US with cable by 2013? Naaaa, just one more marketing PR.
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: 50%=99% New Math in the US I know, they just don't care about people in the county where it is not AS profitable. If they don't want to sell their products to farmers, maybe farmers should stop selling their products to them. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | Re: 50%=99% New Math in the US Do you think farmers don't hope/attempt to make a profit in their business? | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: 50%=99% New Math in the US Everyone wants to make money dude...... | |
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| | | Wouldn't this mean trouble for all the Telco's w/non-fiber DSL territories?
If a cable competitor can offer DOCSIS 3.0 speeds, wouldn't people drop the Telco DSL(non-fiber) for the MSO's ? | |
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1 edit | I can believe it. Just in Pennsylvania alone, some of the most rural areas are launching Docsis 3.0. It's relatively inexpensive and just a matter of making sure the system has the available bandwidth for channel bonding, as well as, a couple pieces of equipment in the headend. I don't understand why people are doubting the 4 year deadline, I mean, I work in a 550 MHz system and they're even testing.
As far as caps go, I play games at least 1-3 hrs an evening, stream multiple video's from youtube, even watch a movie off of fancast or hulu and I am definitely not even close to this "limit". Then again, I don't pirate movies, music, software, or anything of the sort. | |
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