Rural Broadband User? You're Screwed Of course if you're a rural broadband user, you already knew that... If there has been one constant in the ever changing broadband landscape over the last decade, it has been that rural broadband users get the short end of the stick. When you're not busy getting sold by massive incumbent ISPs who don't think you're worth serving, you're getting gobbled up by smaller ISPs who think 5 gigabytes of monthly consumption is some kind of cardinal sin. For many rural broadband users, their only solution is satellite broadband, where being throttled back to sub-dial up speeds is a fairly common occurrence. A new study indicates that those hoping that broadband stimulus funds will cure your rural broadband blues are in for a disappointment: Current federal Stimulus spending of $6.4 billion would allow for an investment of $164 per household to provide broadband access to the non-broadband households, the study finds.
The availability of such a small investment amount per household casts serious doubt that any significant expansion of broadband access will result from this government action, the authors say. This position is further bolstered by the argument that, at the current estimate of $1,500 per household, at least $60 billion would be needed to deploy universal broadband access. Of course the broadband stimulus funds are only a small part of the FCC's broadband plan, which they'll be unveiling in full in February. It's not clear how the FCC hopes to address the nation's rural (and non-rual) coverage gaps, but they have a steep uphill climb to get there. The nation's biggest carriers don't want to serve much of rural America because it's expensive. At the same time, they lobby extensively to make sure nobody else does either -- in these ISPs change their mind someday. There's 65 days until the FCC unveils their national broadband plan, and the biggest threat to rural broadband users -- remains incumbent ISP lobbyists.
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 | | It's the liberals fault "We the people".. Anytime anything starts with "We", it means it's just a suggestion. (Thanks to Better off Ted.S02E01). Those 'rights' you supposedly have, are just guidelines, which the liberals interpret as the law of the land. Let's be honest, if you live in a rural area, you're vote should only count as 3/5th of a vote. I mean, The Constitution, Section 2, Paragraph 3, clearly states that rural people aren't 'real people'. You rural people, just aren't worth very much. And the liberals keep complaining about that. Dammit, the constitution is VERY clear, that anyone who doesn't work for a megacorp isn't a full person, so why are they expecting to get the same services a full person gets? Broadband should go to people who have money, not hooked up willy-nilly to everyone. And why should a city support through tax dollars; ;regardless of the potential of repaying costs through revenue later;such universal availability? The notion of whether broadband is an inherent right and necessity of every citizen is up for grabs in the US. Sweden and Finland have already answered the question: Its a birthright. Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, and many European countries arent far behind in having created the right regulatory and market conditions to bring better and affordable broadband to a greater percentage of its citizens than in the US. Let's see, Europe = Socialist = Liberal. So stop whining, and move to the city and be a good sheeple to your corporate masters. -- Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so. | |
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2 edits | Re: It's the liberals fault Section 2 Paragraph 3 of the Constitution (excerpt:)
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Are you calling us Indians? (Even if I was, I am taxed!) If you are, please check your sense of reality and come again.
I've seen you pushing your fascist agenda in other threads. Enough is enough. -- Sprint MBB thru Millenicom Unlimited service - Franklin CDU-680 (with coffee-can antenna, thanks Jim_in_VA) connected to a CTR-350; Linksys WRT160N running DD-WRT in repeater mode a room away from the CTR to cover the house with 4 bars of N WiFi. | |
|  |  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault there are certain perks and drawbacks to living in a rural area. there are less commercial amenities; broadband being one of them. if you happen to be a person that NEEDS high speed data, move to a more suburban area. | |
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| Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault The thing is, if rural folks were allowed to pay for RTs/DLCs so the telco could provide them service with minimal capital expenditure (feed the darned thing with eight T1s, sell 3.0/768k DSL for $50 and call it a day), the price would be about the same per user as the setup fees for a satellite company or your more expensive WISPs, so people would pay that. I've seen DSLAMs for about $2000...spread that over 20 customers and you get a $100 startup cost. Sure, the density is low but you can still make money off of rural folks by providing them with service that doesn't suck. And, IMO, 3M down, 768k p DSL definitely falls in the "not suck" region as long as it works 99.9% of the time at advertised speeds.
Maybe rural areas won't get fiber for the next ten years. But DSL isn't *that* hard to provide. | |
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| Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault said by iansltx:The thing is, if rural folks were allowed to pay for RTs/DLCs so the telco could provide them service with minimal capital expenditure (feed the darned thing with eight T1s, sell 3.0/768k DSL for $50 and call it a day), the price would be about the same per user as the setup fees for a satellite company or your more expensive WISPs, so people would pay that. I've seen DSLAMs for about $2000...spread that over 20 customers and you get a $100 startup cost. I once lived in a small town in California (Sheridan), where you could cover the entire town with 10 strategically placed such DSLAMs, and still not be able to serve the folks at the end of the road running east out of the town toward the Sierra foothills.
Sure, the density is low but you can still make money off of rural folks by providing them with service that doesn't suck. And, IMO, 3M down, 768k p DSL definitely falls in the "not suck" region as long as it works 99.9% of the time at advertised speeds. But you need to be within 12,500 feet of the DSLAM for that level of service; assuming the condition of the plant is excellent. And there are probably around 500 homes around Sheridan who would fall outside of that service range, if not more.
Maybe rural areas won't get fiber for the next ten years. But DSL isn't *that* hard to provide. No doubt, 384 kb/s is probably not that hard to provide in a rural setting ... -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault Depends on the size of the wire. If you're talking about 24AWG something closer to 15-16kfeet should be doable or 3M. | |
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| Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault Also depends on the condition of the plant. Something like 15-16 Kfeet of bad 24 AWG, with lots of bad splices, likely will not sustain a 3 Mb/s connection reliably.
When I worked combat communications, I had to replace any spool of WD-1/TT wire if there were too many splices per meter of wire. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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The phone companies need to be forced to upgrade their infrastructure in rural areas to support basic DSL service. If they need money to do it, raise the rates on everybody to fund it. The bar has to be raised beyond basic POTS capability as a minimum service level. The same urban areas should not be getting continuous infrastructure upgrades while the rural areas are completely ignored. | |
|  |  |  |  |  aSicapplication specificPremium join:2001-05-17 Wakulla, FL | Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault said by mlcarson:The phone companies need to be forced to upgrade their infrastructure in rural areas to support basic DSL service. If they need money to do it, raise the rates on everybody to fund it. Such a plan already exists. USF There is no need to jack up my rates yet again.
Interesting read from the Google cache... »74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:-pU···irefox-a
There is more than enough monies being collected and laundered in that program to solve that problem and then some.
Otherwise, I agree with your assessment. -- Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say. | |
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| Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault said by aSic:Such a plan already exists. USF There is no need to jack up my rates yet again. It has been a couple of years since I paid a USF fee for DSL service. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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| quote: If they need money to do it, raise the rates on everybody to fund it. The bar has to be raised beyond basic POTS capability as a minimum service level.
Why should I pay extra? The lack of what services, in particular, are putting rural families at such a disadvantage?
DirecWay's not great, but it works just fine for research and education, banking, facebook, and whatnot. Hell we had DirecWay serving up an entire office and while it wasn't great, at the end of the day, it got the job done.
Without more tangible reasons, I still see low latency broadband as a luxury and not a basic necessity that warrants subsidizing.
If we're going to subsidize something, how about health care. That's something everybody really does need. -- AT&T U-Hearse Your funeral. Delivered.
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My take on this is, television content is far more profitable than basic broadband access. | |
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Some of Washington state's PUDs (Public Utility Disctrict) have deployed large fiber networks which can offer 100mb internet connections along with TV and phone service.
Here's an article from early 2002 about one PUD's fiber network: »www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stor···s12.html | |
|  |  |  |  Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | said by baineschile:there are certain perks and drawbacks to living in a rural area. there are less commercial amenities; broadband being one of them. if you happen to be a person that NEEDS high speed data, move to a more suburban area. Who says living in a suburban area or city area will guarantee that broadband is available? I live in the second largest city in Hawaii and cannot get DSL. I can get cable broadband but ONE STREET OVER FROM MINE CANNOT! They had dialup until recently when with AT&T they can now get broadband through their cell phones.
Some folks just 5 miles outside this city cannot get any sort of broadband so moving into the suburbs or a city is no guarantee that broadband will be available. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson | |
|  |  |  |  PDXPLT join:2003-12-04 Banks, OR | said by baineschile: if you happen to be a person that NEEDS high speed data, move to a more suburban area. Except Federal Law (1996 Telecomm Act) says you're not supposed to need to. Congress made it U.S. nat'l policy that broadband be made available to all Americans. | |
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| Re: It's the HOMEOWNERS fault said by PDXPLT:Except Federal Law (1996 Telecomm Act) says you're not supposed to need to. Congress made it U.S. nat'l policy that broadband be made available to all Americans. Congress can make anything a "policy". But if Congress wants to enforce that policy, they'd either better provide stiff penalties for failing to adhere to that policy, or provide funding to enable adhering to that policy.
As for penalties to adhere to a Congressionally mandated policy, an interesting exercise provided by a consultant o HP comes to mind. The consultant passed a can full of colored beads, some red, others white, around. Along with a spatula that had bead-sized holes. The consultant would beg, cajole, and even threaten us to try and get us to bring the spatula out with fewer than 10 read beads per scoop. However, the ratio of red beads to white in the can was closer to 1 in 5 than 1 in 10. As you can imagine, nobody could bring out as few as 1 red bead in 10, no matter how they tried. Statistically, with 1 red bead in five, you would have to be sufficiently lucky as to hit a jackpot.
My point is, Congress set a policy which can't be achieved without driving companies into bankruptcy without some subsidization by the Congress. You can threaten the CEOs with jail, but you can't make the extension of plant into rural areas profitable by throwing corporate CEOs in prison. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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|  |  |  |  John GaltForward, MarchPremium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:3 | Re: It's the liberals fault said by jaymer:You do realize that "all other persons" was referring to slaves. I believe he does...! 
His point exactly... -- The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
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| Why don't they charge more? This is a frustrating situation for us rural folks. I'm not in the backwoods. I'm 20 miles from our state capital (where many of my neighbors commute every day,) 4 miles from a village that has cable and dsl service.
One thing I've wondered, though, is why the phone companies don't charge more for dsl in rural areas to offset some of the extra cost to install it. There seems to be one price for dsl whether you live in a city or a rural area, in my state it's about $20.
I'm paying $80 a month for satellite now, which is inferior to even basic dsl. I'd gladly pay $40-60 for dsl. It could be a surcharge until the installation cost is paid off.
I know that wouldn't cover all the cost of rural installation, but it might make the subsidy smaller and allow something to happen sooner. Why not ask us rural people to share a part of the cost of the installation? -- Upstate NY DW 7000S AMC3 (87deg) 1290 MHz/ to Apple Airport(802.11g)/ Mac OS X 10.4 | |
|  |  knightmbEverybody Lies join:2003-12-01 Franklin, TN | Re: Why don't they charge more? The breakdown gave about $164 per household to spend on broadband setup. It currently cost me about $80 to in equipment to setup a new customer, so money is there, it's just not being spent economically by those that will receive it.
I wish I was in your state, you would be my first customer right away, but unfortunately I'm starting from TN, KY right now.
I hook up people all the time miles from no where with 2 M/bps service for $40 a month, which seems to be right in the sweet spot. Those closer to the cities get a better discount due to cheaper Internet pipe prices, but I'm with you, the big companies will cherry pick everything they can. I'm trying to pick that and everything else because I know what it's like to live outside of a city for the nice quiet country factor, yet can't get anything better than dial up.  -- Fight Insight Ready (Was NebuAD) and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
|  |  |  DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium join:2001-07-23 West Hartford, CT kudos:1 | Re: Why don't they charge more? It's about time someone started connecting [can't say 'wiring' any more] the rural areas the incumbents aren't interested in.
I think folks like you should get whatever federal assistance you need for national broadband deployment without regard to location. If you can do it without the Feds, then more power to you.
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Glass half empty or half full? This study is deliberately being used to make things look bleak but when you look at it the opposite way they're saying half of all U.S. homes already have broadband service. That's not just availability, that's people who are actually connected to the internet. What part of the other half including those with dialup service have availability of broadband service but have chosen not to have it? Should it be the government's responsibility to get people who have chosen not to be connected to have broadband service? Isn't some of that $164 per home being leveraged with private investment (it is) making the total less than $60 Billion needed from the government? | |
|  |  mworks join:2006-06-13 Faison, NC | Re: Glass half empty or half full? The thing is the homes they list as covered are covered extremely well, not by just dsl or cable but often dsl, cable, wireless, fios available to the same homes. That clearly shows that telco will not build out to anywhere they don't think they can get a quick return. They promised years ago to deliver and took the money and ran with it. It should be the governments responsibility to hold the telco to their promises. But it is so corrupt and the payoffs so high that officials take the money and say nothing.
It isn't people in rural areas choosing not to get broadband, it is that they cannot get it even if they wanted to pay $200 a month for the service. I know many in rural areas that connect via modem at 26Kbps and those connections often disconnect. The thing is that people in the rural areas have more of a need for broadband than people in cities. Ever been to a library in a rural area ? They suck, outdated old material and usually tiny. Want to go to college ? Prepare to drive 45 minute to get to school and 45 minutes back. Want to rent a movie ? Drive 20 miles into town.
Rural can benefit from broadband in ways that cities take for granted. | |
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| $164 per customer... Qwest said that their ADSL2+ FTTN upgraded cost $175 per customer, though apparently they only did them in more urban areas *shrugs*. Still, that amount of money per customer should be enough to provide T1-fed or T3-fed RDSLAMs so people could get at least 3 Mbps service. I realize T1s are old tech and you'd have only 12 Mbps of bandwidth if you bonded eight together, but 3/768 DSL is a heckuva lot better than satellite. Also, the phone company would be using the T1s so there's no gobs of money changing hands for an overpriced circuit.
Or go wireless. $164 should be enough to get current-gen (read: fast, 802.11n based) Ubiquiti gear up on a tower if you're trying to serve several customers per tower. Would probably even be enough to subsidize consumer equipment so the setup fee is $100 or so. Use a wireless backhaul and you could again sell 3/768 service for $50 per month and everyone's happy. | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... The problem with bonding 8 t-1's together to get 12 mbs and then selling 3/678 service is how many customers on line at one time to bring the system to really low thru put. If one is going to provide internet services from an RT, the only way to do it well is with fiber feed to the RT. | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... You'd think s at first glance, but in reality if you're only putting 24 folks on the RT your contention ratio is just 6:1. A typical cable system has a contention ratio of many times that and still functions decently. Also, contention ratios can be higher if a given subscriber can only monopolize a small percentage of the downstream bandwidth at once. For more input on this, head over to the Wireless Service Providers forum.
I'm not saying that 8xT1 fed DSLAMs pushing 3M DSL out to 24 customers is an ideal solution. However it's cheap (T1s run on copper lines that are already there, so no expensive digging/stringing is required to get fiber to the area) and is a heck of a lot better than satellite.
Heck, if you're paranoid, offer 3/768 DSL for $50, 1.5/512 for $40 and 768/384 for $30. Many users will opt for the lower tier, reducing contention ratios. If you're really paranoid, cap everyone at 150GB per month on downloads and your theoretical contention ratio is 1:1. I'd take 150GB-capped DSL over satellite or a low-cap WISP any way.
The above will only work if the telco does the whole thing though. 8xT1 costs maybe $2400 retail, though telco costs are much less. So if the telco just sets up the circuits for itself everything's good...not ideal, but again MUCH better than 3G (usually only a T1 or two per tower), satellite and your lower end WISPs. | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... I was involved with RT's for the better part of 20 years, with both copper and fiber feed.
Several of the RT's had a concentration 2 to 1 (mode 2 SLC-96) and every evening we would get trouble reports of blocked calls. Experience has shown me that concentration really doesn't work all that well close to the customer, works better at the central office.
Also finding good T-1, or even HDSL pairs out in the country can be very sporty, especially keeping binder group integrity to keep down crosstalk between the T lines. Also, repeater/regenerator units have to be cut in the cable, depending on how far out into the country your are going. On T-1's roughly every 4 to 6 thousand feet, depending on the gauge.
Based on several years of experience, T-1 bonding is not a good strategy to serve several users. It works pretty good in a business environment where the t-1's are all bonded for the same customer and their usage can be predicted. | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... *shrugs* "Good enough" versus ideal...maybe a wireless backhaul should be used?
As to the contention ratios, internet works a lot differently than voice. With bursty traffic (web surfing and such) the average bandwidth consumed by a 3 Mbit line is a lot less than the advertised speed. Versus voice where you are either fully utilizing a channel or not at all.
Again, check out the WISP forum for a discussion on contention ratios, which increase dramatically as you add bandwidth to the mix. I'll defer to you on the T1 bonding side of things...a good copper line is hard to find...but I'm pretty sure you're underestimating the contention ratios on internet service at this point in time.
That said, if you can pull riber to an RT, by all means do it. The issue here is the cost of pulling infrastructure to the RT in the first place; stringing several miles of fiber might be the difference between sericing an area and writing it off as low-ROI. A cooperative will spend $3000 per customer laying fiber to DLCs and serving everyone in their service area with DSL. However this ain't gonna hapen for larger providers, and it certainly won't happen for $175 per customer. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: $164 per customer... I have been around the telecommunications business for almost 30 years, what is contention ratio? Never heard of it before today.
What experience do you have with dealing with copper t-1's deep into the country? | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... 1. Contention ratio is a term used in the internet biz, mostly in the EU. Contention ratio = advertised bandwidth / back-end available bandwidth.
2. Nothing. I was talking about raw bandwidth and the fact that construction costs make up the majority of buildout costs for fiber circuits, wherever they might go. I admittedly knoow little to nothing about the nuances of getting T1s (and bonded T1s, etc.) to work. | |
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| Re: $164 per customer... That is the result of not conditioning the cable correctly for that grade of service, or pushing the limits of the HDSL technology. Granted that ADTRAN hdsl technology is a little more forgiving than pure t-1 architecture, it has to be used appropriately. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  tim_kButtons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, KaseyPremium,VIP join:2002-02-02 Stewartstown, PA kudos:13 | Re: $164 per customer... said by Austinloop:That is the result of not conditioning the cable correctly for that grade of service, or pushing the limits of the HDSL technology. Granted that ADTRAN hdsl technology is a little more forgiving than pure t-1 architecture, it has to be used appropriately. Judging by the lack of money going into copper plant I'm sure that many of the pairs being used are in no condition to handle that service and nothing will be done to condition the pairs. -- RIP my babies Buttons 1/15/94-2/9/07, Beamer 7/24/08, & Bows 12/17/94-10/11/09 | |
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|  |  | | Mandates are the only true option. As someone who lives in a semi-rural area and knows that Satellite isn't really an option even as a student (doing live document editing with those I'm working with on my thesis really doesn't work, nor does massive PDF files), this is the same issue that arose during the early 20th century. The availability of electricity/phone/water service was spotty to say the least until co-ops or mandates were given, which pressured utility companies. In our day and age, broadband internet should almost be considered a utility due to the depth of our internet usage now. Due to this, it only looks like we have one option. | |
|  |  heimdm join:2008-06-22 Martinsville, IN | Re: Mandates are the only true option. I live out in the sticks. But a small LEC that is even more remote is providing fiber to the home... but what is ATT providing us... POTS. I have a T1 because I work at home. The T goes down about ever 2-3 months for a day or 2, while the tech's work to isolate which of the 14 repeaters died.
DSL with cleaned pairs and smart coils you can get close to 20k feet. | |
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This is where Wireless comes in. If someone puts in a WiMax or 11n tower (I'm currently looking into this for 30mi radius), it'd serve quite a few customers. Not to mention, if you lined up towers along Hw212, you could connect to Miles City, which has a better backbone (could get a DS3 easily). Then you could serve all the little towns, ranchers/farms, and homes along that road.
I don't see how it's soo freakin' difficult to put up a couple towers. Everyone says that it's impossible, but I see otherwise. I think they don't see the immediate ROI and end up ditching the possibilities. -- Bresnan 15M/1M|MyWS[P4HT@4.01GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7]|WifeWS[P4@2.4GHz,1GB RAM,60GB HDD,Win7]|Router[2xP3@1GHz,640MB RAM,18GB HDD,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Kingston KNE100TX,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,iPro/1000DP,Blitz BWI715,Gentoo Linux] | |
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