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01:08PM Thursday Jul 30 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: business · bandwidth · rumor · AT&T U-Verse
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As it stands, the fastest tier AT&T offers is the company's "Max" 18Mbps/1.5Mbps U-Verse tier, which costs $65 a month as part of a TV bundle. We're now seeing rumblings in our forums that the carrier may unveil a $75, 24Mbps downstream 2Mbps upstream tier in the middle of August. AT&T wouldn't comment on the rumor, only telling us "We've got no specific plans to share at this time." Of course, that's what they said when we leaked news of their 18Mbps tier last fall.

Rumors of the faster tier come as AT&T competitor Comcast continues its deployment of faster DOCSIS 3.0 service, which offers 22/5Mbps ($62.95) and 50/10Mbps ($99 per month) tiers. AT&T's decision to save upfront investment capital and deploy fiber to the node and VDSL service instead of fiber to the home, means AT&T's broadband service continues to suffer from distance limitations in the fight against cable.

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Customers as close as 1,400 feet from the DSLAM have registered speeds of 100Mbps to their home gateways, while customers at 1,850 feet see total potential speeds closer to 58Mbps. But most customers sit further out, and customers as far as 5,000 feet may struggle to get 25Mbps from AT&T's service -- that bandwidth also being shared between data and AT&T's IPTV service.

AT&T employs TV signal compression tricks and variable bit rate encoding in order to squeeze data and TV service out of constrained pipes. Given that few AT&T customers watch 2 HD shows, 2 SD shows, and download full throttle simultaneously, AT&T has had a little wiggle room in providing 18Mbps downstream.

But 24? Last year, AT&T had to change their terms of service to "better manage customer expectations" as to how much bandwidth they're actually getting. The carrier had hoped by this point to have perfected VDSL line bonding, which would allow faster speeds at longer loop lengths, but the technology won't be ready until 2010. So will 24Mbps only be available to non-IPTV customers, or has AT&T further perfected their compression tricks (and at what cost to image quality)? Hopefully we'll find out soon.

Meanwhile, for AT&T's top shelf premium product aimed at heavy users, 2Mbps upstream is starting to look a little long in the tooth. Not to bludgeon a deceased Equus Caballus, but much of this could have been avoided if AT&T had decided to follow Verizon's lead and heavily invest in fiber to the home technology, instead of placating myopic investors (who in telecom lack patience and long-term vision) by nursing copper infrastructure.

Update: User djrobx See Profile directs our attention to this thread in our forums, which answers a few more questions. AT&T appears to be in the process of deploying an entirely new 32Mbps/5Mbps gateway profile intended to not only support the faster speeds, but three simultaneous HDTV streams as well. There's still a lot of questions about the particulars we won't see answered until AT&T makes the new tier official. While the tier hasn't been officially announced yet, several customers insist AT&T sales reps are already pitching the tier to customers.

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baineschile
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Great

Now my HDTV picture can pixelate even more in my living room, when I am downloading wedding videos in the office!

castsucks

@sbcglobal.net

Will you be able to get U-verse (no tv) and direct tv with $5 of

Will you be able to get U-verse (no tv) and direct tv with $5 off under the att deal?

Direct tv is better then U-verse no 2-3 HD limit, $5 /m per box vs $7 and hide sd duplication of HD channels. same # as well.

Comcast has 50 and is talking about 100 will att go after speeds that high as well?

AMDUSER
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Re: Great

Thanks AT&T.. hopefully, Time Warner Cable locally is going to be forced to increase the RR Turbo Tier.

Hopefully TWC will also upgrade the RR standard 7 Meg customers as well..

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Re: Great

said by AMDUSER See Profile :

Thanks AT&T.. hopefully, Time Warner Cable locally is going to be forced to increase the RR Turbo Tier.

Hopefully TWC will also upgrade the RR standard 7 Meg customers as well..
turbo is all ready 15/2 (in socal )

standard is 10/1

they claim to have the fastest internet the areas with Att lol

AMDUSER
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Re: Great

It is 15/1 here in Milwaukee,WI.. [right now for RR turbo]
Standard is 7/512k... [What I have, with TurboBoost]

Locally, Time Warner Cable claims to have the faster service, but
with it going to 24 Meg Uverse internet, the TurboBoost (tm) isn't going to help TWC much.. not as much as DOCSIS 3 would.

The only reason RR Turbo 15 Meg got Turboboost was because Uverse internet was 18 Meg. This may actually force TWC /RR to spend some money to upgrade.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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Karl - You've missed an important component to this story

While the availability of a new speed tier is a rumor, AT&T is definitely in the process of rolling out a new 32/5 profile to customers. Users are reporting that their gateways are now showing increased sync rates. Supposedly these new speeds would only be availble to customers on the new profile.

"Redwings2" posted this:

UVclass9 3400' 19Mbps 1HD/3SD
UVclass10 3000' 25Mbps 2HD/2HD
UVclass11 2200' 32Mbps Currently 2HD/2HD (will goto 3HD/1SD then 4HD)

See topic here:
»/forum/r22688848-325
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Karl Bode
News Guy
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Re: Karl - You've missed an important component to this story

Excellent and very interesting, that certainly fleshes out what's going on. Will add that information, thank you!

tad2020

join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA
That's a little better, 2Mbps upstream is not very exciting, but 5Mbps is getting there.

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02

Re: Karl - You've missed an important component to this story

You don't get the full five, you'll get just 2Mbps of it reserved for data....

tad2020

join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA

Re: Karl - You've missed an important component to this story

Oh that's just great. 2Mbps isn't worth switching from my current cheap EL/TWC 768Kbps to pay twice as much and then deal with AT&T's headaches.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
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said by tad2020 See Profile :

That's a little better, 2Mbps upstream is not very exciting, but 5Mbps is getting there.
Unfortunately while this profile allows up to 5mbps, the rumored new speed tier only goes to 2mbps.

Figure they want to leave some space reserved for TV & Phone as they do now (their current best is 1.5 up, while we currently sync at 2mbps up), so 4.5 up would be the likely top speed they could offer on that profile. Maybe we'll see it improve as an upgrade in the future.
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tad2020

join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA

Re: Karl - You've missed an important component to this story

Would you happen to know why Quest's VDSL tech can reach 20Mbps upstream while AT&T's is only able to do 5Mbps on a good loop?
MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest

Another important piece is that this is not VDSL2.

It's simply AT&T opening up existing VDSL bandwidth to customers closer to the VRAD.

When VDSL2 comes, additional bandwidth will be available for all customers. And I think VDSL2 will come long before pair bonding does -- because the equipment is already in place. Pair bonding will require new equipment to replace existing NIDs.
KnightAR

join:2004-04-22
San Marcos, CA
·Cox HSI

AT&T was offering me 24MBps last week

AT&T came to my house last week and was offering me the 24Mbps tier that is "already available in my area" for the price of the 18Mbps tier, I asked when they started to provide it and he said "two weeks ago". Not sure if the price was really the same as the 18Mbps tier but could have been a special to try to get me to order the service.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO

Re: AT&T was offering me 24MBps last week

Sign up and see what happens...:)
KnightAR

join:2004-04-22
San Marcos, CA
·Cox HSI

Re: AT&T was offering me 24MBps last week

I don't want AT&T, I pay less money for my bundle at the same internet speeds then AT&T is offering ... TV + 2 Top Boxes, + 300 channel package (Just to get the wanted channels Cox already comes with) would cost me an amazing 60$/month on top of what I'm paying now. I'm happy with what I have =]
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO

Re: AT&T was offering me 24MBps last week

Fair enough

So the pricing for 24 Mbps is $65 per month, just like 18 Mbps? Looking at their lineup, it makes sense, but just confirming...
KnightAR

join:2004-04-22
San Marcos, CA

Re: AT&T was offering me 24MBps last week

This is as far as the AT&T guy told me, He had a flayer that had 18Mbps crossed out and replaced with 24Mbps.
brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL

nice

I would sign up, but who knows when they would impose those caps.
AVonGauss
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Boynton Beach, FL


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Shared Bandwidth

Isn't the 18/1.5 tier shared bandwidth with the TV allocation? My last understand of it was that 12/1.5 is dedicated to the Internet with the remaining up to 18/1.5 being available for Internet use if not currently be used by TV. Is this how the 24/2 tier will work as well? I would assume if you don't have TV service that the full connection would always be available.

digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
49533

Re: Shared Bandwidth

said by AVonGauss See Profile :

Isn't the 18/1.5 tier shared bandwidth with the TV allocation? My last understand of it was that 12/1.5 is dedicated to the Internet with the remaining up to 18/1.5 being available for Internet use if not currently be used by TV. Is this how the 24/2 tier will work as well? I would assume if you don't have TV service that the full connection would always be available.
It's not worth getting 18/1.5 if you have the TV service and watch/record more than one thing at a time. TV has a higher priority than Internet.

SLD
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Better than nothing

While I appreciate the competition with Comcast this *might* create (assuming it comes to my area), they'll need to get the upstream higher before this becomes a viable option.

kilometers

join:2007-01-24
Sacramento, CA
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T U-Verse

Re: Better than nothing

I agree. When I heard about the profile update including a 5mbps upload rate I was considering switching from Comcast to U-verse again if they offered a 22/4 plan for a decent price. However, this competition is lame since Comcast will offer 3 more mbps on upload when I switch to their 22/5 profile.

If AT&T wants to compete they really should offer their 24/2 for 15-20 dollars less than Comcast's 22/5. =\
Kearnstd
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but now we also know why the primary enemy of Comcast will be FiOS unless AT&T steps up to the plate with Fiber.

DOCSIS3 and digital transition on cable really hurt ATT.
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MyDogHsFleas
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Re: Better than nothing

said by Kearnstd See Profile :

but now we also know why the primary enemy of Comcast will be FiOS unless AT&T steps up to the plate with Fiber.

DOCSIS3 and digital transition on cable really hurt ATT.
Not at all. You are taking an elitist view. Most customers don't care whether it's last-mile fiber or not. Many customers don't even know. Most customers don't need anything faster than what AT&T provides with U-verse.

Cable's primary competition is whatever telco is building out in their local area. They are fighting a huge battle vs. AT&T wherever AT&T is deploying.
vinnie97

join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX

Re: Better than nothing

Why settle for the cheap upgrade with the least potential for future growth? I'm tired of the cheapout AT&T defense. Like you, I am stuck in an AT&T area and just can't understand the constant defense...I would move to a Verizon area in a heartbeat if my financial situation was better.

digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
49533

Bump

Would be nice if they bumped the current 18Mb users up to 24Mb service for the same price. They just increased the 10Mb tier to 12Mb not too long ago. Upstream should should be a minimum of 5Mb for the tier as well.
dlewis23

join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL

$75 is too much

$75 a month is way to much for this. Considering what Comcast gives for $63 and Verizon for $65 a month.

They also have too many tiers. This would make 6 different tiers.

They need to shrink the number of tiers and lower the prices. If its going to be 24/2 it should be around $60 a month $65 max.
Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL

Re: $75 is too much

7 if you count the 786 kbps on dsl

Duramax08
Oh rly?

join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

You will have to live really close to the dslam...

AT&T might as well start making mini dslams and put them on every street just for this speed.
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Roflmao

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Re: You will have to live really close to the dslam...

Yea I wonder how close you'll have to be for their current top speed tier.
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TebTeb

join:2009-01-28
Columbus, OH

sucks for those on the 19/2

Good for those people who are less than 2000' from the VRAD; sucks for those that are still on the 19meg profile.

gigahurtz
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I can get this now..

I am about 300 ft from a DSLAM. AT&T has been soliciting me for this service for the last few weeks. I am interested but have such a great deal with DirecTV + Brighthouse (HSI) that I can't pass it up now ($64 for DirecTV DVR+ HD package and $39 for Road Runner Turbo which is 15/2).

dvd536
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Re: I can get this now..

said by gigahurtz See Profile :

I am about 300 ft from a DSLAM.
You can live right next to a DSLAM and still be 4000+ WIRE FEET from it!
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maartena
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Let them cook up more HD streams....

My area only allows 2 HD streams. And although I only have 2 TV's, I have an HD-DVR that often records 2 programs at the same time from HD channels.... which simply means I can't tune into any HD stations on the other TV.

That is just BS and the main reason I am not signing up with them.

18 Mbps, 24 Mbps.... yeah its nice that they are competing in the speed-wars, but until they can supply at LEAST 4 HD streams to my house, AND one of those fast internet connections..... I ain't switching!
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w4ncr

join:2000-10-27

Re: Let them cook up more HD streams....

ONLY 2 MBPS UPSTREAM how about 5-mbps upstream
jlachowin

join:2008-05-29
Milwaukee, WI

Re: Let them cook up more HD streams....

It's funny, I am VERY happy with my 6Mbps/784Kpbs AT&T Elite Dry Loop DSL.
w4ncr

join:2000-10-27

Re: Let them cook up more HD streams....

Consider yourself lucky as I only get 6-mbps and a wimpy 430 upstream.
optikal

join:2001-02-18
Storrs Mansfield, CT

Re: Let them cook up more HD streams....

Consider both of yourselves lucky. I can only get 3/512. My only other option is 10Mbps Charter Cable for an insanely inflated $80/month (after 6 months, without the bundle). I can't speak to the upstream on the alternative, as it's not listed.

jimbo48

join:2000-11-17
Hayward, CA
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Re: Let them cook up more HD streams....

LOL NO AT&T Uverse but they can offer me 1.5/ 384 DSL!!!
Verizion is nowhere and won't come here in my lifetime. Comcast did say they could offer me "Up to" 20 MB/4 MB for 52.95 but the up to seems to be only 50% of what they offer.
I'd settle for one HD stream that doesn't pixilate while on the internet.
decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN

Not news

What ever happened to the days where this site talked about new deployments to people that dont' have any real options (( satellite isn't what we call real )).. Now it appears to be mainly a site bringing news of people with existing service getting yet again more faster services, and for the most part the same people deprieved of the technology continue to be so...

You can't say that buildouts isn't an economy concern, from my view point is is... One, I cannot play any console games online with anyone, nor any low latency high bandwidth games (( more latency than the latter )) even on my pc... I thought about upgrading my computer recently to a quad core system.. But when I thought about it.. What return would I have in usability? Sure, I could play off line games.. The few what I consider fun ones that exist.. But the real fun in with the online community, not some AI computer bot trying to take you out.. So, till world of warcraft isn't playable on my old agp video card and amd 3200xp cpu, i'm not doing anything for a long while..... Just no point.

There are many other services that broadband could provide to people, video streaming, online purchase downloads, its all be regressed by tight buildouts and now internet regulating and capping.. The 5 gigs that alotta wireless providers are all rubbing each other over is just sick... SICK.. What the hell has happened to this country? Land of the Free? Or land of the FEE? God I hate monopoly's in a soo called free market, yet moderated to restrict multiple utilities existing to provide the same service's..

Duramax08
Oh rly?

join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

Re: Not news

I know how you feel, Im pretty much in the same boat. Cant do jack crap with dial up.

jkeels

@bellsouth.net

Indeed. I would be aggravated if I couldn't get broadband. In some places just being able to get 1-6mbps DSL is a big thing if you have been stuck on dialup all of these years and can't move. I think that's the real story. Get people connected that are still NOT connected. I use 1.5mpbs DSL and its perfectly adequate for everything I do. I don't know what people do with 10-20mpbs although it is nice to have for sure if you can get it and afford it.
Rob2647

join:2008-08-12
Rochester, MI

I maybe interested

if they bump up my profile to the 32meg to get it, since I'm about 1500ft from the VRAD.

benc
Premium
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Glen Carbon, IL

24/2 for $75/mo. and with what Monthly Data Transfer Caps?

Someone had to ask this.
Gilitar

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Mobile, AL
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Re: 24/2 for $75/mo. and with what Monthly Data Transfer Caps?

said by benc See Profile :

Someone had to ask this.
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