 amungus Premium join:2004-11-26 America clubs:
| I was just talking about this... with a friend the other night...
yep, 6MHZ per analog channel... which I'll be sad to see go away in the future, but hey, more is always nicer.
They could easily implement docsis 3 at that point too, which would obviously be good for the interweb 
say they even left a couple (or 5-10) analog channels out there for fallback or emergency use, or whatever, that'd still free up the VAST majority of their available space. then there could be a boatload of standard def digital channels, and a real use of HD for the rest.
on the sad note, I still love good ol' analog when it has a good signal. looks great on a nice tube, reliable as heck, doesn't pixellate, have random glitches like odd dropouts, and I'd MUCH rather have a bit of static than up and losing the signal altogether. ..oh well, towards the future we go. | |
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 |  RadioDoc 58ef2c0 Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11
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| Re: I was just talking about this... Having the capacity and using the capacity are two entirely different things.
If they weren't worried sick about the competition castrating them in short order, they wouldn't be constantly releasing these "studies".
I'll believe it when they start deploying and cutting prices to something that makes sense. Cable pricing right now makes absolutely no sense unless you own stock in the MSO. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. The Buck Starts Here. | |
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  Matt Take me down to the paradise city Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC
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| Impressive I've seen the local Time Warner RDC in Greensboro that serves hundreds of thousands of customers. That thing is pretty much 100% fiber. It's VERY impressive.
The real question is, how close to the customer is all that fiber from the RDC actually run? | |
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join:2005-06-05 Bronx, NY
| We Will see They continually say they have the capacity to do XYZ. But they have all been slow in upping speeds outside of Cablevision and they all have been slow to add Highdef channels which ironically they blame on not having the bandwidth. Which is it? So while its a great talking point to make your investors feel good, let see some action finally. | |
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 |  DMWCincy
join:2004-04-27 Fairfield, OH
| Re: We Will see said by liquidnw :They continually say they have the capacity to do XYZ. But they have all been slow in upping speeds outside of Cablevision and they all have been slow to add Highdef channels which ironically they blame on not having the bandwidth. Which is it? So while its a great talking point to make your investors feel good, let see some action finally. I wish they would start to do something. I'm not asking for much. I just want a bump in upload speed. I have plenty of download bandwidth right now. I would happily take more download speed but first bump me to 1Mb upload. I do a lot from work and the small 386Kb upload from TWC sucks when I'm uploading a huge project. I know I can get the business plan but the amount of money they charge is crazy compare to the FIOS speeds/prices. | |
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 |  Fausttt
join:2006-08-07 Norfolk, VA
| said by liquidnw :They continually say they have the capacity to do XYZ. But they have all been slow in upping speeds outside of Cablevision and they all have been slow to add Highdef channels which ironically they blame on not having the bandwidth. Which is it? So while its a great talking point to make your investors feel good, let see some action finally. well people complain about not getting new content that they cannot provide because of "bandwidth" limitations, then when they reclaim analog channels and provide only a few analog channels, people complain that they have to rent a $3 box to get all their channels and that it isnt economically competitive for houses with multiple tv's that run off analog. so im sure once the public makes up its mind as to what it will accept and not complain about, the companies will follow. | |
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join:2005-06-05 Bronx, NY
| Re: We Will see said by Fausttt :said by liquidnw :They continually say they have the capacity to do XYZ. But they have all been slow in upping speeds outside of Cablevision and they all have been slow to add Highdef channels which ironically they blame on not having the bandwidth. Which is it? So while its a great talking point to make your investors feel good, let see some action finally. well people complain about not getting new content that they cannot provide because of "bandwidth" limitations, then when they reclaim analog channels and provide only a few analog channels, people complain that they have to rent a $3 box to get all their channels and that it isn't economically competitive for houses with multiple tv's that run off analog. so i'm sure once the public makes up its mind as to what it will accept and not complain about, the companies will follow. Yes that's a nice piece of circular logic that can be used as an excuse. But there is a real simple solution which is to shut up about what you "can" do until your serious about doing it. I'm not upset about them saying them not adding channel because of "bandwidth limitations, I can under stand that. I'm upset about the double talk. Either you can or you can't. Either you will or you won't. | |
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join:2003-04-21 Middleboro, MA
| The Cable Co better get a Statewide Frachise Since many on the local Cable Co.s have local franchise agreements to keep analog channels for another 5 to 7 years (based on a 10 year agreement here in MA).
They are going to have to do something to keep those old (pun intended) non cable box users happy. How about give away one cable box to every subscriber for the ability to give up the analog signals.
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Why not set up some of the housing authorities with Digital to Analog whole system converters like a hotel room? I know there are other issues. No broadband to each unit etc... But I was just thinking... -- Just my 2 cents...Flame Lightly... | |
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join:2004-10-26 North Andover, MA | Re: The Cable Co better get a Statewide Frachise Delay? When is the last time you used a cable box? I have no delay.. (I have one of the dual tuner DVR boxes.. 6812?) | |
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@144.226.x.x | Re: The Cable Co better get a Statewide Frachise I have digital cable with a box and yes it is slow on channel change, about 3-5 sec to sync up. | |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| Were due for an upgrade I'm currently served by a Comcast 750 MHz system in PA which I'm told is just about running at 100% capacity. Granted we do have ADS, HD-VOD, and a decent lineup for 750 MHz. Next fall (2007) the 750 MHz system will be approaching the 10 year old mark. General rule of thumb is a system must be profitable a minimum of 8 to 10 years to be considered for an upgrade, therefore our time is coming. Some employees are saying an upgrade to 1 GHz is going to begin 4th Quarter 2007. This will probably entail running new lines. When our 450 MHz system was built out to 750 by AT&T Broadband in 98, they kept the same feeder lines and cables that were there for years. They cut in new taps, amps, bridgers, and le's, also ran fiber and installed nodes. Some employees suggest that a new system will be built from scratch and the current one will be wreaked out. Not sure which route they are going to take since its not set in stone yet. Also the Panasonic 250 GB DVR should be available in 2007 which has mpeg 4 / H.264 codec ability which will further enhance the bandwidth capability. Most likely frequencies over 865 MHz will be reserved for future data services such as docsis 3.0 channel bonding. This would have to be the case because all currently deployed Motorola STB's only have an 860 MHz tuner. | |
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  CableTool Poorly Representing MYSELF. Premium join:2004-11-12
| Next Report I cant wait for the next report to say that cable is a fad and so is broadband. Cable has MORE THEN ENOUGH capacity for speeds. High Def additions also have a little room and its usually just looking for content and pricing. And again.. once the analogs are mostly gone it will be a whole new cable world.
Then there is channel bonding.. etc etc etc. There is a myriad of options that will keep the cablecos competitive with fiber for quite some time. -- CableFAQ.org
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  dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ | Plenty of capacity? Ok cox, wheres my 20000/5000 that people of FIOS' top tier get? -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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join:2006-08-07 Norfolk, VA | Re: Plenty of capacity? 50/5 is their top tier in alot of areas. | |
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join:2002-03-19 Brandon, MS
1 edit | Doesn't Matter Though Now maybe they (Comcast in my case) should invest in buying adequate capacity linking these cable systems to the rest of the world. Every night I deal with high latency, reduced bandwidth, sluggish VPN connections, and choppy VoIP phone conversations. I'm talking latency at about 150 to 200 ms on most nights, and reaching 650ms on really bad nights.
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 |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Doesn't Matter Though said by heathcpe :Now maybe they (Comcast in my case) should invest in buying adequate capacity linking these cable systems to the rest of the world. Every night I deal with high latency, reduced bandwidth, sluggish VPN connections, and choppy VoIP phone conversations. I'm talking latency at about 150 to 200 ms on most nights, and reaching 650ms on really bad nights. » Rankin, MS Nightly Network Congestion Status I bet VOIP is pretty on that! (NOT) -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| said by heathcpe :Now maybe they (Comcast in my case) should invest in buying adequate capacity linking these cable systems to the rest of the world. Every night I deal with high latency, reduced bandwidth, sluggish VPN connections, and choppy VoIP phone conversations. I'm talking latency at about 150 to 200 ms on most nights, and reaching 650ms on really bad nights. » Rankin, MS Nightly Network Congestion Status That was SusComs fault not Comcast's. Unfortunately, Comcast is left to fix the mess down there, which will take months. | |
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join:2002-03-19 Brandon, MS
| Re: Doesn't Matter Though Maybe so, but they need to get it worked out before they start bleeding customers, some have already switched to DSL. I am contemplating waiting at least till 1/07 before I change providers. One thing that entered my mind that could be behind this is, Suscom throttled bittorrent traffic while Comcast does not. Now that the throttling has stopped the capacity cant handle the increase in bittorrent traffic.
I believe it only takes about a month to get a new circuit laid to increase capacity. | |
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join:2005-04-14 Philadelphia, PA | Well lets see there main provider is At&t with limited peering with other Cable isps they do need to upgrade the regional networks also. | |
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join:2000-08-10 Flushing, NY | plenty of capacity??? Plenty of capacity, then why does my internet crawls between 7 pm to 12am??? | |
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join:2000-10-06 Richboro, PA
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| Re: plenty of capacity??? said by htin11 :Plenty of capacity, then why does my internet crawls between 7 pm to 12am??? Because you share the same 38.8 Mbps DOCSIS channel with 500 people on your node. | |
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join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: plenty of capacity??? said by DaveNJ :the real reason... Comcast doesnt want to spend money on upgrading your node, because similar to the phone company on voice, there is no real motivation. Correct. And that's why this whole optimistic study is an utter BS. | |
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join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA | Far more profitable.... To just add another few dozen shopping channels. | |
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| This is entertaining Sometimes it's fun to read through cable bashing comments from people who do not know the first thing about how a cable system works, yet make suggestions about how it should be run. C'mon, guys keep it coming! I'm bored!  | |
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join:2002-11-06 Cedar Springs, MI | Re: This is entertaining I couldn't agree more...Everyone who has a cable modem and a television knows exactly what the MSO's should be doing and has every reason in the world they need 100MB two way pipes.... | |
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join:2001-02-20 Evergreen, CO | I no longer consider it entertaining.
The redundant rants have become so incredibly predictable and senseless, I can hardly stand to stop by DSLR nowadays.
Sad really, this used to be a great place to learn and converse. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| Re: This is entertaining Why dont we have a bunch of view points, and acronize them. And people only respond in the ackronims, if someone wants to post a new view point they can, but if a user posts a message about a viewpoint that has a ackronim, the post is deleted by mods. | |
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join:2006-01-07 Stow, MA
| as I have said before Cable does have much more capacity available. They can node split to reduce subs per node, without doing any major construction. In my system we can make it as low as 100-200 subs per node WITHOUT doing ANY construction and these systems were built 10-15 yrs ago. And that is not to mention reclaiming the analog spectrum 50-550mhz. DOCSIS3.0 I think uses 5-88mhz on the upstream, that is double what it is now. I know most amps can be upgraded just by swapping old diplex filters(5-42), the hybrids are usually swept from 5-750/870 by manufactures. Another way to increase is using higher QAM rates above 256QAM. Most MSO's have multiple fibers to a node, they could MUX/DEMUX on a single fiber. The possibility's are endless......
Why would cable invest capitol money, when some systems wont see competition for the next 10-20 years. I mean lets face it, for Verizon and ATT to get all their systems built is not going to be fast so why jump on DOCSIS3.0 now. By the time they are built, cable will have DOCSIS 5 or 6 and a slew of other new digital video technology.
I guess only time will tell! | |
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@il.us | Compressed too much. My only problem is that I currently don't like their compression. I'd like dumb/lossless compression but they seem to be using smar/lossly compression. I don't like paying for a service when I can tell that its active like that. | |
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