 raye Premium join:2000-08-14 Orange, CA | 2 Mbps upload? Are you kidding me? Why bother with this tier it is useless IMO | |
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 |  |  raye Premium join:2000-08-14 Orange, CA | Re: 2 Mbps upload? then they should advertise this as DOCSIS 3.0
I get 2 Mbps+ upload with DOCSIS 2.0 | |
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join:2008-02-06 San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| OMG i laughed so hard when i lol saw that.
Just letting you guys know the over head to have 50 mbit is nearly 2-3 mbit upload, good luck with that lol. Worst Tier ever. -- My Anime Site - AnimeCrazy.net | |
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join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA 1 edit | 125GB cap? lol WEAK!!! Rogers really needs to get a wake up call. This is a waste of money. -- The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
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join:2003-10-21 Edmonton, AB
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. What's the point of having a 50mbps connection when it can only consume 125 gigs. Someone who wants that kind of speed is not your average joe, and will want to consume some serious bandwidth.
50mb is 6.25 megabyter a second. 375/minute. 22.5 gigs an hour. 540 gigs a day.
So if you ran flatout, you'd use your cap in 5.5 hours. I wish the CRTC would do some real regulating. IE if your going to advertise high speed, a client should be able to use it full out a certain percentage of the month. 5 or 10 percent maybe, a few days worth.
being able to hit the cap in 5.5 hours is not good. | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. Not to mention that Docsis 3.0 was suppose to eliminate the need for caps. That's like taking a 2 lane road with no shoulders and turning it into a 6 lane highway with full shoulders but still insisting the speed limit needs to be 30 MPH. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. said by BF69 :Not to mention that Docsis 3.0 was suppose to eliminate the need for caps. It was? | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. said by openbox9 :said by BF69 :Not to mention that Docsis 3.0 was suppose to eliminate the need for caps. It was? yep. ISPs have said 2 things
A) caps are needed because of "congestion"
B) those moving to docsis 3.0 brag about how it will relieve congestion.
So I'm just using their own words. So you make a case for caps because of congestion and you now have docsis 3.0 you can't claim congestion when you've stated your advantage over your competition is that your network will be less congested because of docsis 3.0 | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. So, ISPs haven't said that DOCSIS 3 will eliminate caps, you're attempting to use deductive reasoning. | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. said by openbox9 :So, ISPs haven't said that DOCSIS 3 will eliminate caps, you're attempting to use deductive reasoning. I didn't say they said they would get rid of caps. But it is only comon sense that if the reason for caps is congestion and you claim congrestion will no longer be an issue because of docsis 3.0, then you no longer need caps. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. said by BF69 :B) those moving to docsis 3.0 brag about how it will relieve congestion. said by BF69 :if the reason for caps is congestion and you claim congrestion will no longer be an issue because of docsis 3.0, then you no longer need caps. "Relieve" congestion and "no longer an issue" are two very different things. | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. Well if you followed the CRTC proceedings yesterday, Cogeco which is 30% owned by Rogers admitted that there was no need for throttling 95% of the time. They were unable to provide a reason for doing so.
"Congestion" is FUD much like the dribble that you are spouting. It amounts to a cash grab. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. Where have I said anything about how much or how often Cogeco/Rogers experiences congestion? I don't have access to their network, nor do I know any of their network engineers. I responded to a post that claimed DOCSIS 3 is supposed to eliminate the need for caps. I asked the question of where the ISPs claimed as such. BTW, even though 5% congestion (how is that FUD?) is relatively small, it still highlights the need for some sort of management of the network. Maybe not as aggressive as some of the ISPs have been, but the need exists. | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2 | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. well if you took statistics 101 you'd quickly realize that the 5% represents a normal distibution. For the 5% that over use you'd have a corresponding 5% that probably haven't figured out how to plug in their modem. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. And how does that alleviate the 5% of time that congestion exists? | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. I'll say it again,
These are normal usage patterns. Any network that is experiencing congestion was not provisioned properly (i.e. did not invest at the rate of depreciation which is a tax deduction). So not only are they ripping on the customer they are ripping on the tax system. All of this was covered in the CRTC hearings.
You can find yourself a great summary on »www.michaelgeist.ca/
These are the statements of a world renowned traffic analyst (who claims that traffic is leveling off and not as exponential as once thought) and also directly from companies who are in the business. Please shut your FUD hole.
I'll elaborate a scenario that maybe you'll understand. In 1999, everyone thought that Nortel was going to take over the world looking at current growth patterns. Evidenced by the $120 stock price. Today the stock is 10cents. Why is that? because a current trend may not translate into tomorrow's trend. | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2 | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. That's what I thought.... are you still reading?
Clown. | |
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| said by openbox9 :So, ISPs haven't said that DOCSIS 3 will eliminate caps, you're attempting to use deductive reasoning. Better deductive reasoning, than no reasoning at all as the cable companies are prone to doing. | |
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join:2000-10-27 Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by openbox9 :So, ISPs haven't said that DOCSIS 3 will eliminate caps, you're attempting to use deductive reasoning. Listen, Board of Directors of any such Cable Co. No matter how much you try and push your 'plan', and how much you withold 'services', you'll never win in highly competitive markerts, why? Because your services are a thing of ancient times, and smart CONSUMERS - will always look for the best deal possible.
Please Cable Co's - keep electing your inept exec's who are inept to the strategery of internet growth. Keep allowing sites like this one, and others! To pick apart your, monopolistic feces.
I'd love to pay an 99.95 monthly fee with a 100gb cap. I mean hey, paying an extra 100 bucks a month for a cap, appeals to me so directly - you fucking inept cocks.
Cap my internet usage please in the USA! So i can save my family another useless 50 bucks a month. -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
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join:2006-10-19 Lindenhurst, NY | Well cablevision uses docsis 3 and has a 101/15 tier with no caps or throttling at all.
Their 38/5 boost package has no caps or throttling either. | |
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| said by BF69 :Not to mention that Docsis 3.0 was suppose to eliminate the need for caps. That's like taking a 2 lane road with no shoulders and turning it into a 6 lane highway with full shoulders but still insisting the speed limit needs to be 30 MPH. Access speeds and congestion are two completely different issues. Increase speeds without a proportional increase in trunking capacity and higher speeds make congestion more likely, not less. | |
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join:2008-06-03 Orangeville, ON | Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. there rogers goes again selling what the possibly can not offer? | |
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join:2003-11-15 Ottawa, ON | what's with Americans and their analogies? | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by zod5000 :What's the point of having a 50mbps connection when it can only consume 125 gigs. So you can do the things you want/need to do more efficiently. I've wasted too much time waiting for files to transfer. I'm not going to increase my file sizes, but if I could transfer them quicker, I'd be very happy. Bandwidth availability is not a direct link to increased usage. Personally, I wouldn't mind having 50 Mbps with a cap, but I'm not willing to pay that much money. | |
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join:2008-02-06 San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. At the moment when a new show comes out i view it in the normal SD quality. When faster internet comes you bet i'll be viewing the HD quality.
So the whole discussion of using the same file size is again based on the user, not YOU. Some users will use more, the faster speeds they get. Other's won't, that's life. -- My Anime Site - AnimeCrazy.net | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| Re: Whats the point of ultrafast internet with such small caps. said by pspcrazy :At the moment when a new show comes out i view it in the normal SD quality. When faster internet comes you bet i'll be viewing the HD quality. But by doing that you risk going over your cap since a HD stream uses more bandwidth. And that's the rub. Besides no HD streams are over 3 Mbps so you certainly don't need 50 Mbps to view them. What you have now probably suffices. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by pspcrazy :So the whole discussion of using the same file size is again based on the user, not YOU. Of course the claim is relative to the one making it. What bandwidth requirement difference are you looking at for SD versus HD for one of your shows? | |
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join:2000-10-27 Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| Why do you think Time Warner Cable Is waiting on releasing their Docsis 3.0 plans? They're trying so hardly to bring back their inept CBB, and they've always used Canadian Cable Service as a rallying cry for it.
I hope you moosers, don't sign up for this, and tell them to stick it. -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
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join:2000-10-27 Astoria, NY 1 edit | Re: Why do you think Time Warner Cable You mooseheads - you came to America and destroyed our Whitehouse, you moosers - don't allow this shitty consumption based billing to come to the states, fight back you fucks! -- The more you talk, the less you listen. | |
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@rogers.com | Re: Why do you think Time Warner Cable First mooseheads then moosers, common eh, which one is it! And yes, we did burn your whitehouse, at the time we considered it eliminating urban blight! | |
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join:2005-01-08 Etobicoke, ON | Caps HAHAHAH... Caps are here to stay... Too much extra money to be had! What happens with a 2 party system. | |
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join:2005-01-20 London, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: Caps said by koreyb :HAHAHAH... Caps are here to stay... Too much extra money to be had! What happens with a 2 party system Rogers / Bell Duopoly. 
Monthly caps reached within 1/4 of a day impressive. | |
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join:2005-05-29 Mississauga, ON | crap more crap what crap company ridicules, so glad that i cancel all my service whit rogers years ago -- I HATE ROGERS AND BELL | |
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  CO_Chris Premium join:2001-08-28 Broomfield, CO 1 edit | 125 GB a month .. Looks like comcast is good to us!! Where are the Anti Comcast fans? This cap is just plan nuts 125 GB a month,Hmmmm and Comcast gives us 250 a month TY CC you rock. | |
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join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH
| Re: 125 GB a month .. Looks like comcast is good to us!! Yeah seriously. Comcast has never justified their cap by producing internal data on network usage and cost to them of a user.
While the majority of users are OK with 250 gigs, the heavy users are the ones who ride the wave of innovation and force ISPs to expand their network. Cutting them out of the loop only serves to allow Comcast to delay network upgrades. | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| said by CO_Chris :Where are the Anti Comcast fans? This cap is is just plan nuts 125 GB a month,Hmmmm and Comcast gives us 250 a month TY CC you rock. yeah but that's 125 GB Canadian so that's like 600 GB American right?  | |
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join:2002-07-17 Toronto, ON
| Re: Combined router/cable modem not best way to go That's besides the point, back when people were using 1440 modems most people were content with browsing websites and checking e-mail. Later people migrated to 56k and slowly more complicated websites with say animated GIFS's started to appear with that upgrade.Fast forward to today where we have speeds of anywhere from 5+ Mbps - 50 Mbps depending on where you live and now people do things like MP3 downloading, Complicated flash based websites like Youtube, iTunes, Bittorrent, eMule, Webpages etc. So it's pretty obvious here that as speeds increase eventually user HABITS change with it | |
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join:2002-07-17 Toronto, ON | just the other day I actually saw a no-name N router for about 50$ | |
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join:2008-09-23 | 1 megabit unlimited = do more ,pay less FAIL | |
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join:2008-06-03 Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| A joke of a teir. Alright, I have a 1mb service. I have a 4 people using it most of the time, no throttles no caps. We also dont seem to affect one another. We stream, download and do what every we do and still dont effect one another.
How much download speed does one want, yeah I would love to have 5mb but bell would never upgrade my area with a remote. So I went with wightman, due to the fact they have their own equiment in bells CO.
Who ever needs this type of service on rogers and or buys it, I would say they are just kidding themselfs for getting it. Really, most websites transfer at 500kb, with the exception of a few of the larger ones like nvidia who do upto 1mb.
Hmmm what could you possibly use this service for? Other then bragging rights. Not bloody much, torrents are locked down, rogers has horrible latancy now for gaming.
The only time I would pay $150 dollars for an internet service, is if I got a 25/25 line with a 1000gb cap with no throttling. Also their must be no clause about running servers that are legal. Then I could do a lot of intersing things with that line, game servers and webpages.
In conclusion, this is the worst idea of a tier since the idea of a submarine with screen doors. | |
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| Re: A joke of a teir. said by cpsycho :How much download speed does one want, yeah I would love to have 5mb but bell would never upgrade my area with a remote. So I went with wightman, due to the fact they have their own equiment in bells CO. Who ever needs this type of service on rogers and or buys it, I would say they are just kidding themselfs for getting it. Really, most websites transfer at 500kb, with the exception of a few of the larger ones like nvidia who do upto 1mb. Hmmm what could you possibly use this service for? Other then bragging rights. Not bloody much, torrents are locked down, rogers has horrible latancy now for gaming. Yeah, the last thing we want is the progression of technology. We should probably have stopped modifying car engines back when they couldn't do over 50 as well. -- ~~Desu | |
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join:2008-06-03 Orangeville, ON | Re: A joke of a teir. Hey I am all for technology advancement, but why buy something you can never use?
I would love a 25/25 line. | |
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join:2009-02-26 canada
·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | Caps/upstream Keep in mind that the upstream and cap numbers are both based on unofficial information posted anonymously by someone claiming to be a Rogers employee, so they may not be accurate.
That post was correct about the 50M, the gateway, and the initial service area though. | |
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join:2009-02-04 | Giga switch included? It's nice to see they are releasing a N enabled modem, i think that's fantastic, but does it come with a giga switch? | |
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join:2003-03-23 Rochester, NY | 150GB Cap? One of our readers on Stop the Cap! called Rogers and was told it was more generous - a whopping 150GB monthly cap. Well, that makes all the difference, right?
At least we have some info about the upload which was a mystery. | |
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join:2009-03-17 Oshawa, ON | Why comment on things you dont know? There is also an overage cap of $25, so you get unlimited 50M plan for $175. And what do you need more than 2M upload for. I think if you are a content provider you probably have a buisness account anyways. | |
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join:2008-06-03 Orangeville, ON | Re: Why comment on things you dont know? running a game server on your own dime is not a business. :P | |
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join:2002-12-16 Montreal, QC
| It is still more green than.. As you might not be aware, we do have 50mbps connection in quebec, from videotron; however, it is even *worst*.. 100GB cap.. but slightly cheaper: »www.videotron.com/service/intern···imate-50
Have in mind that our "usual cap" for highspeed connection is only 30GB... yes.. it is really greener on the other side of the border... | |
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join:2008-09-23
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| HAHA 125 GB cap Ya know even tsi has a tier of 200GB thats what 34$ like stupid stupid people will get this OMG if you have that much money to through around please send me 150$ ill get you 10 megabit with a 400GB cap
HELL ill start a life long make 90$ profit per account of fyou. ARE you this stupid to bite into there insanity? | |
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join:2005-03-01 Marietta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Ouch... When I "lived" in Canada (really a long term visit), I lived in a small town just north of Oshawa, ON (and thus northeast of Toronto) called Port Perry. The local cable company there (Compton www.compton.net) has a 100 GB soft cap on all of their plans (we had the 10 MB/s plan.. it was great after they fixed the slow connection back to the USA) | |
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