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Researchers Aim To Reduce Copyright Infringement False Positives
by Karl Bode Thursday 11-Mar-2010 tags: bandwidth · Op/Ed · cable · Comcast · RoadRunner Cable · Cox HSI
According to Slashdot, Cox, Time Warner Cable and Comcast have created a joint venture called PolyCipher. PolyCipher in turn is funding research into a project called BitStalker, which according to the project explanation (pdf) will help copyright holders more effectively identify BitTorrent users trading copyrighted files. The goal is to reduce the number of false positives that pop up (about 11% currently) during efforts to identify pirates on P2P networks. Says the study:

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We develop an active probing framework called BitStalker that identifies active peers and collects concrete forensic evidence that they were involved in sharing a particular file. We evaluate the effectiveness of this approach through a measurement study with real, large torrents consisting of over 186,000 peers. We find that the current investigative methods produce at least 11% false positives, while we show that false positives are rare with our active approach.

According to the researchers, the system could potentially monitor up to 20,000 different peers over a period of five minutes using somewhere between 14.4 and 50.8KB/s of bandwidth. It could also work cheaply -- the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. A little more on how they can reduce false positives:

A successful TCP probe indicates that the peer is listening on the correct port. However, an effective counter-strategy could be to register arbitrary IP addresses with ports that are opened (such as web servers). The subsequent handshake probe is more conclusive, as it indicates that the BitTorrent protocol is running on the correct port and also identifies the content being shared by a SHA1 hash. The bitfield probe provides stronger evidence still, since it describes all pieces that the peer has downloaded, which implies active sharing. Finally, requesting and subsequently receiving a block of the file provides the strongest form of concrete evidence for file sharing.

Some ISPs are more willing to become the entertainment industry's content nannies than others. Cox for instance was the first large U.S. ISP to begin voluntarily booting users from their network should they violate copyrights, though Cox tells Broadband Reports only a few users have been kicked. Reducing false positives (like this Qwest using grandmother) is a huge first step if ISPs want to proceed down the road of disconnecting users for copyright infringement (aka "three strikes" or "graduated response").

With companies like Comcast poised to merge with NBC Universal -- that seems like an inevitable outcome. By investing in this technology, ISPs could be looking to limit their legal liability for falsely accusing users. But false positives are only a small part of the issues raised when ISPs begin kicking users off of the network for piracy. Keep in mind not all ISPs and users agree that terminating a user's broadband lifeline is a fair punishment for downloading a handful of LOST episodes, or that ISPs should be propping up struggling entertainment industry business models.

But that aside, there's questions surrounding who tracks users across ISPs, how to treat multi-user homes, or whether small ISPs can afford the cost of such systems. There's still limited transparency into these processes (Qwest for instance absolutely refused to talk to us about any specifics behind their user termination program), no independent oversight, and no recourse for the falsely accused. Meanwhile studies have show that many pirates are also significant buyers of online content, so by kicking them offline -- both ISPs and the entertainment industry are losing potential customers.

Update: Comcast denies to Broadband Reports that they're currently investing in this technology, and claims the Slashdot story is incorrect. According to Comcast, while the cable companies did previously fund PolyCipher, PolyCipher no longer really even exists as an entity -- and this latest research project is not tied to the organization.

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One Step Backwards

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.

Other than that, this will lead to frivlous lawsuits that last years and cost the taxpayer money. The solution is for the entertainment industry to adapt; and distribute material easily, and through a cheaper mean.
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Re: One Step Backwards

said by baineschile:

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.
Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.

I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets.

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Re: One Step Backwards

said by jus10:

said by baineschile:

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.
Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.

I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet.
This method, as described, does not monitor your traffic but only monitors a session that it establishes with you to verify what you are doing. IOW: It does not look at your in-flight traffic but creates its own traffic to you to show what occurred during THAT session. This is the equivalent of the difference between tapping your phone line to listen in on your conversations and placing a call to your phone and recording that specific conversion [of which you are one of the two parties].
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Re: One Step Backwards

So, they are rattling the door of your house then, or just shinning s flashlight in to see if your a criminal?

Just curious, if the RIAA, or the MPAA wants to check my home, can they just walk through and look?

So, they will scan everyone's computer, looking for theft? Curious, the data they send, and the data I send back from my Comcast connection, do I pay for it? Does it count against my 250 Gig limit?
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Re: One Step Backwards

said by rapidrick:

So, they are rattling the door of your house then, or just shinning s flashlight in to see if your a criminal?

Just curious, if the RIAA, or the MPAA wants to check my home, can they just walk through and look?

So, they will scan everyone's computer, looking for theft? Curious, the data they send, and the data I send back from my Comcast connection, do I pay for it? Does it count against my 250 Gig limit?
The can't walk into your house, yet.
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said by jus10:

said by baineschile:

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.
Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.

I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets.
IPsec won't help. They will be a peer on the network and also use IPsec. You won't know it is them connecting.

Chasmn

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Step backwords for a company who now produces content and shows it to now try and protect it! Yes as a consumer it stinks to pay for it but if you dont want to pay... than dont watch it. The answer shouldnt be to go against the law but instead to correct the process.

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said by baineschile:

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.

Hmm.

Comcast and Time Warner? Nahhhh they have no relation to any entertainment companies.

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IMO, They should never try to justify policing the internet. Just give me a connection. Nothing more. I don't want people watching what I do.

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I've had my fair share.

I've had several false positives for both movies and software from Comcast. Before you ask, WPA2 is enabled on my router with a not so easy password. All of my neighbors are old, and I live in the boonies.

The disappointing thing is that I get notices for chick flicks. If I'm going to get blamed for something, it should be a little more manly. JFC.

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Re: I've had my fair share.

Not so easy to you may be easy for a cracking program, whose dictionaries are always growing. To be sure, you might check your DHCP leases page for any foreign Mac addresses. I actually never got a warning and used to do very heavy filesharing, but had quit a few years ago. As an active participant in the open source movement, I just no longer see a need. It used to be so that I knew what was actually good and wasn't wasting so much money on crap, however, that is a non-issue with free software. It's also a non-issue with many of the great music artists that make their music available(at least for listening) online for free. As to movies, they rot your brain. I'd rather be gaming. I watch very little TV, but free online streaming sites mostly satisfy that need. I have basic cable for when the family is over.
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Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

This may just be these companies getting the tools in place in case the Congress OK's ACTA and makes them be content cops. Developing the tools and testing them may take some time. I am sure they want to be ready if Congress forces their hand.

Also, if they successfully develop these tools they could then sell it as a service to smaller ISPs, Universities, libraries, etc who don't have the money to develop them on their own and may be forced to play content cop by new laws.

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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

the fact they are doing this when they are not required to forces my hand into not being a customer. I will settle for >6mbps dsl when I really really want 10+mbps cable.

and if AT&T even thinks about doing this I will suffer at the hand of my cellular carrier's 3g network(~1mbps).

goddamn I feel like internet freedom was so 1990's. wtf happened?
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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

said by John McClane:

goddamn I feel like internet freedom was so 1990's. wtf happened?
Malware; botnets; organized crime; foreign government spying; cyberwarfare; massive databases by advertisers; etc. The internet has grown up - it is no longer academics and research. It is now "just business" with all the pluses and minuses that implies.

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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

i love how bittorrent was nowhere in there.

make sense as bittorrent is not a problem.
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Internet freedom... What about a business model. If company xyz spends money on making a program why would it be fair for everyone to get it for free. Everyone wants ad free content for free... HMMMM DOESNT SOUND LIKE THAT WOULD WORK DOES IT

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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

i pay for my internet. i don't steal it. no reason for them to snoop on me.
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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

said by John McClane:

i pay for my internet. i don't steal it. no reason for them to snoop on me.
haha so they next invent the voltage RSA cracker and hten walk to your home put it on and hten watch all tha encrypted RSA torrent traffic.

YEA gonna be fun isnt it ....

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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

Actually the voltage method took 104 hours with a cluster of 81 Pentium 4s to crack 1024 bit RSA and a tweaked power supply in the server.

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Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops?

thats not right either.

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DO NOT WANT



image is relevant.
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Re: DO NOT WANT

said by John McClane:



image is relevant.
Well....

It could also work cheaply -- the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. A little more on how they can reduce false positives:
Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago.
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Re: DO NOT WANT

said by PapaMidnight:

said by John McClane:



image is relevant.
Well....

It could also work cheaply -- the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. A little more on how they can reduce false positives:
Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago.
more funny as a test i just went and downloaded something.
for a not up thing its working pretty good despite it being a public tracker which i never really use.

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Re: DO NOT WANT

Actually you're probably using one or more of the other trackers included in the torrent, more than likely openbittorrent.com and probably DHT if you have it enabled. The TPB's tracker shows up as offline if you look at the trackers tab in uTorrent.
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Re: DO NOT WANT

said by annoy :

Actually you're probably using one or more of the other trackers included in the torrent, more than likely openbittorrent.com and probably DHT if you have it enabled. The TPB's tracker shows up as offline if you look at the trackers tab in uTorrent.
no it was a TPB tracker.....you can see in the torrent client.

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More information here

A bit more in-depth over at
»torrentfreak.com/comcast-funds-b···-100610/

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Re: More information here

Even more here: »www.multichannel.com/blog/BIT_RA···cker.php
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Under Suspicion

A blacklist of suspected P2P users can't be far behind.

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Re: Under Suspicion

what, like a no-fly list? You betcha.

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The thin edge of the wedge

If they will do this for copyright holders, what's next? Filter my email just in case? Block search engines that don't kick back a little vig?

I torrented some legal software the other day, how would delivery of that be affected? Blocked, damaged, or just slow?

I do have an expectation of at least the privacy of my telephone conversations, land line or cell. Not that I actually get it, but I still expect it.
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Re: The thin edge of the wedge

This tool appears to be poised for active monitoring, not filtering or blocking anything?

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Re: The thin edge of the wedge

said by openbox9:

This tool appears to be poised for active monitoring, not filtering or blocking anything?
So they're just opening my "mail" and have a look, then send it on.

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That would presume it will work as intended... well, as they say it's intended.

Yep... your monthly billing dollars at work--spying on you because it makes them feel better... about themselves.
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said by DataDoc:

If they will do this for copyright holders, what's next? Filter my email just in case? Block search engines that don't kick back a little vig?

I torrented some legal software the other day, how would delivery of that be affected? Blocked, damaged, or just slow?

I do have an expectation of at least the privacy of my telephone conversations, land line or cell. Not that I actually get it, but I still expect it.
na next they'll put IP into all the devices and things you buy and own ...cars and everything so the cost of everything goes UP UP AND AWAY ...the american WAAAAY.
ending nafta then you'll put COPYRIGHTS for workrs in factories and then ship cars to me i have to pay before i can drive.

YEA can you say hack the planet ANY DAMN LOUDER

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Hmmm

I'm not quite sure the ISP's have the legal standing to go trolling through data packets that are not their own.

How is this different than the US Post Office opening every piece of mail that they think could, maybe, woulda, shoulda, been involved in a crime and then turning those people over to the police?

Other than the fact technology makes it easy to do but not necessarily legal so they just go ahead?
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Re: Hmmm

said by TwoCpus4me:

I'm not quite sure the ISP's have the legal standing to go trolling through data packets that are not their own.

How is this different than the US Post Office opening every piece of mail that they think could, maybe, woulda, shoulda, been involved in a crime and then turning those people over to the police?

Other than the fact technology makes it easy to do but not necessarily legal so they just go ahead?
I don't think that's the way this works. It wouldn't be like the US Post Office opening every mail. It would be more like the US Post Office mailing you a request asking you for something illegal, and you responding and mailing them back with that material.

They're connecting to the swarm just like any other legitimate user.

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Re: Hmmm

said by watice:

They're connecting to the swarm just like any other legitimate user.
Hmmmm.... well if they are participating in the swarm, they are also feeding you their copyrighted material. This sounds like entrapment to me, or at least tacit permission to download their stuff. If they are not sending material, they are tagged as leechers and banned by the tracker.

If the copyright holder sends you the file, aren't they abrogating any rights to it?

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Re: Hmmm

said by TamaraB:

said by watice:

They're connecting to the swarm just like any other legitimate user.
Hmmmm.... well if they are participating in the swarm, they are also feeding you their copyrighted material. This sounds like entrapment to me, or at least tacit permission to download their stuff. If they are not sending material, they are tagged as leechers and banned by the tracker.

If the copyright holder sends you the file, aren't they abrogating any rights to it?

Bob
Could you prove you got part of the file from them?
Would be funny if the ISP ended up reporting on each other!

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Re: Hmmm

said by AstroBoy:

Could you prove you got part of the file from them?
Would be funny if the ISP ended up reporting on each other!
Of course. Any decent firewall can log connections. My Norton firewall is set up to "allow" connections to my p2p port, and LOG the connection.

It would be difficult to claim copyright violation, if the copyright holder, or one of it's paid goons, is the source of the file no?

I can't see how the argument "I know you stole the file because I gave it to you" can have any validity in such a situation.

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the thing is though you are using their network. C
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move to canada

ill set u up with a room
just be clean, pay your rent and use teksavvy
thats all thats asked

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Re: move to canada

how about u just setup a vpn for me and I pay for that?
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Re: move to canada

said by John McClane:

how about u just setup a vpn for me and I pay for that?
well thats one way to do it in a way then you would be "moving to canada"

and ill add the easiest solution to reduce flase positives is to reduce copyright terms to 14 or less years.
YUP
WHAT does 50 year copyright do for you citizens ( US what does 95 years plus say another 70 do for you)

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Is that even legal?

Isn't looking "inside" the private communications between individuals illegal? It would be like the telephone company listening in on your phone conversations.

See 6 replies to this post

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Nothing Earth Shattering Here.

This is going to flag and catch the regular home users
that don't have a clue.

This is not going to do anything for the huge file traders
that are using TOR or a Firewall that's configured properly.

Read page 4 and 5 of the pdf...

>the active probing approach is not entirely immune
from the possibility of false positive identification.
For example, peers using an anonymizing network such as
Tor [10] may produce false positives, since the last Tor router
on the client’s path of Tor routers (called a Tor exit router)
would be implicated in the file sharing.

>False negative identification occurs when a
peer who is actively sharing a file cannot be identified as a file
sharer. Both the active probing technique and the na¨ıve ping
method suffer from the potential for false negatives. The ping
method may miss peers who are behind a firewall that blocks
incoming ICMP traffic.

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$12.40 a month?

quote:
the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month.
It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long.
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Re: $12.40 a month?

said by cdru:

quote:
the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month.
It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long.
Maybe they are hiring people from China. :P
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Wait

So this means big brother is watching Torrents now? Why can't they just charge a piracy tax like 50 cents every month that goes to the media companies or all involved, and be done with it? Why are they trying so hard to kill a great technology?
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Re: Wait

said by crese24:

So this means big brother is watching Torrents now? Why can't they just charge a piracy tax like 50 cents every month that goes to the media companies or all involved, and be done with it? Why are they trying so hard to kill a great technology?
look what happened in Canada the CRIA collects 70 million a month and ISNT PAYING ARTISTS
thus a 6 billion lawsuit has ocurred
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A work around

Think of a low cost Windows XP/Vista VPS with unmetered bandwidth in a "favorable jurisdiction"...
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The greening (destruction) of the Internet.

The Internet is supposed to be FREE, yet thanks to the government limiting ISP competition to a few scumbags-said scumbags can do whatever they want-and we have no choice but to go along with it-or have no Internet at all.

The time has come for the people to tell the govt. to go F**K themselves!

I WANT unfettered Internet for a fair price-not the limited, slow, expensive filtered crap we get today. Most of the 'big boys' don't even offer Usenet any more! I pay a small fortune for Internet-and I shouldn't have to pay ANOTHER 12 bucks for something that I used to get for free! How is this not another price increase?

If the govt. would allow access to the 'last mile' to the home for a fair wholesale price (note that I'm not saying that competitors should get it for free-but they should be able to get it for a price that allows them to still offer service and make a couple of bucks in the process), then the resulting competition would drive prices down and speeds/quality up.

Cable Internet and DSL are monopolies today-and even worse they are UNREGULATED ones!

Fact is that the USA and Canada pays the highest prices for the worst service of ANY OTHER first world country!

My friends in Switzerland get REAL 8000/2000 (these are the MEASURED speeds!) DSL with static IP for about 28 US dollars a month. No caps and no blocks. No limiting of bandwidth or services like Usenet.

I pay 37 dollars for 6000/768 that actually measures 4000/650 on speed tests. If I wanted cable I'd pay 60 dollars a a month for
10,000/1000 Roadrunner cable-over twice as much as they pay for a bit more download and half the upload, plus dynamic IP-and no Usenet.

CableISPsupp

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Accuracy of reporting agencies.

My question is , just how accurate are these companies that report the actual infringements of their copyrighted material.
As an employee of a major ISP, it is my job to read the notices and track down the IP addresses from the DHCP tables.
No one tells us how they come up with their information. We are to take it as fact , no questions asked.
By the law, we must do something otherwise we would have to hand over our customers information to these companies if we did nothing.
I really doubt these companies are truly checking in to anything properly. They just send a thousand notifications a day and we
Are unable to handle that load with the manpower that we have.
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Re: Accuracy of reporting agencies.

said by CableISPsupp :

My question is , just how accurate are these companies that report the actual infringements of their copyrighted material.
As an employee of a major ISP, it is my job to read the notices and track down the IP addresses from the DHCP tables.
No one tells us how they come up with their information. We are to take it as fact , no questions asked.
By the law, we must do something otherwise we would have to hand over our customers information to these companies if we did nothing.
I really doubt these companies are truly checking in to anything properly. They just send a thousand notifications a day and we
Are unable to handle that load with the manpower that we have.
were well past the rule of law with these people
ACTA is proof they dont even care about democracy.
SO i shall ignore it as will everyone else. AND we'll make enough noise were still doing things that you wont dare cause we just might vote the party in in Canada YOUR going to dread.....

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Legal BiTorrent

Not everything downloaded using BitTorrent is illegal. Further more a few years ago, there was a paid service (like iTunes) which used BitTorrent as a company standard (don't recall the name).

So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this.
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what about places ?

like steam client and also blizzard downloader that uses bt to transfer data across teh netz.. thats how these 2 send patches to users and games are d/l through their respective brands
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Re: Legal BiTorrent

said by OldschoolDSL:

Not everything downloaded using BitTorrent is illegal. Further more a few years ago, there was a paid service (like iTunes) which used BitTorrent as a company standard (don't recall the name).

So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this.
ill add its perfectly legal in Canada to download

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This ought to speak for itself

»www.multichannel.com/blog/BIT_RA···cker.php
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JohnNWPVNJMH
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Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents

There is a great little startup company from NY called PeerBlock... I run this when sharing OpenSUSE and it is amazing at all the weird connections that are blocked such as the DOD Information Center and many others.

If anyone will help counter this garbage, it will be small groups like that of PeerBlock.

If you never heard of PeerBlock, check them out .. the software is free:

»www.peerblock.com/
chronoss2009
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Re: Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents

said by JohnNWPVNJMH:

There is a great little startup company from NY called PeerBlock... I run this when sharing OpenSUSE and it is amazing at all the weird connections that are blocked such as the DOD Information Center and many others.

If anyone will help counter this garbage, it will be small groups like that of PeerBlock.

If you never heard of PeerBlock, check them out .. the software is free:

»www.peerblock.com/
and once they know htey are on htose lists they get a home user buddy to do it in a range where loads a p2pers are. AKA you cant ban everyone. WITH RSA cracked , and your torrent clients using it....i wonder...

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Re: Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents

For now, it does the trick.. however you are right. But the good thing is this, idiots at Comcrap looking to make big brother software will always be around and on the other hand there will always be a few smart guys that come up with a counter - measure. After all, it is job security, ha ha.

I read that possible solutions to things like this will be using tunneled connections to servers running things like Tor, md5 spoofers (bad for other reasons) to soar the rate of false positives and so on. The wheels are always turning.

The main thing is this, Internet providers shouldn't be allowed to own Network Media - News agencies and so on as there is a major conflict of interest between them. Enough of this crap where Internet providers become the owners of what you read, what you watch and how, but Americans rather bitch about water bogging a couple of scumbags bent on killing Americans when they should be focused on things that truly affect our way of life.
chronoss2009
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Re: Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents

said by JohnNWPVNJMH:

For now, it does the trick.. however you are right. But the good thing is this, idiots at Comcrap looking to make big brother software will always be around and on the other hand there will always be a few smart guys that come up with a counter - measure. After all, it is job security, ha ha.

I read that possible solutions to things like this will be using tunneled connections to servers running things like Tor, md5 spoofers (bad for other reasons) to soar the rate of false positives and so on. The wheels are always turning.

The main thing is this, Internet providers shouldn't be allowed to own Network Media - News agencies and so on as there is a major conflict of interest between them. Enough of this crap where Internet providers become the owners of what you read, what you watch and how, but Americans rather bitch about water bogging a couple of scumbags bent on killing Americans when they should be focused on things that truly affect our way of life.
and teksavvy is not going into IPTV , anyone think this is good, it means media influence

the end maybe. rocky said it will be about choice
as its legal to download in canada i wonder if hed mind if i invited all his users to a bittorrent tv tracker.....
kinda would kill iptv wouldn't it

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Yeah that grew out of PeerGuardian, same interface, but improved.

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Re: Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents

said by ReformCRTC:

Yeah that grew out of PeerGuardian, same interface, but improved.
I read that on their site and remember PeerGuardian from years ago. It definitely works well, I blocked the entire country of China - works great.

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So THAT explains it

I recently had to use bt because one night last week there were 3 things on at the same time and dvr only has 2 tuners. a site i normally get 2MB/s on was capped down to 25kbps!
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Re: So THAT explains it

There are many legit purposes to use torrents, no question about that. I have no problem downloading a movie that I already paid for as to save time in transferring to our server so we can pull it up on demand via XBOX or now Media Manager and I have downloaded old hard to get stuff on random impulse such as Bionic Woman episodes.

The article here is correct though, torrent users are likely to spend much more on DVD, Blu and so forth.

Hollywood has a flawed business model in they think they can control how people use media and they want to profit - over and over again for work already paid for. It is the only business that expects to be paid for a job already done - over and over. Imagine if I charged a customer each year a royalty fee for the work I performed and was paid for a year ago? It is a joke.

I think a law should be made in that movies and music as well as old software, educational works and so forth after 10 years be madepublic domain. The future is freedom of information - on demand research an so forth. I understand the need to make money and pay those that make these things but after 10 years of profit - the money has been made. It's time to adjust change things in the 21st century now - or like a crappy sci-fi flick we will find a future were one big "media" corporation controls everything - your communications, what you read or watch on the news, how you watch and what content is available for watching and if you wavier they will call the Internet police and put you in a corporate owned prison (wait, the US already has those ..... )

It's time for Hollywood and their extortion to end - OMG - actors may actually have to work for their money instead of living lives as if they are worth the ridiculous money they are paid and time to prohibit Internet providers from owning content providers and news agencies, etc.
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Re: So THAT explains it

They aren't the only ones, the music industry tried this for a long time. They STILL seem to think it's good business practice to sue your fans for punitive damages...

I think the biggest problem is they have tremendous capital invested in an outdated delivery mechanism (be it dvd, cd, vhs, or whatever else has been replaced) and don't want to invest more in new tech to keep pace, so they sue to prevent it. It's like trying to stop the sun from setting (actually more like trying to un-invent the atomic bomb) but they still try it.

Some are learning - look what happened with online music distribution. Someone finally took the initiative and it exploded. Sure, music piracy still happens, but if you provide a reasonably priced and unambiguously legal means of obtaining something via the newest available technology, the positive PR offsets the losses from outdated technology, if they play it right.

Fighting piracy always made me think how silly it would be if a newspaper went around town policing offices and suing anyone who read a paper purchased by someone else. Granted, newspapers are dying off (another outdated distribution model) but would they be any better if they were suing people for 'sharing'? At least people don't think of the local paper with disdain the way many view the RIAA, and some are seeing some success with online models
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Re: So THAT explains it

said by entitygm:

They aren't the only ones, the music industry tried this for a long time. They STILL seem to think it's good business practice to sue your fans for punitive damages...

I think the biggest problem is they have tremendous capital invested in an outdated delivery mechanism (be it dvd, cd, vhs, or whatever else has been replaced) and don't want to invest more in new tech to keep pace, so they sue to prevent it. It's like trying to stop the sun from setting (actually more like trying to un-invent the atomic bomb) but they still try it.

Some are learning - look what happened with online music distribution. Someone finally took the initiative and it exploded. Sure, music piracy still happens, but if you provide a reasonably priced and unambiguously legal means of obtaining something via the newest available technology, the positive PR offsets the losses from outdated technology, if they play it right.

Fighting piracy always made me think how silly it would be if a newspaper went around town policing offices and suing anyone who read a paper purchased by someone else. Granted, newspapers are dying off (another outdated distribution model) but would they be any better if they were suing people for 'sharing'? At least people don't think of the local paper with disdain the way many view the RIAA, and some are seeing some success with online models
how much doe sit cost:
stomping machine tha per captia means cdrs and dvdrs cost literally same price and are at rate of 20 cents each

OK packaging again mass produced
so lets add another 10 cents
NOW
put into a case another 15 cents
and the finished product before shipping is what
45-50 cents
and they charge what for a music CDR in 2005 of brand new crudey hip hop?
29.95
you can hire drivers and trucks to move stuff to destinations quite cheap too.
and that can be outsourced so its a as needed thing.

don't lie its about control , scarcity and PURE unadulterated sicko insane greed.

NO other industry can see such a HUGE return on what you put in ...read above. AS i said before you make it scare , over controlled and over priced , people will be nature circumvent your control.

THIS is why as bad as bush was he didn't just declare himself the god emperor ...America is heading to that final last step before either they change for good there system or its going to collapse.

We in the rest of the world are NOT HERE to PROP up the united states of america and your taxation and economic terrorism on our nations is going to end.

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