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For example India is $19/mo. But that price may be 15% of the average persons income level per month. While the US is $30/mo and that is 2% of the average US persons income level per month. Which price is REALLY lower?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Poor measuring system Very true.
There is a significant difference between Canada and US in that case.
Canada, in general on wireless 'can' be quite expensive with virtually all providers charging long distance on both incoming and outgoing calls. | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by en102:Canada, in general on wireless 'can' be quite expensive with virtually all providers charging long distance on both incoming and outgoing calls. I was wondering how that worked. My sister lives in Misssissauga, ON and told me not to call her cell phone from here in New York because she would be billed long distance. My jaw dropped when she told me that. I asked her if she was serious. You pay extra for an incoming LONG DISTANCE call?
Canada really needs some regulatory reform or better competition. The telecom cabal up there is really sticking it to Canadians.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Poor measuring system Yeah - its crazy on the incoming.
Outbound LD - calling any number outside of your local area (duh) - essentially non-existent outside of mom/pop wireless. What adds a unique twist to this is the 'where you are' piece. If I have Toronto number and I'm in Toronto - no LD. If I in Vancouver (with a Toronto number), and call Toronto - I pay LD. If I'm in Vancouver (with a Toronto number) and call a local Vancouver number, no LD.
Inbound LD - this is the painful part. In most countries in the world (besides US), it just costs MORE to call a mobile number. In Canada since LD is fixed, they charge the receiver (gack).
If you have a Toronto number, and someone in Toronto call you - no LD. If you're in Toronto (with a Toronto number), and someone outside of Toronto calls you - you pay LD. Here's an interesting twist... if you're in Vancouver, and someone from Toronto (or with a Toronto cell - eg family) calls, you won't pay LD to receive.
Its a twisted system. Fortunately, there's a few bolt ons with 'unlimited LD'. | |
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You only pay incoming long distance if you're outside your EAS. If you're in your EAS and receive a call from someone outside your EAS, you don't pay long distance. | |
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kudos:1 | There is zero truth to this.
It all has to do with calling areas. If you're outside of your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is long distance.
If you're inside your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is local.
If you're outside your local calling area, and you call the area that you're in (ie. Local calling area is Toronto, but you're in Vancouver calling Vancouver) it is local.
If you're outside your local calling area, but call another area than the one that you're currently in, it's long distance. | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by EveryName:If you're outside of your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is long distance. If you're inside your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is local. If you're outside your local calling area, and you call the area that you're in (ie. Local calling area is Toronto, but you're in Vancouver calling Vancouver) it is local. If you're outside your local calling area, but call another area than the one that you're currently in, it's long distance.
That sucks. My cell phone plan allows me to call to anywhere / from anywhere in the US & Canada with no long distance charges. NJ to Canada, no LD. Hawaii to NJ, no LD. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Poor measuring system said by Bobcat:said by EveryName:If you're outside of your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is long distance. If you're inside your local calling area and receive ANY call, it is local. If you're outside your local calling area, and you call the area that you're in (ie. Local calling area is Toronto, but you're in Vancouver calling Vancouver) it is local. If you're outside your local calling area, but call another area than the one that you're currently in, it's long distance. That sucks. My cell phone plan allows me to call to anywhere / from anywhere in the US & Canada with no long distance charges. NJ to Canada, no LD. Hawaii to NJ, no LD. Canada is very behind when it comes to the way long distance is billed. | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by EveryName:Canada is very behind when it comes to the way long distance is billed. I wonder if long distance charges are why my in-laws in Montreal keep mentioning Internet phone services like Skype and Google something-or-other.
I'm like, "I can call anywhere in the US and Canada at no extra charge using my cell phone, why would I bother with these other services?" | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system So if my phone number is from Toronto, but I'm in Vancouver, and my friend who lives in Vancouver calls me from across the street:
1. He gets to pay LD from Vancouver to Toronto, and
2. I get to pay LD from Toronto to Vancouver,
Even though the call was simply routed between a couple central offices and/or cell towers in downtown Vancouver.
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kudos:1 | Re: Poor measuring system said by Bobcat:So if my phone number is from Toronto, but I'm in Vancouver, and my friend who lives in Vancouver calls me from across the street: 1. He gets to pay LD from Vancouver to Toronto, and 2. I get to pay LD from Toronto to Vancouver, Even though the call was simply routed between a couple central offices and/or cell towers in downtown Vancouver. What a rip off! That's exactly it, however if you called your friend it would be local for both. | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by FBGuy:said by Romney2012:For example India is $19/mo. But that price may be 15% of the average persons income level per month. whats the population of india? What does that have to do with anything? | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by benc:said by FBGuy:said by Romney2012:For example India is $19/mo. But that price may be 15% of the average persons income level per month. whats the population of india? What does that have to do with anything? i forgot :P | |
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| Re: Poor measuring system said by RiverMerger:Let me remind you, It was so you could see what your residual income would be from all those internet connected phones;. Although I am much more impressed with the income from your other invention/. Thanks. I appreciate that you appreciate my invention while you use my invention. | |
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kudos:3 | You beat me to the punch line...
I've been adding this very sentiment into my posts over the past few days actually. We can always compare one aspect of our lives to other countries but no one ever bothers to take a moment to compare the "why" we compare as we do.
Many countries have different priorities over us. Hell, some of these other countries also don't obsess over music and television like we do in the U.S. - we also have some of the fattest people in the world.. we make more money than most other countries, we have more people owning bigger homes than other countries,... many of our people have 2, 3, or more televisions in the home..
We are NOT other countries.. and as you said, based on what people can afford.. I don't see why people in the US who get so much out of the internet would complain over paying $30 and $40 a month for their connections.
I loved the day that gas started to shoot up to $2.00 a gallon,.. there are countries paying $8 a liter for fuel.. where was the outrage from Americans then? where were all the BBR folks here who complain about how other countries have cheaper broadband prices and why were they not bitching that we SHOULD pay more for gas,.. because other countries pay more? I mean, if people want to be like India or south Korea on internet, why not be like them in ALL aspects in life..
You gotta take all or nothing.. this is why I say if these people want cheaper internet, then move to that country that offers it. They have different rates and prices on certain goods and services for certain reasons. One can't just "cherry pick" the good out of one's society and think that they can have it here, with every other cog that makes up the entire economic fabric. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Poor measuring system said by battleop:You make some valid points. The problem is that your method won't produce negative head lines. Thats 100% correct. As we all know, DSLR wont post articles without a "sky is falling", anti-US, anti-business, negative punchline. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Poor measuring system said by Skippy25:I'm pretty sure that DSLR is not requiring you to come here and read their headlines and participate in their discussions. Who said they were? | |
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| Or it could be they are sick of people wrapping themselves in the flag while sticking it to the people and citizens as hard as they can and undermining the very nation they claim to care about so much.
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Shepherd, TX | said by battleop:You make some valid points. The problem is that your method won't produce negative head lines. Oh But I can help with that..
Let's add a comparison of price per kilobit per second in each country, and we will start to see apples lined up with apples. As it is the survey is a waste of time, unless the reporters missed the boat entirely. | |
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Shepherd, TX | said by Romney2012:Instead of just quoting costs per month for a wireless service in each country, it would be much more meaningful if it was quoted as a percentage of monthly income for those countries. are you saying that providers charge as much as they can get away with? Point well taken | |
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New York, NY | Re: Poor measuring system said by ahedge:said by Romney2012:Instead of just quoting costs per month for a wireless service in each country, it would be much more meaningful if it was quoted as a percentage of monthly income for those countries. are you saying that providers charge as much as they can get away with? Point well taken ALL goods and services, with the exception of those subsidized by the government, are priced at market rate. Market rate is the price the public is willing to pay for said goods and services. That is the way 'the economy' has worked since man first learned to walk on two legs. If you and I will pay X for an item, then that item will be priced at X. What sense does it make for a retailer/service provider/company/etc to charge less??
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Shepherd, TX | Re: Poor measuring system said by wifi4milez:said by ahedge:said by Romney2012:Instead of just quoting costs per month for a wireless service in each country, it would be much more meaningful if it was quoted as a percentage of monthly income for those countries. are you saying that providers charge as much as they can get away with? Point well taken ALL goods and services, with the exception of those subsidized by the government, are priced at market rate. Market rate is the price the public is willing to pay for said goods and services. That is the way 'the economy' has worked since man first learned to walk on two legs. If you and I will pay X for an item, then that item will be priced at X. What sense does it make for a retailer/service provider/company/etc to charge less?? said by wifi4milez:said by ahedge:said by Romney2012:Instead of just quoting costs per month for a wireless service in each country, it would be much more meaningful if it was quoted as a percentage of monthly income for those countries. are you saying that providers charge as much as they can get away with? Point well taken ALL If you and I will pay X for an item, then that item will be priced at X. What sense does it make for a retailer/service provider/company/etc to charge less?? I am not willing to pay more but there is no competition worth of mention, so bear with me if I strip all your delusional "market rules" spiel | |
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New York, NY | Re: Poor measuring system said by ahedge:I am not willing to pay more but there is no competition worth of mention, so bear with me if I strip all your delusional "market rules" spiel No one is forcing you to buy wireless service. If you disagree with the price or product being offered, then go without it. | |
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Since that doesn't happen, fair market pricing doesn't happen, either. It's a failed theory just as communism was a failed theory.
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Milwaukee, WI | Re: Poor measuring system said by oktiri:not really. Germany has a higher GDP/capita than the US. Not according to this:
»www.cia.gov/library/publications···nk=37#gm
US - $46,000 Rank 11th
Germany - $34,100 Rank 37
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Breaking them up into 2 companies each would create a much more efficient allocation of market resources and healthy competition.
The fact is there is such an enormous economy of scale to be had in the US that prices here should be significantly lower than in European countries. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 4G Even Worse As long as you have to put towers in Windstream territory, bandwidth is gonna be expensive  | |
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kudos:3 | Okay... it's that time again..
WHAT is "FAIR".. and WHY would YOUR version of FAIR, be FAIR?
Like ThrowDems said.. consider the income generated by people, and then look at the price of internet.
One only has to go back to 1997 when the internet was $24 a month for dial-up, for one computer, and most had a 2nd phone line, and thought it was "incredible"... and never complained. People DID complain about $150.00 AOL bills, however, but not the $24 access.
Now you have an average $30.00 bill, BROADBAND, and every device in the home connected, and there's outrage?
Also.. why would AT&T and Verizon need to be broken up, BASED on what YOU are saying here now? AT&T was broken up due to the lack of competition back int he 80's... well.. we now have multiple carriers and sources of phone, internet and video, to which the markets can handle.. as much as I'd like to join in and bash AT&T and Verizon (two companies I can't stand) on face value, I can't see why you think THEY need to be broken up.
Also, while you compare the US to European countries... we're not exactly European countries... you have a VERY good example of what I'm talking about here in the US when you look at AT&T and Verizon vs. Qwest telephone.
The EU countries are also MUCH smaller and easier to operate in a more consolidated land mass than the U.S....
Again, people LOVE to compare apples and oranges and cherry pick the best and just PLOP that down right in the middle of the U.S. economy structure... it DOES NOT work! | |
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Just another day in the unregulated wireless market in Canada.
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| Re: Who's surprised ?! said by iansltx:So Mobilicity and Wind aren't shaking things up? Nope. Their prices are more or less the same as the big duopoly. The difference is that instead of having 100,000 employees 99% of them doing jack shit other then creating costs to lower potential profit margin down to 10% or so.
Wind on the otherhand is taking the huge profit margin and is putting it into infrastructure. They will eventually have good coverage and will be competitors. Until then Bell can pretty much ignore them.
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| We're better than that... The numbers in that survey are old.
You can get unlimited voice, text and web for $45 (Straight Talk) if you don't mind not using a smartphone. If you want a smartphone, Virgin Mobile has what you want for $60.
Of course, if you break unlimited data out into its own line item, the $30 figure is correct for Verizon. AT&T doesn't offer unlimited anymore. Sprint's unlimited data plan is $20-$30 depending on how you look at it (it's $20 more than Voice + Messaging, $30 more than voice alone but you get unlimited Any Mobile). T-Mobile is similar to Sprint if you're getting a smartphone; unlimited voice, messaging and data is $30 more than unlimited voice alone. Throw in CricKet and things get interesting...if you compare their unlimited Android plan to their other plans it's about $20 more than the carrier's base plan, and adds more than just web...
For PAYG data OTOH you have to try pretty hard to get $10.24 per MB these days. Many carriers do data by the day (Boost, T-Mobile, Verizon) or the month. Otherwise, you're looking at $1.20 to $1.50 per MB. Or, if you know where to look, 10-29 cents per MB.
Also, I'm not sure where they get their India per-MB number from. Seems awfully low; that's 40¢ per GB, compared with a per-GB cost of $10 on US mobile broadband these days (overages on AT&T and the new Verizon MiFi plan). | |
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$7 a month with prorate of 120 minutes is a ripoff. based on the retail price for minutes and an incoming phone number the rate should be 5 cents per minute or less... except it's much higher on average | |
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kudos:3 | Re: ripoff Hrmmm.. now you're going on pre-paid? ... the people and the market have decided that what we have today works for us.
Pre-paid customers wanted no commitment. So for that, you pay a higher price. You want the bargain, commit to the company.. reduce the marketing cost and cost to have your business and you'll get a better rate. But, if you want to be johnny come lately and give them nothing to predict and budget on, in a competitive
market, well, that's what you get.
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they have a 1Mb wireless connection for $25 a month.
Cheap? Geez, that's some expensive pricing for just a 1 Mbps internet connection! 
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kudos:1 | Re: Wow.. said by Coke:People are seriously arguing "it's ok to rip us off because we can afford it"? No, In can/us (  ), the employees for the wireless company cost more, so therefore the service is going to cost more (hence why call centers are being shipped off the continent). Never mind the massive difference in population density. | |
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| Re: Pricing is off said by keason:Most of the rest of the world charges the caller for inbound calls at extremely high pricing - $0.15-$0.20 /min. It's unreasonable not to include this in the charges. In addition, most of the Euro zone charges LD for calls even within the EU. Add roaming charges whenever you cross a border too. Even worse, most Canadian carriers charge roaming whenever you leave your home city, plus long distance for any calls The study is right that India is the cheapest. they also charge different rates for landlines vs mobile, vs calls to OTHER mobile networks.
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| Network sizes Wonder what network size plays into it. The countries with the cheapest rates also tend to have smaller networks to support. Sweden's population is heavily concentrated around its cities, for example, and they have a nationally subsidized fiber infrastructure. Their networks span geographically smaller areas.
American networks have to span vast spanses of geography with low population densities and extremely low ROI.
There are numerous factors which play into wireless pricing.
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| | US & Canada in One Breath? Hmm! I just cancelled my three year Rogers contract for Canada. I was paying CN$65 a month for 100 minutes a month, free incoming in my home area (Windsor/Detroit), caller-id, voicemail, and A-List (nationwide) for five numbers. I didn't have to leave Southwest Ontario to hit roaming (while still on the network).
In the US, you could get unlimited nationwide voice and text for that (and possibly data if you are a smart shopper). Roaming in Canada is where the US was in 1999. On my US iPhone, I'm paying a little over $120 a month for international unlimited data (iPhone international) and 1000 minutes (with A-List, nights and weekend, etc). Voice over 3g calls work in most places in the world for free.
India has great bucket of minute plans, but you have the same roaming problems you do in Canada, the same in Russia,Mexico, and China. The US is one of the few truly large countries not to charge domestic roaming. (Canada has a few nationwide roaming packages, but they are premium packages. I presume other countries also have such plans, but they are the exception, not the rule).
Saudi Arabia, Oz, and Greenland all have no roaming. I think we can safely exclude Greenland because of its small population.
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Valencia, CA | Re: US & Canada in One Breath? Hmm! Rogers (Robbers) and Bellus are mucho expensive.
Probably cheaper in Canada to use HPSA+ and Skype than the cell itself. | |
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In the US, it used to be like this. When I got my first mobile in Michigan in the 1990s, when I drove from Detroit to Brighton (apx. 50 miles), I hit roaming. It hasnt bee like that in years, but that is how it started. | |
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A) 5 megabit - they give us max of 4 megabit ( BCE dsl wholesale and they cant figure out that there are 8 bits to the byte instead they think there are ten ROFL go ahead phone a bce support person and ask them how many bits to the byte....BE READY FOR A SURPRISE)
B) your throttled to 25Kbytes/sec for 10hrs of day 41.6% of day you actually have 200kilobit speed
thus the avg overall speed in a day and of the BROADBAND account is 2.4megabit and were paying after taxes 60$
so its about 25$ a megabit
thats how you weight throttles now once BCE gets the capping onto whole sale that 25$ per megabit will shooooooot through the roof tooo.....
when you consider the above to be unlimited at those rates now your done using your net basically in 1.5 days so take (1.5/30 ----what percent you can use now versus before the cap or 5%) and then ( 100%/5%= the number you can say it now costs per megabit)multiply by the above rate of 25$ per megabit.....500$ a megabit.....BOY aren't caps a great value.....
OR it would cost me 500$ in dryloops and phone lines to get what i had before the cap just to get there crudey throttled account.
it also means they can be a lazy good for nothing company while the population increases for the next 50 or so years as canada's population increases roughly only two percent a year.
It will however mean that the cost to repair will get more and more expensive as fewer and fewer places make the OLD hardware to fix and keep this antiquated hunk a junk going....
remember in high school when you had to do averages and weights of things and mediums? the above takes into consideration that BCE dsl for wholesellers is not 5 megabit and at best is 4 megabit ( i have had at best 4[500kbytes/sec])
and its part of the scam to tell people its ten bits to the byte not 8....i wish id have recorded that piece a fraud.....
then the throttle speed of 200kilobits
and its time weighted into a day
then what happens after a cap you get zero?
thus the cost after the bce cap is soo great its not a vaul to have interent any more.
from 75$ to BCE to zero
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 mgbaker
join:2000-05-14
Charlotte, NC | Flawed, flawed and flawed Did I mention this article and the assumptions are flawed?
Come on, Karl. The bashing is getting a bit overdone and so transparent. There are so many places where products and services are priced based on what the general population can afford. Since you must know this, you've just taken the opprotunity for a quick cheap shot. | |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | too many standards the problem is too many standards, cdma, gsm, iden, etc. Its harder for the customer because they have to buy new equipement if they change carriers. LTE should be mandated as the new standard. | |
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