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Ripe FCC Data: Our Broadband Is Still Pretty Slow
Only 44% of subscribers meet FCC's new 4/1 Mbps benchmark

As we've long noted, the FCC has made broadband policy decisions based on flawed and incomplete data for years. Part of the 1996 Telecom Act required that the agency release quarterly reports on the status of broadband deployment. Unfortunately for consumers, that data has always been essentially useless -- with the FCC declaring any zip code that has just one served broadband customer in it to be "wired" for service. This rose-colored glasses mentality is (very) slowly changing.

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The FCC this week released their latest report (pdf) on the state of the broadband union, though they're still working with fouteen-month-old data.

According to the FCC, as of June 30 of 2009, there were 71 million residential landline broadband connections, and only 44% of them met the agency's goal for the standard definition of broadband: 4 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream.

This report is of particular note because it's astonishingly the first time the FCC has required that ISPs provide details on what speed tiers consumers subscribe to. The FCC's data shows that 5.4% of consumers subscribed to 200-700kbps service, 14.1% subscribe to 768kbps-1.5 Mbps service, and 13.7% subscribe to 1.5-3 Mbps. On the faster end of the scale, 31% subscribe to 6-10 Mbps service, and 17% subscribe to speeds between 10 and 25 Mbps.

Other data of note from the study includes the fact that as of June 2009 there were 4 million fiber to the home connections, 31 million DSL connections, and 41 million cable broadband connections. Wireless Internet subscriptions jumped 40% in the first six months of 2009 to 35 million subscribers, though only 45% of those connections met the government wireless stimulus baseline of 768Kbps downstream and 200Kbps upstream.

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praetoralpha
join:2005-08-06
Pittsburgh, PA

praetoralpha

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More bad data

This data is bad too. Subscribed speeds aren't actual speeds.

FFH5
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Tavistock NJ

FFH5

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Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

If you look at Table 20(pgs 41,42) in the report( »www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releas ··· 94A1.pdf ), you will be amazed at how many ISPs offer service in all the states. This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO.

Datx
Huh? What?
join:2001-01-21
Austin, TX

Datx

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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

said by FFH5:

If you look at Table 20(pgs 41,42) in the report( »www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releas ··· 94A1.pdf ), you will be amazed at how many ISPs offer service in all the states. This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO.
Can you tell me how many ISP providers are available for each market?

Karl Bode
News Guy
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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

Table 20 (actually on pages 45 & 46) does. TK Junkmail/MIllIlITER/whatever name he's using this week clearly knows many of these carriers are tiny, and is trolling of course. A scattered bunch of barely relevant ISPs with a handful of subscribers does absolutely nothing to disprove the fact that most users have only one or two choices.

dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29
Mason, OH

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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

Hey I must be one of the lucky ones. I get three choices for broadband. Bad, Bad, and worse.

Datx
Huh? What?
join:2001-01-21
Austin, TX

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And here I thought he was thinking that we're back in the good ole day of Dialup ISPs... Why, for the price a long distance phone call, you literally have hundreds... if not thousands of ISPs at the touch of your finger tips.

Jim Kirk
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Ban him already.
nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

said by Jim Kirk:

Ban him already.
no, he's fun to snark on.
nasadude

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said by Karl Bode:

.. TK Junkmail/MIllIlITER/whatever name he's using this week ....
busted!

JasonOD
@comcast.net

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Market totals will show a lot less competition due to municipal and regional agreements.

Also don't let this get lost within the FCC's numbers- many people purposely subscribe to lower speed tiers because it meets their needs (speeds/cost). Not because they can't get anything better.
axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

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Are those "rose colored glasses" you are wearing there Sara? I can call you Sara right?

powerhog
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Owasso, OK

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said by FFH5:

This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO.
Perhaps if you refuse to look any further that the "number" of ISPs. But, upon closer inspection, it just might not.

For example, in my area there is service from AT&T, COX and a local WISP. I guess one could try to lump in satellite offerings but they really aren't comparable.

Seems like at least 3 choices but when you look at the service offerings and see that the WISP charges $65 for a 1Mbps/512Kbps connection it becomes pretty clear this is NOT really a competitive offering compared to AT&T and Cox. No, the WISP is there to serve those of us who have no other options because we live outside the zone of AT&T & Cox service.

So, the duopoly still exists even though the table shows more than 2 options.

vpoko
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Lol, sometimes I think this guy's actually an anti-industry troll playing a pro-industry troll.

FFH5
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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

said by vpoko:

Lol, sometimes I think this guy's actually an anti-industry troll playing a pro-industry troll.
Troll is a term thrown way too often around here. It is often applied to anyone who doesn't agree with the prevailing beliefs espoused by special interest groups(aka consumer advocates). Anyone poking holes in those beliefs is then attacked as a troll.

Camaro
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Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations

Um..... »secure.wikimedia.org/wik ··· ernet%29.

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said by FFH5:

If you look at Table 20(pgs 41,42) in the report( »www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releas ··· 94A1.pdf ), you will be amazed at how many ISPs offer service in all the states. This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO.
These posts are getting ridiculous.

I qualify for DSL according to AT&T, but I can't get it in actuality. That sums up about 50% of that.
nasadude
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so you really think Iowa has 51 fiber providers?

In fact, it looks like Iowa is really kicking @ss in the broadband space - most fiber providers, most ADSL providers by a long shot. They seem to beat every other state in most categories.

I thought Iowa was rural and all. You apparently forgot to mention that deficiencies in rural broadband access are a myth.

Duramax08
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San Antonio, TX

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about time

Yes people in my zip code gets DSL and cable. We are about the only street that doesnt get shit. That zip code rule has been screwing us over in the first place. Hope they change it since that zip code rule has BS written all over it. YAY FOR DEAD ZONES!

And before people go saying "why do you live in the middle of nowhere?", I dont. Less then 1 mile from city limits and we have about 40 residents on our street. Guess that what happens when no city claims you.
Duramax08

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Re: about time

And to top it off the NCTA says TWC services my address. Not my area, My address. Getting screwed left and right down here in texas....
hottboiinnc4
ME
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Cleveland, OH

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you get Clearwire and or wire yourself. Ever hear of starting a wISP? 50 residents that want service easily be able to pay for a Fract. t3.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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Re: about time

Im about done with clear. Getting one bar on and off the entire day sucks. But I do got my handy jailbroken iphone. The NAT is strict but its doing the job for now.
hottboiinnc4
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Cleveland, OH

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Re: about time

maybe move the modem around. put it next to the window? etc.

are you using the new system or the old system? and as far as the signal you're prolly in a low signal area.

Duramax08
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Re: about time

I got both. Getting the gemtek version with a bigger antenna installed. Hope that works out.

And all over the property its one to none bars. Been there done that.
hottboiinnc4
ME
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Cleveland, OH

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Re: about time

sounds like you're out of the range of the base-station. it's not their fault you can't get service. It's that you signed up and kept a service that does not work at your location.

Duramax08
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Re: about time

No its their fault for their salesmen saying "oh yeah we are still getting more towers up, dont worry your area should be fully covered in a month or two".

Dont tell me its my fault.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: about time

yah it is your fault. You believed the salesman when you could have looked to see how far you are away from a tower. The sales person's job is to sell you the product and get it out. They're told to tell you anything to get you to buy the product. You must not have been aware of that.

but again; your fault for buying it. and as far as more towers, should and are are two different things in retail/sales. next time check the companies website to see if you're covered.

Duramax08
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Re: about time

said by hottboiinnc4:

yah it is your fault. You believed the salesman when you could have looked to see how far you are away from a tower. The sales person's job is to sell you the product and get it out. They're told to tell you anything to get you to buy the product. You must not have been aware of that.

but again; your fault for buying it. and as far as more towers, should and are are two different things in retail/sales. next time check the companies website to see if you're covered.
Yep its completly my fault. Congratulations, You have defeated me at some stupid argument you have stirred up your self. Your mom must be proud of you. You have won one internets. Care to continue this pointless argument? Go ahead, make my day.
Expand your moderator at work

GNH
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Canyon Lake, TX

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Koncise Karl

Typical... Takes the government 60+ pages to explain what Karl did with one simple phrase; "Our Broadband Is Still Pretty Slow" ~ I like Karl's explanation.
Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL

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Broadband Swiss Cheese!

Here in Lake County Florida, there are more holes in Broadband Availability than a round of imported Swiss Cheese. If one thinks they can get mobile wireless broadband they must carefully check for availability. There are many areas here where wireless carriers do not have coverage. For example Sprint Wireless does not have coverage for voice or data where I live unless your stand on the roof. Residents in this subdivision are lucky enough to have four choices. Comcast Cable, CenturyLink DSL which is limited to 5Mbps, AT&T and Verizon Wireless. Not far from here some residents only choice is Wireless Mobile or Satellite Broadband Service.

ogamawab
join:2009-03-26
Hinckley, MN

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minnesota

in Minnesota in lot of the area we don't have broadband. Nor do we have a lot of wireless options.. maybe we should all team up and start are owe company : )
dapersico
join:2009-07-15
Leonard, MI

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Broadband...

Broadband? What's broadband? Not to be found here!

IowaMan
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join:2008-08-21
Grinnell, IA

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Iowa

Dang I had no idea that we had 40 Cable companies and 127 phone companies in Iowa
and all I will have to choose from is CenteryHell and Mediascam

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XknightHawkX
join:2003-02-13
East Peoria, IL

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Um where are the just move remarks?

I just read all the post before mine and I noticed that we are missing move comments. You know the users that think if you say your not served or under served then move. Nothing is stopping you from moving.

Just because they got that good of a job or that kind of money where they can just move to anywhere they want when they want doesn't mean everyone else can.

There is no competition. Never was and never will be.

DSL was considered fast when it first came out but it still rides copper just like Dial-up. Which case now DSL isn't that fast anymore. 1.5 is slow compared to what cable companies provide now.

The answer is if the ISP's don't want to provide service then they shouldn't have a word to say about a city broadband project.

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lighthouseJ
cheers
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Golden, CO

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notice

im glad someone notices
jfd15
join:2008-01-07
West Sacramento, CA

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none of their business

FCC's job is to regulate "the spectrum" - not the internet...i'm sure they are salivating over the potential of growing bureacracy but just say no to the FCC....their next step will be regulating what you can or can't say on the internet (no anti gov't opinions allowed)...
sonicmerlin
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Cleveland, OH

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Re: none of their business

said by jfd15:

FCC's job is to regulate "the spectrum" - not the internet...i'm sure they are salivating over the potential of growing bureacracy but just say no to the FCC....their next step will be regulating what you can or can't say on the internet (no anti gov't opinions allowed)...
Hopefully they regulate your ability to access the internet.
qworster
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Bryn Mawr, PA

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It's difficult to get 1 up with DSL

Most DSL is only 768K up maximum-and typical real world speeds run around 640 kbps. You need to go to ADSL 2 for uploads 1 mbps or higher-and that typically runs around 100 bucks a month (or more).

I used to live in AT&T land-and their 6/.768 DSL was around 20 dollars a month. AT&T also allowed me to access their hotspots for free. Verizon charges me more then that for HALF the download speed (3/.768) and no hotspots.

BUT...when you have an FCC encouraged/mandated monopoly on DSL (even the independents just re-sell Verizon DSL-and look at how Verizon recently screwed DSL Extreme by suddenly cutting them off from re-selling FiOS) you can charge what you want to and it's your way or the highway.

Thanks for NOTHING, FCC!
jb50
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Houston, TX

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Re: It's difficult to get 1 up with DSL

I live in the fourth largest city in the US, only blocks away from the Texan's Football stadium. These are my choices. Pay $450 per month for a T1 which still goes down twice a year for three days at a time, Comcast will sell me their fastest service but can only deliver 6/1, and I can get DSL from AT&T with speeds from the 90s. No WiMax, no Uverse and no FIOS. How pathetic is that?