Research Firm Pokes Holes In U.S. Broadband Map Speed, Coverage Over-Stated by Carrier Contributed Data Back in February the government released our first ever broadband map (available here). Our readers by and large were unimpressed, noting the map didn't compare price, and often reported non-existent competitors and unavailable speeds in many markets. Many of these shortcomings are due to carriers, who have fought for the last decade to keep price comparison and deployment data out of the hands of consumers. A new analysis of the map by ID Insight notes that while the map is a good start, it has serious problems. ID Insight compared the map to their own own collected data, pulled from major ISPs and federal, state and local governments. Like many companies, ID Insight feels like they could have done a better map at a fraction of the $300 million the government spent. The group looks specifically at Arizona, and like many users noticed, highlights how the government's broadband map is frequently wrong when it says an area is wired for service: We selected an address where NTIA reports coverage and Scout does not. The address is on East County 11 Street in Wellton, AZ. The Census Block Group number is 040270112001117. In the NTIA data, Qwest reports that service is available. In Scout, we see dozens of transactions in the block group, none of which indicate the availability of broadband. When we go to the Qwest website and submit this address, Qwest responded that they do not provide service. This analysis underscores the importance of the need for ongoing verification of carrier contributed data. You think? Pages 11 and 12 of the study take a look at speed, and note that the national broadband map's speed estimates are significantly higher than what's actually offered. Insight ID's data highlights significantly more sub 5 Mbps areas across Arizona than were reported by carriers. Despite these findings, ID Insight is rather polite about the fact that we spent $300 million on a broadband map that isn't very useful: "The initial version of the National Broadband Map from the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) this past February is a great first step of where our country is with respect to broadband infrastructure," says Elliott. "At the same time, we all understand that it is a work-in-progress and we need to continue to improve our understanding of where broadband is and is not. Continuing to improve the map allows us as an industry to make better and more informed decisions about broadband infrastructure, including both wireline and wireless." While many insist the map is "better than nothing," that's not true if the data it provides isn't accurate. A national broadband map that shows more competitors than it should certainly doesn't help the sector's biggest problem: too many monopoly or duopoly markets.
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| Ethics Apparently morality and good ethics are long gone in the industry. With the lack of accurate information for the general public, lobbyists controlling the company(and oh so much more), and a large amount of corruption in this supposed "balanced" government, things like this may seem minor, but when you add it up it all adds up to a poorly represented country.
Be honest, sheesh. I know, I know -- it's a lot to ask for -- but one day, companies may (eventually) actually be able to provide accurate, infallible information to their customers without biting the bullet of having to worry..
Monopolistic companies are not welcome in my opinion -- Why can't a local company somehow climb up the food chain to provide honest, good service and inspire others to do the same without being demeaned?
Ahhhh, if only things were my way.. | |
|  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI Reviews:
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| Re: Ethics said by LightS:Ahhhh, if only things were my way.. Do some research. Put together a business plan. Go to your local SBA and get a loan. Start your own ISP. Offer symmertrical 1gg connections for $30/mo, and let companies sell services over your lines. Make things YOUR way.
People are quick to criticize, but never quick do do anything about it other than complain. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Ethics I chewed out Connected Nation when the beta map was released. Over a year of requesting, begging, pleading, digging and nearly bribing companies to bring broadband to my middle-mile area, I'm painfully familiar with who covers us and who doesn't. In a word, *nobody* does, so when it showed us covered by Frontier DSL I nearly hit the ceiling.
After a bit of cooling off, I started emailing and got hold of a great tech with CN. He was able to open a few back doors with Frontier and other carriers and gave a little more clout to my feeble efforts with ISPs. CN acknowledged the map has problems, so I used the "let's fix it" approach and urged them to make the corrections.
A local guy is putting in wimax and the antenna that covers my house should be going live "any day now." If he finishes first he gets my money. If Frontier pulls their DSL (and the DSLAM doesn't get stolen again!) and they're done first, they do.
I did something. I couldn't pull cable and don't know the first thing about microwave technology, but I can write letters, send emails and make phone calls. It's a start. | |
|  |  |  |  syslockPremium join:2007-02-03 Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Ethics That's great your getting something going out there.
Comcast won't wire up the area and DSL is non existent out there as well. | |
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| I will fully admit though -- I do not know nearly enough to run and manage an ISP effectively and efficiently. This is why I'm currently in school -- To learn, so one day I can hopefully get things to run my way. Until then, learn learn learn & work work work. | |
|  |  |  | | said by baineschile:said by LightS:Ahhhh, if only things were my way.. Do some research. Put together a business plan. Go to your local SBA and get a loan. Start your own ISP. Offer symmertrical 1gg connections for $30/mo, and let companies sell services over your lines. Make things YOUR way. People are quick to criticize, but never quick do do anything about it other than complain. The way you're criticizing others for not "doing anything"?
Yeah okay buddy. The virtual impossibility of competing with an infrastructure monopoly has been covered and rehashed a million times on this site. It's not economically feasible for anyone not named Google. | |
|  |  |  | | Except I will admit - I do not know nearly enough yet to startup an isp. I do not have the managerial capacity yet to run it efficiently while also being scalable and versatile. Im learning, and planning on it in the fairly close future. | |
|  |  |  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium join:2005-07-01 Atlanta, GA | said by baineschile:People are quick to criticize, but never quick do do anything about it other than complain. What's your excuse? I'm glad you never complain about anything. If your car breaks down, do you just go design and build your own? Don't like the government? Form your own country! That's the ticket, right? | |
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| Re: Ethics said by fuziwuzi:said by baineschile:People are quick to criticize, but never quick do do anything about it other than complain. What's your excuse? I'm glad you never complain about anything. If your car breaks down, do you just go design and build your own? Don't like the government? Form your own country! That's the ticket, right? My other favorite: "Don't have a job even after eight second interviews and you're down to one month of savings? Start your own business! Because the profits start rolling in right away!" | |
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 |  woody7Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA | remember "$$$$$$" talks all else is bull$it. This is nothing more than a crappy pr stunt. talk about saving money, it is ok to waste it on Corporatate bull$hit map data, but not on reasonable medical, etc. Where is Eric Cantor on this waste???? -- BlooMe | |
|  |  | | others have said it so i will repeat it welcome to the united corporate states of amerika | |
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| Also - Many ISP's own location engineers are inept. I just tried to get service for a location in Venice FL.
Verizon's website says FiOS isn't available. I call Verizon to double check; they confirm - no FiOS.
Comcast website says they provide service. I call Comcast to place the order and the sales rep tells me service isn't within a mile of my location.
I ask about the discrepancy and she explains that if one address in that zip is serviceable, the site marks the whole zip as serviceable.
I've know an ex-Comcast installer and he makes a call for me. A sales supervisor comes out and we find a Comcast service point 50 ft from the property.
But while we're hunting around I discover a Verizon ONT on a neighbor's building and later on the FiOS below ground vault (box, whatever) on our lot (that Verizon said was unserviceable).
Maybe one reason ISP's don't want to divulge service areas is that it would reveal that they are largely clueless about where their own networks are.
NV -- Any Goal that is Driven by Animosity, is Empowered through Deceit. | |
|  |  | | Re: Also - Many ISP's own location engineers are inept. They don't even have the predominant carrier for my area, as well as listing Verizon which doesn't have service here. Wow its a bad database. | |
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| Surprise! We knew it.... ... was in error where the truth is concerned.
They have a political interest in overstating penetration, speeds, coverage and especially competition because if the true situation was known it would lend weight to the argument that the USA needs more competition, regulation and to allow alternatives (like community fiber) which is something none of these companies want.
So they have the motive to make sure the data they provide could be summarized as "optimistic" at best and "fraudulent" at worst. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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|  WhatNowPremium join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC | AskSam They did the askSam project that have netgear routers in the home. Where is that data. Is it included. I can not speak for at&t dsl but the Uverse availability should be 90% correct at the street level but maybe not at the single address.
I know the feeling at&t skipped our neighborhood of 150 homes but serves the developments on each side. We do have TWC. Every company knows who what address they have service or have had working service. What is so hard. | |
|  plkLil' Duffer Burger BarnPremium join:2002-04-20 Ogden, IA | several rural address I know cant get it I see several address in Rural Iowa the map claims to have service and it does NOT. Two of these address I have checked for people since Nov 2010. They really need to make a way to make corrections. This was reported by Iowa Telecom I assume. One of the addresses I went to a gov web site and listed it as WANTED but NOT AVAILABLE.
To fix their red wagon........ make USF for broadband only.....and based off this reporting. Watch them cry | |
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