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join:2005-09-01 | Here in Benton Here in Benton, AR, we have problems: only one provider available, DSL, and if you aren't in range, you just don't get it. | |
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join:2007-08-28
Pine Brook, NJ
| Re: Here in Benton Are there any local fixed-wireless providers? Many of these rural areas have local providers who have these wireless services, but they van be significantly more then DSL service.
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| Re: Here in Benton None that I'm aware of. It's pretty much DSL or Satellite here. There's a few hotspots around downtown, but, nothing close by.
If you're out of range for DSL (very common), you're SOL. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Maybe they should try harsh language! Maybe they should add harsh language to their stern admonishments. That should fix the broadband problem.
Yeah. That's it. Fixed. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY | Re: Maybe they should try harsh language! And don't forget finger wagging. Much finger wagging. | |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | =P mission accomplished | |
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Trimline
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join:2004-10-24
Orlando, FL | Where Did All The Money Go? Holy Moly, after all the added surcharges for the city folks to supply rural broadband, where did it go?
Follow the money, I say, and ask for a refund. Put the FCC on trial! It's time.
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| DemonChicken
join:2006-10-15
Boon, MI | Rural electricity Horay, In around 50 years im sure we will all hapily have 786K DSL! | |
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| PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: Where Did All The Money Go? said by Trimline  :Holy Moly, after all the added surcharges for the city folks to supply rural broadband, where did it go? Uh, there are no surcharges, on city folks or anyone esle, to pay for rural broadband.
The 1996 Telecom Act added a component to the USF to pay for broadband to schools and libraries; that's it. Nothing for rural broadband. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Where Did All The Money Go? The USF is a slush fund for large Telephone companies. They receive all the proceeds from the USF. It is a a tax for a private corporation. The rate is set based on the expenses the Telephone companies say it costs them to provide internet access to schools and Libraries. Since there is zero oversight, the program is wrought with fraud and waste.
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | Wrong Audience Government isn't going to do squat to increase broadband availability. It will most likely make the situation worse.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | I know what ails the rural broadband market. There is no money in it, the great unwashed can't afford it and I don't want to pay for it.
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. There is no money in giving rural America phones but they got 'em! | |
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Dominokat
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Boothbay, ME
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. Universal Service Fund!!!! We all pay into it. What is it for? Help tel cos cut cost to deploy into the rural areas. (Oh, I forgot. It is a fund used to lobby against deployment to rural areas. AKA: Slush Fund) | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. said by Dominokat :Universal Service Fund!!!! We all pay into it. What is it for? Help tel cos cut cost to deploy into the rural areas. (Oh, I forgot. It is a fund used to lobby against deployment to rural areas. AKA: Slush Fund) It is for POTS the last regulate vestige of Ma Bell days. The great unwashed can get POTS.
I know USF, Verizon New Jersey pays millions upon millions and gets back ZERO. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. The company I work for will not reimburse home office users for satellite because it's no better than dial-up for VPN use. So no, it's not usable for all necessities. | |
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LoneGreyWolf
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Bath, NY
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| Not to mention that when your a family of seven, five of those seven being in school, that FaP comes up very quick.
For a normal sized family, say a family of 4, it may be usable, but with my family of 7, satellite wouldn't be feasible.
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| said by djrobx :I can absolutely see the need to subsidize telephones. Why? Do we subsidize other utilities? | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. said by rradina :said by djrobx :I can absolutely see the need to subsidize telephones. Why? Do we subsidize other utilities? Yes, electricity was the first.
»www.usda.gov/rus/electric/
The Bell System used to subsidise local service with long distance. Now the government taxes US to subsidise local service. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. This sounds decidedly different from USF. USF is a subsidy to offset the apparent high cost of delivering communications to sparsely populated areas. The link you cited mentioned loans to fund the development of rural electric infrastructure. A loan is a lot different than the outright USF welfare program.
This following FAQ entry was also in the linked site and all I can say is RIGHT ON! If you want to live in the sticks and enjoy a modern convenience, be prepared to write a check!
Question: I want to build a house out in the country where I have bought some land, but the electric cooperative/utility wants to charge $20,000-$50,000 to get a line out to me. Does USDA Rural Development have a program to help pay for the connection?
Answer: The cost for connection to a home or business is an issue between the utility and the individual concerned. Working with neighbors and the utility concerned may be the best approach to resolving the connection problem. If it can be demonstrated to the utility that there is growth potential that will level out the fixed costs, the utility may be willing to share more of the initial outlay for connection.
Why is this different for phone and why don't we have the same response for high speed network connections?
What is the mindset of people that always want someone else to help them pay for their stuff? | |
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| said by batterup :There is no money in it The real problem is there are no Votes in it. What really needs to happen is the formation of a large lobby organization like the National Rifle Association. Believe me if there was a large block of votes out there which could be won by the deployment of broadband in the country side politicians would look like a gaggle of fatties trying to fight their way through an open door way to get to a TV camera to be the first to announce resolutions, bills, and money to get broadband deployed to the country side started big time before the next election. 
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. said by Transmaster : The real problem is there are no Votes in it. If there were enough people for a vote to make a difference there world be enough people to make it profitable. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. No, it's profitable. They just don't think it a big enough profit. They'r making plenty of profit off of our phone lines. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. said by Nuts :No, it's profitable. They just don't think it a big enough profit. They'r making plenty of profit off of our phone lines. Universal Service Fund. | |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Hollywood, FL
clubs: | Damn... I thought I was on crack or somethng..
Do you have that quote on speed dial or something for every article??
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MrMoody
Under the black helicopters
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
·Embarq
| said by batterup :There is no money in it, the great unwashed can't afford it and I don't want to pay for it. There must be some money in it because Embarq is doing it.
I know several people who are beyond the reach of DSL and cable. They are not mountain men living in cabins miles from the nearest neighbor as some telcos and some here seem to assume. They want broadband and can afford it, but had the misfortune of having their small telco bought up by a big one with no interest whatsoever in rolling anything out to lower density areas, smaller towns or any place with less than six-figure incomes.
As far as moving to get broadband, there's a huge difference in paying $100/month for broadband and $1-2K/month+ additional for any place with a yard or becoming an apartment dweller when they're used to having more living space and a yard.
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| Edward1978
join:2007-07-23
De Soto, IL | Wow, thanks for calling rural america "whitetrash". Plus, how would you know they wouldn't pay for it? | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: I know what ails the rural broadband market. said by Edward1978 :Wow, thanks for calling rural america "whitetrash". Plus, how would you know they wouldn't pay for it? They can't afford POTS unless I pay for it. I'll be damned if I will pay for high-speed porn. | |
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RchrdEllis
join:2007-06-11
Narberth, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Air Conditioning? Maybe electricity was not available in the 40's and 50's, but Air Conditioning?
I remember being in a well to do family and in the mid 1960's we got home air conditioners. My father worked for Philco (who made some of the best ones of that era) and it was only because of his upper level management position that he got them.
Most major department stores were not air conditioned. Sorry, but I think that people are forgetting the timeline regarding technological advances. It's great to presume that just because something is available, it should be available in all areas. Cable TV hasn't hit every rural locale, and DSL has distance limitations from a Central Office. If someone is five miles away from it and no cable company has strung 15 miles of cable to service less than 50 homes, what is the alternative? Satellite? | |
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join:2006-10-19
USA | Re: Air Conditioning? Satellite sucks for everything except web browseing at it even sucks at that alot of the time. | |
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join:2007-06-11
Narberth, PA | Re: Air Conditioning? Exactly my point! | |
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tim_k
Buttons N Bows
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join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
| No FIOS for me Accordingly, Verizon PA is directed, at a minimum, to deploy broadband at a
speed of at least 1.544 Mbps in a linear manner in accordance with the following
schedule:
2004 50%
2006 60%
2008 70%
2010 80%
2012 90%
2015 100% Well, I can't wait to get my 1.5M service in 2015 
»www.teletruth.org/docs/PennThomasMotion.pdf
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join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| Re: No FIOS for me You can get DSL a lot quicker than that in PA.
BFRR (Bona fide retail request). 50 people in your Customer service area or 25% whichever is less. Contact the DCED »www.newpa.com/default.aspx?id=15
Luc Miron is the contact that I had, my community was the first to use the legislation and I do have DSL at my home now. | |
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tim_k
Buttons N Bows
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join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA | Re: No FIOS for me I filled that out awhile ago. There aren't too many people around me. Probably more cows then people. I may need to post that link on the local website and see if anyone else will sign it.
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join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| Re: No FIOS for me PM me if you need any suggestions. I went door to door, set up a stand at our community yard sale, but the newsletter finally did the trick. You can have 5 people in your customer service area and if 25% of them sign up you they have to deploy the service.
Your CSA boundary if basically the distance away from the CO or RT to get at least 1.5mps speed. If you are not close enough they have to deploy a remote terminal. | |
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join:2006-10-15
Boon, MI | I'm 2 mi from the nearest service area. Yay me! All i need is a loop extender. Then I would be within range along with everyoen in my area. | |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Typical politician, streaching the truth to make a point "Having access to broadband in even the most rural areas of our country is as important as getting that electricity to them and air conditioning to them back in the 1940s and the 1950s."
We did not get AC until about 1960, and we lived in town (had a swamp cooler before that). And around here, most people in my part of suburbia still have swampers (I have an AC unit).
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Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | Re: Typical politician, streaching the truth to make a point what the hell is a swamper? | |
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Complete Your Transaction
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clubs: | Re: Typical politician, streaching the truth to make a point thanks. | |
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Short cut terminology for Swamp Cooler (see ropeguru's post for more details on what a swamp cooler is). Works ok unless you have lung issues like allergies, emphysema, etc, AND if the outside air is under 15% humidity. Hope this helps.
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Atekido
join:2002-08-25
Van Buren, AR
·Windstream
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| same thing here in crossett only one Broadband ISP. Windstream Crappy as heck. if you dont get with them or your not in dsl range. sattelite is your only option.
our entire state government needs to be stripped from their positions. and get some people in who will bring arkanas into the Broadband age. | |
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join:2004-09-08
Altus, AR
·Windstream
| Re: same thing here in crossett said by Atekido :only one Broadband ISP. Windstream Crappy as heck. if you dont get with them or your not in dsl range. sattelite is your only option. our entire state government needs to be stripped from their positions. and get some people in who will bring arkanas into the Broadband age. Amen brother! Lets keep the corporations out of our court houses and out of the White House.! | |
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NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| Am not taking the telco's word at face value! I hate to say it, but i've heard the same story time and agian that the ILEC's have promised broadband service in the rural areas by a time scale that was probably made by using a ouija board and some dice.
Hrmf.
Until I see the permits being applied for and surveyors marking the right of ways for the cable and RT's, I will stay ever the pessimist and the telcos in my sights.
They have rolled us time and again with their loaded promises, wanting subsidized allotments, deregulation, or anything that would line their pockets with the green shit, only to walk away saying they don't have the time or money to fulfill their promise. We learned that the hard way when then-Prez Clinton gave them nearly 8 digits in subsidies to improve their infrastructure. What do they have to show for it so far? Nothing tangible, only a few places that actually benefited from it, the rest of the money simply disappeared with a tangled paper trail to follow. | |
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USA
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August 30th, @08:25PM
| State access After the last thread I thought it prudent to check it all out. Now, it's hard for me to know what's going on with the State DSL line that is supposed to be better than average...
Signed up with the local library, I'm a sucker for books anyway and so is my Daughter. I decided to see if the connect was actually faster, as described in a previous post.
It's hard to tell, because it seems like the actual systems are slower than the proposed net connect @ least at the library. If in fact the speeds are quicker, it's moot with the systems used, perhaps, heck I don't know.
Would it not be fantastic if reality hit home with legislator's? I won't hold my breath for Arkansas innovative concepts. BUT, one would think with UCA, UALR, UAMS and Harding Universities; something could alter the course of progress into the future? I mean these Universities are high $ investments ~Why are the great minds of the future sacrificed to the god, Politics. There is also Monticello, but I won't hold my breath on that either.
For goodness sake, lets move FORWARD! It's possible, reachable so why the heck is decent broadband such a problem around here!
OooPs, FAYETTEVILLE's University might slice & dice me if I don't mention them
SIX after market educational institutions and another Pulaski Technical College...They don't have a need for decent internet at home? That's without the on line school concept the State really tries to fight off. Including it seems the University students, aside the home schools....Home schools are growing and will soon be a force to be reckoned with, some politicians may have already experienced that, if not there will be a lower vote in the future for those that don't face that reality! | |
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Rural Broadband: Yet More Hearings, No Action
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