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This...Could actually work.
Lenovo has the chops to put out a quality business minded product.
The problem is going to be that everyone in charge of money at business seems to have an iPhone boner | |
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Re: This...No. Bb would have chinese boogeymen ownig them. Instant dead product in the largest markets. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 4:58 pm
Re: This...said by BosstonesOwn:No. Bb would have chinese boogeymen ownig them. Instant dead product in the largest markets. Not exactly, Our boggeymen have been firmly entrenched across both product lines. -nony | |
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hmmSprint should buy them. Think about it... | |
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2014-Oct-20 4:59 pm
It will never be approved in the US - national securityLenovo is a Chinese company (headquarters- Beijing).
Although Blackberry is Canadian, they do huge amounts of business in the US and particularly for the US Government.
The US is not about to approve a large and important communications infrastructure piece to be sold and controlled by the Chinese. | |
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Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityThat doesn't seem to be hurting Lenovo's ThinkPad sales. | |
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2014-Oct-20 10:19 pm
Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securitysaid by Smith6612:That doesn't seem to be hurting Lenovo's ThinkPad sales. The ThinkPad really went down hill after Lenovo took over. My dad had to deal with it when he worked for IBM and hated the greatly increased hardware failure that followed the sale of IBM's ThinkPad to Lenovo. Support tickets for employee repairs shot right up in the 2 years following the take over. China can make good products and they have good business's, but I really don't count Lenovo as one of them. They cut back on stupid stuff like fans and that lead to most breaking down due to non-working fans that would melt the CPU's of the notebooks. Lenovo and Acer are both the gutter trash of the PC market. The only thing worse is HP, but I am sure there time is coming. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 7:02 am
Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityWell, ask your Dad if he ever worked on SOS... (That would be Share Operating System)
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The fan part I'm not surprised about. Most laptops come with those cheap fans that start to break down after a year. Sourcing good parts is always a pain. So I don't blame Lenovo for that, but they could be a leader in making sure stuff like that doesn't happen.
The removal of the extra keyboard rows on the ThinkPads also drives me nuts, since some of those keys are helpful from a developmental or technical aspect.
I will say, though. As much as people tout Apple laptops as being built well, they certainly are but they do suffer from the same problems. Poor cooling, and the dedicated GPUs usually go belly up after about a year because the laptops can't cool themselves. | |
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I placed an order for a Lenovo laptop and the build time went from 2 weeks to 8 weeks due to "supply issues." (They didn't notify me about these issues. I just noticed the estimated completion time jump.) When I tried cancelling it, they said they had to put in a "cancellation request" but it might not be approved. Each step of the way, the representatives would contradict something a previous rep said. I finally got the order cancelled and haven't looked back. I'm much happier with my Toshiba and - given my experience - won't be buying Lenovo ever again. | |
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You're right, but the bid even occurring will likely accelerate the US Government's shift from Blackberry to iPhones that is already happening.
@buzz_4_20 I have to disagree. My organization was an all HP house and we started shifting to Lenovos for laptops a few years ago and then some desktops soon after that. After a few years we've seen how Lenovo's products, especially mobile products, have held up pretty poorly and we're getting out of Lenovo and going back to HP. They just hold up better. There's also the issue that Lenovo's products, in our experience, tend to use cheaper internal components versus their HP competitor product for around the same price point. This is just one persons experience but they've gone way down hill in terms of quality from the IBM days. | |
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Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityI wonder if that means iPhones are sold to the U.S. Government are Designed and Made by Apple in California USA because of the Buy America Act. | |
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Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityYou do know that blackberries are still manufactured in china? | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 4:41 pm
Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityPartial disclosure:
I continue to utilize multiple IBM thinkpads and blackberry's, so i shouldn't complain. And those blackberrys are equipped with S/MIME and approved for use within DoD (not mine) with the appropriate accoutrements (CAC card reader)
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Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securityLike I said above anything bought by the Federal Government has to be American Made because of the buy America Act. If you look at building hardware catalogs, they have separate part numbers for Buy America Act compliant. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 9:56 pm
Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securitysaid by IowaCowboy:Like I said above anything bought by the Federal Government has to be American Made because of the buy America Act. » futureofcompute.com/arti ··· debe1ad6The trick is to have IBM do the maintenance. -nony | |
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said by IowaCowboy:Like I said above anything bought by the Federal Government has to be American Made because of the buy America Act. If you look at building hardware catalogs, they have separate part numbers for Buy America Act compliant. This is not exactly the way it is. Certain government entities can and do specify TAA compliance (built in "friendly" countries") for some products, but it would be impossible to fulfill the government's needs by "American Made"...stuff just doesn't exist. But having a preference for "American Made" is a good thing when there is the ability to fulfill that way is desirable. I sell to the Federal government and all of my designs/solutions must be TAA compliant--most hardware parts and components are manufactured elsewhere and the TAA versions come from countries like Mexico. | |
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This is simply not true nor is it possible since every PC bought by the government is not made in the USA. | |
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WTF Lenovo has bought Motorola Mobility from Google last year and they want to buy another smartphone company. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 8:30 am
Re: It will never be approved in the US - national securitysaid by OpTiC :Lenovo has bought Motorola Mobility from Google last year and they want to buy another smartphone company. When they bought Motorola Mobility, they also purchased the brain trust of RIM (for those not in the know) -nony | |
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said by tpkatl:The US is not about to approve a large and important communications infrastructure piece to be sold and controlled by... The DoD is not about to approve a large and important communications infrastructure piece to be sold and controlled by... -nony | |
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2014-Oct-20 6:13 pm
Sounds like an IP moveBB has a lot of IP, and Lenovo wants to be a leading global phone manufacturer alongside Samsung and Apple. If they get the IP to the BB design and keyboards, it could be a winning combination for them. BB keyboard with Android? Sign me up! | |
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The two biggest thingsthat Blackberry has going for it (besides their HUGE patent portfolio) are:
1) QNX operating system - which is used for nuclear reactor control systems, aircraft FMS, etc... in addition to being the base for BB10 os, (based in Ottawa, Ontario) and
2) Certicom - the encryption company they bough (also Ontario based). They licensed their elliptic curve crypto technology to the NSA.
I suspect that any deal with Chinese interests would have to exclude the IP to these things. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 4:53 pm
Re: The two biggest thingsWe can deal with all that- effectively
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Blackberry is DeadI go to the Verizon Store all the time, the guys know me by name. They know I like Apple.
I don't think they have a BlackBerry on the sales floor. They'll upsell a basic flip phone to someone who tries to buy a BlackBerry, less likely the device will come back as buyers remorse equipment. | |
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2014-Oct-20 9:26 pm
Re: Blackberry is DeadAs a long-time BlackBerry user (2004-2012), I have to say that nothing can beat the old form factor, physical keyboard, and interface for messaging. Hands down, I'd take a BlackBerry anyday over touch keyboards and 6" screens for getting serious work done.
I remember pounding out pages-long email and documents on those keyboards. That would be unthinkable to me in the era of autocorrect and swype. Those are great for casual texting, you know, "where u at?" and whatnot.
Unfortunately, the business market has been relegated back into a niche. I carry both an Android and an iPhone, and while they are miles ahead of any BlackBerry device as far as overall functionality goes, there's still no substitute for the real thing. I understand why the average consumer wouldn't want an old dinosaur like the BB. But man, if you ever had to do real work on the go, you'd understand why some people still clamor for the good 'ole days.
Your example of salesmen putting their personal preferences ahead of the needs of their customers is exactly why the cell carriers need to shut down all their brick-and-mortar high pressure 2-year contract selling stores and just sell service, letting the market decide what's best for people. BlackBerry screwed the pooch, so to speak, but that doesn't mean there isn't money to be made catering to the business-centric market.
Let's hope Lenovo can save the brand, I, for one, would love to have a device that is as functional as an iPhone or Android with a decent physical keyboard, functional and secure messaging applications, and enterprise-level support and features. | |
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2014-Oct-20 10:51 pm
Re: Blackberry is Deadsaid by clone:As a long-time BlackBerry user (2004-2012), I have to say that nothing can beat the old form factor, physical keyboard, and interface for messaging. Hands down, I'd take a BlackBerry anyday over touch keyboards and 6" screens for getting serious work done.
I remember pounding out pages-long email and documents on those keyboards. That would be unthinkable to me in the era of autocorrect and swype. Those are great for casual texting, you know, "where u at?" and whatnot.
Unfortunately, the business market has been relegated back into a niche. I carry both an Android and an iPhone, and while they are miles ahead of any BlackBerry device as far as overall functionality goes, there's still no substitute for the real thing. I could not agree more. There is nothing more idiotic than a touchscreen. Sometimes, the evolution takes a wrong turn. | |
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2014-Oct-21 1:33 am
Re: Blackberry is Deadsaid by cb14:I could not agree more. There is nothing more idiotic than a touchscreen. Sometimes, the evolution takes a wrong turn. As an old person I find tiny buttons difficult to use. I swipe you left. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 6:54 am
Re: Blackberry is DeadGentlepeople,
Every journalist, congressperson, and at large people, continue to carry a Blackberry today (that means today) -
And I am on a grandfathered plan. So eat your hearts out.
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Re: Blackberry is Deadsaid by nony:Every journalist, congressperson, and at large people, continue to carry a Blackberry today (that means today Not for long, I'm afraid. I work for a Fortune 50 company that is extremely security aware, and the last of the BB holdouts (myself being one) just received instructions to replace it with an iPhone or Galaxy. Both fully support S/Mime, remote wiping and management now. Too bad, as the latest OS10.2 is actually very usable. I'll particularly miss the Workspace / Personal Space feature. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 7:35 pm
Re: Blackberry is Deadsaid by travelguy:Not for long, I'm afraid. I work for a Fortune 50 company that is extremely security aware, and the last of the BB holdouts (myself being one) just received instructions to replace it with an iPhone or Galaxy Government will continue to be a holdout... -nony | |
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Somebody has to sell the phones, and I like the choice between having a carrier subsidy or financing the device.
Either way BlackBerry is dead. They just don't want to sell a device that is going to end up returned. The last time I bought a blackberry I returned it and that was many years ago. | |
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nony
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2014-Oct-21 6:44 am
This is why Canada is dead to me...And I kid my maple leaf friends...
But Lawsuits in Motion were always a pain in-the-ass to deal with...
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