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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations
If you look at Table 20(pgs 41,42) in the report( »www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily···94A1.pdf ), you will be amazed at how many ISPs offer service in all the states. This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO. | |
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| Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations Can you tell me how many ISP providers are available for each market? | |
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2 edits | Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations Table 20 (actually on pages 45 & 46) does. TK Junkmail/MIllIlITER/whatever name he's using this week clearly knows many of these carriers are tiny, and is trolling of course. A scattered bunch of barely relevant ISPs with a handful of subscribers does absolutely nothing to disprove the fact that most users have only one or two choices. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations Hey I must be one of the lucky ones. I get three choices for broadband. Bad, Bad, and worse. | |
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 |  |  |  DatxHuh? What? join:2001-01-21 Austin, TX | And here I thought he was thinking that we're back in the good ole day of Dialup ISPs... Why, for the price a long distance phone call, you literally have hundreds... if not thousands of ISPs at the touch of your finger tips. | |
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Also don't let this get lost within the FCC's numbers- many people purposely subscribe to lower speed tiers because it meets their needs (speeds/cost). Not because they can't get anything better. | |
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 |  powerhogStinkin' up the jointPremium join:2000-12-14 Owasso, OK | said by ThrowDemsOut:This sort of puts the duopoly charges to bed IMHO. Perhaps if you refuse to look any further that the "number" of ISPs. But, upon closer inspection, it just might not.
For example, in my area there is service from AT&T, COX and a local WISP. I guess one could try to lump in satellite offerings but they really aren't comparable.
Seems like at least 3 choices but when you look at the service offerings and see that the WISP charges $65 for a 1Mbps/512Kbps connection it becomes pretty clear this is NOT really a competitive offering compared to AT&T and Cox. No, the WISP is there to serve those of us who have no other options because we live outside the zone of AT&T & Cox service.
So, the duopoly still exists even though the table shows more than 2 options. | |
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 |  vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | Lol, sometimes I think this guy's actually an anti-industry troll playing a pro-industry troll. | |
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 |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 1 edit | Re: Table 20 in report disproves duopoly accusations said by vpoko:Lol, sometimes I think this guy's actually an anti-industry troll playing a pro-industry troll. Troll is a term thrown way too often around here. It is often applied to anyone who doesn't agree with the prevailing beliefs espoused by special interest groups(aka consumer advocates). Anyone poking holes in those beliefs is then attacked as a troll. | |
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I qualify for DSL according to AT&T, but I can't get it in actuality. That sums up about 50% of that. | |
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| so you really think Iowa has 51 fiber providers?
In fact, it looks like Iowa is really kicking @ss in the broadband space - most fiber providers, most ADSL providers by a long shot. They seem to beat every other state in most categories.
I thought Iowa was rural and all. You apparently forgot to mention that deficiencies in rural broadband access are a myth. | |
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 |  Duramax08Ya rly.Premium join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX | Re: about time And to top it off the NCTA says TWC services my address. Not my area, My address. Getting screwed left and right down here in texas.... | |
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are you using the new system or the old system? and as far as the signal you're prolly in a low signal area. | |
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And all over the property its one to none bars. Been there done that. | |
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Dont tell me its my fault. | |
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| Re: about time yah it is your fault. You believed the salesman when you could have looked to see how far you are away from a tower. The sales person's job is to sell you the product and get it out. They're told to tell you anything to get you to buy the product. You must not have been aware of that.
but again; your fault for buying it. and as far as more towers, should and are are two different things in retail/sales. next time check the companies website to see if you're covered. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! www.etsy.com/shop/snakx4u/ Organic, Kosher, Gluten Free, Vegan Human Baked Goods | |
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| Re: about time said by hottboiinnc:yah it is your fault. You believed the salesman when you could have looked to see how far you are away from a tower. The sales person's job is to sell you the product and get it out. They're told to tell you anything to get you to buy the product. You must not have been aware of that. but again; your fault for buying it. and as far as more towers, should and are are two different things in retail/sales. next time check the companies website to see if you're covered. Yep its completly my fault. Congratulations, You have defeated me at some stupid argument you have stirred up your self. Your mom must be proud of you. You have won one internets. Care to continue this pointless argument? Go ahead, make my day. -- In reviewing your account, I see that DSL Basic service should be available at your address. However, you are at the very edge of DSL availability. You must be within 15 Kft of our equipment in order to subscribe to DSL service. You are at 14.920 Kft. | |
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| Re: Iowa I am fortunate. I live in a rural area and for years only had dial-up. For a few years I have had AT&T Elite because I am close to a RT. I just got this at »www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
Download Speed: 5981 kbps (747.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 673 kbps (84.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
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| said by IowaMan:Dang I had no idea that we had 40 Cable companies and 127 phone companies in Iowa and all I will have to choose from is CenteryHell and Mediascam All i have is Comcast in NJ.
I emailed cablevision the other day asking if they're ever going to expand into my area because i'm tired of comcast and their crappy service which is capped to 250gb.
Cablevision replied: Thank you for your email and wanting to have Cablevision as your service provider but, all service areas are under rights of each provider. If Comcast owns the right to sell service in your town, we would not be able to.
This is the biggest problem in US that's holding us back. Exclusive broadband rights that give the company a total monopoly.
Until the FCC decides to take those off and de-regulate the industry (instead of giving them billions of dollars) , i don't see our broadband getting any better. -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. | |
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| Re: Iowa said by Alcohol:This is the biggest problem in US that's holding us back. Exclusive broadband rights that give the company a total monopoly. Lets not forget that these are/were primarily cable TV companies and the rights they talk about are for their cable TV service. Broadband actually came as an additional service and therefore are subject to the same limitations. Also there is the purely physical part. Their networks don't and will probable never overlap. | |
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 |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | said by Alcohol:I emailed cablevision the other day asking if they're ever going to expand into my area because i'm tired of comcast and their crappy service which is capped to 250gb. Cablevision replied: Thank you for your email and wanting to have Cablevision as your service provider but, all service areas are under rights of each provider. If Comcast owns the right to sell service in your town, we would not be able to. This is the biggest problem in US that's holding us back. Exclusive broadband rights that give the company a total monopoly. IF Cablevision actually said that and you didn't just hear them wrong, they are WRONG. There are NO exclusive deals anymore. That is against the law.
Now, Cablevision may mean that it isn't economical to overbuild an area. And that is just a fact of life. But exclusive deals don't exist. | |
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 | | Um where are the just move remarks? I just read all the post before mine and I noticed that we are missing move comments. You know the users that think if you say your not served or under served then move. Nothing is stopping you from moving.
Just because they got that good of a job or that kind of money where they can just move to anywhere they want when they want doesn't mean everyone else can.
There is no competition. Never was and never will be.
DSL was considered fast when it first came out but it still rides copper just like Dial-up. Which case now DSL isn't that fast anymore. 1.5 is slow compared to what cable companies provide now.
The answer is if the ISP's don't want to provide service then they shouldn't have a word to say about a city broadband project. | |
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