 | | What a joke.. Do they at least have a trully unlimitted tier like Videotron does ? Or are all their tiers limited somehow.. ?
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 ·Comcast
·Charter
| Business Reality I think this offering just reflects a reaction to how the broadband business needs to react to the top .01% of users that are sharing 7x24 100% bandwidth with (sometimes for-profit third party) P2P services.
If 99.99% of Rogers customer base uses xxG of traffic and a small minority shares a TB drive to the world, should they sit back and take a loss from this customer or put in a price structure which correlates to what they pay / Mb when used 100% of the time? | |
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| | Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: Business Reality I think it's a perfectly reasonable scheme, and the fact that they tell you about it up front is a breath of fresh air.
The only way I see trouble, is if you aren't notified when you are getting close to your cap, AND when you have gone over and are now being charged. Can you imagine getting a $300 internet bill? 90GBs should be plenty on a monthly basis. I do think the initial $99 price is a bit high. | |
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| | | | | Re: Business Reality They don't tell you everything up front. There is absolutley no mention ot BT throttling.
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: Business Reality Yes, but that's also no worse than any other ISP everywhere else. | |
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1 edit | yes More bandwidth towards bitorrent! | |
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 Thrudd
join:2004-06-21
Mississauga, ON | duh Everything is limited....
They are one of, if not THE most expensive slipshod providers out there.
They have cut back actual services while dropping cost increases on the subscriber base on an ongoaing basis.
They throttle, they block and do everything else under the sun you can think of that is shady, underhanded or just plain ignorant and mean and some you didn't or wouldn't think of. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: duh It sucks for their users, but at least they know what the limits are  | |
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: duh said by openbox9:It sucks for their users, but at least they know what the limits are My thoughts, exactly.
That cap sucks big fat raw...nevermind..
But at least you know where you stand.
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| |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | said by openbox9:It sucks for their users, but at least they know what the limits are Seeing as my ISP has inviso caps that are above 90GB(from what I have seen 200-300GB), it's still better than knowing that 90GB is a wall!
Either way, it wouldn't affect me! I use a whopping 35GB per month!
But what I *DO* download gets here fast!
As always, YMMV.
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| |  JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
 ·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | said by openbox9:It sucks for their users, but at least they know what the limits are An invisible limit with a one year suspension for exceeding it sucks. Talk about draconian! What sucks about Rogers? They only suspend you until the end of the billing cycle. And since the limit is disclosed, you can plan ahead and manage your usage.
Too bad all cable companies don't implement caps in such a reasonable straightforward way.
Of course I prefer a well-managed network that doesn't need to impose consumption limits. | |
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 intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Dear Canadians, I'm sorry. | |
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| bohn
join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON | Re: Dear Canadians, How's the weather down in Tulsa? It's bloody cold up here in dog sled land. An astute person like you sees it all. Most Canadians are daft and oblivious to the real facts. This company is not providing a service it's nothing but a total scam. Thank god we can still get dial up from America for about one third what it costs here in Canada. Oh i see that includes all the newsgroups. What a bonus! | |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | You see... ... the 18M service is not for heavy users. But, then I can't figure out who it's for. Hmmm... | |
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|  MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX | Re: You see... It's like having a car that can go 200 MPH but only allowing 90 miles of travel a month.
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| | | | Re: You see... More like renting a car and you get 200km free, then its $0.xx/km. At any rate, where I live, I can easily see students who share a house buying into this tier.
I don't think it would have killed them to offer 10GB more/month. It'd make for a nice round number.
Also, if I'm dropping near $100 / month, either let me use my own modem and pay a small onetime fee to a tech to ensure the signals are correct, or waive the rental.
I can only hope that over time, the other tiers will either a) drop in price as more and more speed tiers are released, or b) increase the maximum bandwidth for the older tiers . | |
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| | | | It is like owning a car that goes 200MPH, but only going 200MPH when you want/need it vs sharing it with strangers and having everyone run it at 200MHP | |
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 TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal
kudos:6 | Greedy loins... It's old news that Rogers suck... and for two reasons:
- Probably the most greedy telecommunication company in Canada
- I host Videotron
That is all  | |
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| Re: Greedy loins... said by TigerLord:It's old news that Rogers suck... and for two reasons: - Probably the most greedy telecommunication company in Canada - I host Videotron That is all Thank GOD they weren't allowed to by Videotron ! Too bad they bought Fido and turned it into the same crap as Rogers wireless.. i hate Robbers with a passion ! 
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 CabalPremium
join:2007-01-21
Austin, TX | Thanks, I'll stick with Comcast I wonder if all the people complaining that Comcast removed them because their abuse was degrading the performance of others realize that this is the alternative. Ugh, no thanks. | |
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| | greedy I wonder who will be stupid enough to pay for this BS.? | |
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| bohn
join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON | Re: greedy No one with a brain in their head which doesn't say a lot for the mentality of the average Canadian. | |
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 RideRedVista needs a popup blocker for VistaPremium
join:2005-06-18
USA | Welcome to cable... They aren't the first and certainly won't be the last. Despite the claims of liars like Brian Roberts cable networks can't supply these faster speeds without DL caps. Cable operators will either have to continue clamping down on usage, expand capacity at the local level or a combination of both.
But for the cable ISP's, placing these caps is more of a marketing problem (the limits being overblown by competitors like the "web hog" ads of a few years ago) than a user problem as only a minority of users reach those caps. | |
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kd6caeP2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Palmdale, CA Reviews:
 ·Vitelity VOIP
·AT&T U-Verse
| are caps actually enforced? I know someone in Canada who has both Rogers and Bell. He runs several internet radio stations which stream out of his connections 24/7. I'm not sure how many streams he has on Rogers and how many he's got on the bell connection, but needless to say, I'd guess he hits the cap and possibly goes over each month on the Rogers connection. Knowing this, as far as I know, he's never gotten kicked off the Rogers network or even so much as a warning letter for using too much bandwidth. this even though he's running internet streams 24 hours a day on the line, therefore his upstream is in use 100% of the time. I'm guessing the reason he can go over the cap and not be bothered about it, is that perhaps because he only makes connections to a couple of servers to stream his audio out, whereas p2p torrent users connect to dozens of computers, that may make the difference? Just guessing here though. | |
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| bohn
join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON | Re: are caps actually enforced? Bell caps high speed and ultra at 30 yes thirty gigabytes a month. Yes they enforce it by hitting you with a bill that would knock your eyeballs out of your eyeball sockets. Many lose their house and car. Few have the resources to fight it in court. Bell has crafty lawyers. A good part of the bell budget is spent on lawyers because the mainstay of the company is see what we can pull on the subscribers next and see if they can still win in court. | |
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 TOPDAWGPremium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | Sweet Now I can check email even faster. I mean really they block just about everything under the sun. I often wonder if rogers even wants you to use your internet.
I mean WTF am I going to do with this speed now? Sites only send you info so fast. | |
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| | | Re: Sweet i currently have dsl with no cap | |
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| | TOPDAWGPremium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | Re: Sweet Yeah I should have want to bell when rogers started this crap. Now if I go to bell I have to use that retarded 30GB cap.
I've no idea WTF they were thinking when they put such a low cap in for $50 a month that is a damn rip-off pretty much the net in Canada sucks now. God how I miss the US so much. | |
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| | | | | Re: Sweet Even pple on Bell contracts got the 30G cap. Nobody is safe from it.
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| | | | TOPDAWGPremium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
4 edits | Re: Sweet A few on here who had that said they stayed as unlimited.
It's funny Canada could boost back in the day who they were ahead of the US when it comes to the net now it's going behind.
Guess that is what happens when unless you live in the right area you got two picks for high speed internet. Rogers gives you a so called 100GB so they're saying we don't care if you use it all so just enforce the fucker and let the users do WTF they want with that 100GB.
What I want to know is why are they doing it being as you don't have many laws here for music and movies like in the US are they getting paid by the MPAA or RIAA or something?
I'd love to know who this speed is aimed out. Very few sites even ones where you have to pay to use very seldom give you speeds over 300KB. | |
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
·TekSavvy DSL
| said by adisor19:Even pple on Bell contracts got the 30G cap. Nobody is safe from it. Adi I'm still unlimited(so far)on bell and aint worried about it really.There are other providers who are unlimited(maybe not for cable but..). | |
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join:2004-07-12
Birmingham, AL | "Than" (yeah, 10gb less then extreme) | |
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 BagnonSnoogans
join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| Giving more in the wrong way. I have a cousin who works for Rogers and currently has the 18mbps in his home. It's fast but do we really need it? To me, this is nothing more then a way to gouge the heavy users. We all know that 6mpbs is more then enough. Besides, why would you want 18mbps with only 800kbps upload? Rogers and every other ISP needs to realise that we won't need more download bandwith. It's the upload we need now. Stop dropping the ball, Rogers. It's getting pretty flat.
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| | | Re: Giving more in the wrong way. said by Bagnon:It's fast but do we really need it? To me, this is nothing more then a way to gouge the heavy users. We all know that 6mpbs is more then enough. Speak for yourself, and only yourself.
Shall I bring up the fake bill gates quote about ram?
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 thender2Glamour ProfessionPremium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Rogers....has caps...throttle BitTorrent traffic Shortened the subject so it'd fit.
That's all I need to know. I don't care if it's 1000/1000, I don't care if it's 1 ms ping to anyplace in the world - that's all I need to know.
If we can up our bandwidth with some limitations, why bother even making progress? Why bother upgrading our network, when we can just raise the speed and throttle BT. Then if our competition raises their speeds, we'll raise ours even more and put an invisible cap in + send out abuse notices. Abuse notices'll cause customers to blame other customers instead of the weak network we use. Then the competition raises their speeds once more, so we do the same, but this time we add a 300 GB/month cap in and throttle bittorrent a bit more. Then when it's time to up the ante once more to get that number 18, let's put in a 100 gig cap and throttle BT more, and send out more abuse notice.
Keep going down this road and in five years we'll have 50/50 for everyone but it'll be limited to one or two gigs a month. Imagine if they offer IPTV, you'll get abuse notices when you keep the TV on as you fall asleep!
A 9000 wpc amp that won't drive a 3 ohm speaker, to me is useless, I'd rather have a 30 wpc one that will work with a 3 ohms speaker. A 550 watt rosewill PSU is useless, I'd much rather have a 350 one from enermax or fortron that delivers stable voltage under heavy load, that's rated to 50c. A subwoofer with a maximum output of 140 dB @ 60 hz @ 1 meter that can barely do 19 hz is useless.
You see where I'm going here? It's a numbers game, let's get the highest numbers so we appear to be the best. Unfortunately, we have the same(if not less) resources than the other guy, we just choose to cheat, which is why we can get the high numbers.
I'm sick of this nonsense. I don't expect full honesty, but this is ridiculous. Even if you upfront say you have a low cap and throttle BT, it's still nonsense to me. Don't offer ridiculous speeds like 18 mbps unless you have the network to deliver it in a way where I can use it more than I used my 3000/768 DSL connection. That DSL was able to run bittorrent for a week at a time, which allowed me to _upload_ 200 gigs a month(let's not even get into downloads).
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| bohn
join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON | Re: Rogers....has caps...throttle BitTorrent traffic I hope most of these leeching Canadians read this. You see Canadians are the biggest leeches in the world of P2P. I see you upload 200 gigabytes in a good month. Well for a Canadian a good month is when they upload 200 kilobytes while using the P2P programs that month. These Canadians should be bounced and blacklisted from all P2P programs. They are a disgrace to the world of file sharing. | |
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| | thender2Glamour ProfessionPremium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Re: Rogers....has caps...throttle BitTorrent traffic I don't upload 200 gigs anymore, I upload 500-600. FIOS is a godsend.
I also don't use P2P anymore. P2P is for chumps.
On an FTP, on usenet, one high bandwidth source gets a file and it's available for everyone. On P2P, everyone has to chime in and reupload the file, wasting bandwidth, and it's still tons slower.
Just ask people like twizlar  , canadians can fileshare better than most - just because it isn't public doesn't mean it isn't there.
Just because you partake in illegal activities and don't mind doing so publically where any tom mediasentry and joe baytsp can download off of you doesn't mean others should have to as well. It's not selfish to leech, it's selfish to expect others to join you in yelling "hey world, I'm infringing on copyrights - here's my IP address, here's the proof, come and sue me.."
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|  twizlarI dont think so.Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
kudos:3 | P2P is definitely for chumps. There are LOTS of other ways to download "material" legal and otherwise. Anyone that openly shares ILLEGAL content is a fool. On top of the legal issues, why would I sit and saturate my upload so someone else can download.
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 MarkAWBarry WhitePremium
join:2001-08-27
Canada
kudos:16 | Thank God for other Cable ISP's like Cogeco. All i can say is thank god Rogers is not the only cable ISP in Canada. This is why i always move into a Cogeco ISP area. | |
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