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This planet would probably be a better place if SCO no longer existed.
But this whole "war on porn" that they are trying to start tries to make it sound as if porn is more deadly than tobacco, smoking, driving, breathing, eating trans-fats and sniffing Elmer's glue put together.
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| Re: Wow... said by pnh102  :But this whole "war on porn" that they are trying to start tries to make it sound as if porn is more deadly than tobacco, smoking, driving, breathing, eating trans-fats and sniffing Elmer's glue put together. None of which has ever done me any harm......HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA  | |
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Yes, it is, as none of these things makes people perceive others as objects.
So does posting anonymously. Your point was?
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| Re: Wow... said by spike852 :said by AnonymousPerson :
Yes, it is, as none of these things makes people perceive others as objects.
So does posting anonymously. Your point was? And from school at that
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| Re: Wow... said by SRFireside :said by spike852 :said by AnonymousPerson :
Yes, it is, as none of these things makes people perceive others as objects.
So does posting anonymously. Your point was? And from school at that \do your homework! Probably a L.U.G. working on her major in feminist studies.
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It's a slippery slope to censoring this and that.
The .xxx domain was the smart idea.
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They can share it with the Parent's Television Council.
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1 edit | Can't you see? And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America
I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes. | |
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I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation!
If you've got children, that's your job. It came with the decision of having sex and creating life. | |
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I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation!
If you've got children, that's your job. It came with the decision of having sex and creating life. That's part of the problem, with more and more mothers working and not staying home with the kid(s) (with the father working too), there is not the level of supervision that was available 20-50 years ago. The availability of porn is much higher now as well. I think any tool that can be made readily available, should be utilized as we (parents) cannot be there 100% of the time. Public places like Internet Cafe's and Library's should be able to easily filter their traffic...
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| Re: Can't you see? said by manfmmd :[That's part of the problem, with more and more mothers working and not staying home with the kid(s) (with the father working too), there is not the level of supervision that was available 20-50 years ago. The availability of porn is much higher now as well. I think any tool that can be made readily available, should be utilized as we (parents) cannot be there 100% of the time. Public places like Internet Cafe's and Library's should be able to easily filter their traffic... If you don't have the time or money for kids, don't have them. It's really that simple.
I don't want/need a nanny state because people can't figure out birth control.
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| Re: Can't you see? I absolutely agree. Nothing burns my ass more that seeing a family of 10 in Wal-Mart using their "LoneStar Card" (The Texas version of food stamps) to buy Prime Rib, T-Bones, Seafood, etc.
The only other thing that burns my ass is.....a flame about 3 feet high.
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| Re: Can't you see? said by nixen :Just because you couldn't control the fire in your loins enough to keep from squeezing out rugrats doesn't mean the rest of us should be held accountable for your absentee parenting. I hope you aren't referring to me... I take care of my kids and monitor their online activity, everything leaving my internet connection is logged and filtered.
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| Re: Can't you see? said by manfmmd :said by nixen :Just because you couldn't control the fire in your loins enough to keep from squeezing out rugrats doesn't mean the rest of us should be held accountable for your absentee parenting. I hope you aren't referring to me... I take care of my kids and monitor their online activity, everything leaving my internet connection is logged and filtered. Yeah, once I posted that, I thought, "maybe I should have put 'the collective you' in parentheses".
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| said by manfmmd :That's part of the problem, with more and more mothers working and not staying home with the kid(s) (with the father working too), there is not the level of supervision that was available 20-50 years ago. So, now it's the government's job to babysit children which parents planned to have without supervision? I mean...I thought being with the child was part of good parent planning, or did I miss something?
I can understand state-provided access spots like Librarys using filters, but what's wrong with an internet cafe offering unfiltered broadband? Most consumers there aren't looking for kiddy-blocks. | |
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| Re: Can't you see? said by Thaler :said by manfmmd :That's part of the problem, with more and more mothers working and not staying home with the kid(s) (with the father working too), there is not the level of supervision that was available 20-50 years ago. So, now it's the government's job to babysit children which parents planned to have without supervision? I mean...I thought being with the child was part of good parent planning, or did I miss something? I can understand state-provided access spots like Librarys using filters, but what's wrong with an internet cafe offering unfiltered broadband? Most consumers there aren't looking for kiddy-blocks. When "kids" can go in and plop down cash to get internet access, it needs to be filtered. We don't allow them into theatres without ID on R-Rated movies...why should unfiltered internet be different? Show ID and you get unfiltered access, no ID, you get filtered.
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| Re: Can't you see? "We don't allow them into theatres without ID on R-Rated movies"
We can if we want to. The ratings code is a guideline and carries no legal weight. The MPAA is a private organization and has no legal authority at all. A theatre can let a six year-old into an NC-17 movie if they wished. Sure, they'd be open to a lawsuit, but in our current litigious culture, they could also get sued by NOT letting the kid in (though I seriously doubt the latter suit would be won...). | |
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| said by manfmmd :When "kids" can go in and plop down cash to get internet access, it needs to be filtered. We don't allow them into theatres without ID on R-Rated movies...why should unfiltered internet be different? Show ID and you get unfiltered access, no ID, you get filtered. Most unfiltered internet cafes I've seen won't allow single children to use their stations, or require some kind of parental consent sign-off. Of course, that was a while back, and I haven't stepped into an internet cafe in a long while.
Put it this way, if I was paying a fee to access the internet, as an adult, I should be able to view it in all its glorious splendor. I probably won't, but I'm not paying money for a filter to tell me what I can and can't see. | |
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| Re: Can't you see? I'm not saying that adults shouldn't be able to view whatever they want to view. I'm saying that we should be able to have tools available to us to allow for easy filtering of content that is or can be considered not appropriate for kids and that the parent be able to USE these tools. Not the ISP, not the Government. Me, the PARENT.
As technology grows and becomes more complicated we need to tools to be able to properly police our children's activities.
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| said by Karl Bode : If you've got children, that's your job. It came with the decision of having sex and creating life. I have to agree. Let the parents decide what their kids can and can not do. I don't want my kids to watch porno so I lock down the computer, I use the paretial controls on the TV and I monitor what my kids do. Why do I need the government or private company telling me how to parent? | |
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I wonder how many of these people complaining let their kids have a PC in their bedroom? Or don't take the time to understand how the PC works in order to properly secure and monitor home PC use? | |
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| As a rule, one sees what one wants to see. Generally speaking, one places one's own fears and beliefs into everyone else; it's called "projecting". What you fear in others is what you fear in yourself. What you believe you see in others is what you see in yourself. The people who blame some "addiction" to whatever are those who feel that addiction within themselves. They believe themselves to be "evil", therefore everyone else is.
These people don't see something natural and delivered from God as being good, but instead try to warp God's work into something evil. Just another case of the moral majority minority trying to impose their will on everyone else in order to validate their own lack of faith in God
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La Porte, TX | Re: Can't you see? LOL, I see it now. Oh honey. I'm so sorry. I promise i wont do it anymore. This is my last coffee.
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| Re: Can't you see? said by Krusty1001 :And all of these horrible things are caused by pornography? Who knew?! "I didn't want to get that abortion, but after watching some porn, I just couldn't help myself!" They're both fruits and, if used correctly, can both be used to injure or kill.
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| And all the evils you mention are directly tied to pornography, right? No middle ground here because porn is the causation of all these social ills, eh?
Just curious, has anyone ever accused you of being gullible?
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| Re: Can't you see? You are correct. It plays a factor in a lot of these social ills, not necessarily the primary factor all of the time, but indeed a factor! And how is creating an .xxx domain forcing legislation? It does not block the content, but rather, it gives parents the ability to block it and protect their kids! | |
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| Re: Can't you see? OK.
So how pray tell , do we enforce this on the WORLD WIDE WEB , the law itself would be a US based law ?
I really need this answered ! This could solve the worlds economic issues.
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| Re: Can't you see? said by BosstonesOwn :OK. So how pray tell , do we enforce this on the WORLD WIDE WEB , the law itself would be a US based law ? And here ladies and gentlemen is the bigger question. Why even bother debating the morality of doing something that is not possible to do? Pron was available long before the Internet, yet when I was much younger I didn't have any problems getting it. We as a society need to let parents parent, not do it for them. I do not want my money wasted like this.
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| said by phiber :And how is creating an .xxx domain forcing legislation? It does not block the content, but rather, it gives parents the ability to block it and protect their kids! And how will the porn sites get on the XXX domain? Some will go of their own volition, but most will likely keep their .com domain name or register .XXX domain names to go with their .com domain names. Without legislation to force them onto it, all .XXX does is give a little more money to the registrars. With legislation, it's still ineffective because most porn sites originate from outside the USA. (US Federal law doesn't apply in China.) | |
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| said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... By your logic anything that is different now then 50 years ago could be blamed for your perception that our society is falling apart ( which it's not, your just a quack with a "THE END IS NEIGH" sign, just in case you didn't know ).
So list of things that are to blame for the breakdown of western culture:
Microwaves
Color TV
Satellite TV
Moon Visitation ( I like this one! It's Moon Virus! MOON VIRUS! )
Women Working
Black people gaining civil rights
Fuel Efficient smaller foreign cars
Less Fuel Efficient American cars on truck frames
cellphones
internet
Vietnam war
Moon VIRUS!
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| Re: Can't you see? said by Maxo :[ As a parent I work every day to keep my kids from being exposed to harmful subject materiel. Pornography is hardly the worst thing out there I have to worry about. I spend more time worrying about how to keep my kids from being caught in the overconsumption, McKid mentality. This is a much more harmful battle that needs to be fought more vigorously. Well said.
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| Wow, I don't even know where to start with this one.
said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America Divorce is up because it is easier to do it and it doesn't have the moral stigma it had years ago.
As for child abuse, it is much more prevalent now than before because standards have changed. Spanking your child was acceptable until idiots decided to go further and start chaining them up to beds and locking them in rooms. Add to that, the sexual abuse of kids is climbing because of a) kids and parents actually going to the police and b) molesters not going to jail for long periods of time for their first offence.
Abortions were illegal but now are legal so people don't have to do the back alley thing and will survive the procedure.
said by phiber :I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes. Problem is who is to say what measures should be taken? Who are you to say how I raise my child?
If you have a computer in the house, then it needs to be secured and in a place that the child can be monitored. Anything less and you have only yourself to blame. It's like leaving the car keys out where a teenager can pick them up and use the car without permission.
I do support libraries that want to do some filtering but they should be turned off for adults and kids should have a separate area for library internet access. | |
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| Re: Can't you see? said by moonpuppy :I do support libraries that want to do some filtering but they should be turned off for adults and kids should have a separate area for library internet access. It's all or nothing. Filter or no filter EVERYWHERE.
You can't have it both ways.
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1 edit | Re: Can't you see? said by gateguy :said by moonpuppy :I do support libraries that want to do some filtering but they should be turned off for adults and kids should have a separate area for library internet access. It's all or nothing. Filter or no filter EVERYWHERE. You can't have it both ways. Yes, you can. Libraries won't lend out certain books to minors, why shouldn't they restrict what some minors can see on the internet?
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| said by gateguy :It's all or nothing. Filter or no filter EVERYWHERE. You can't have it both ways. Bullcrap. If the internet is offered at your library, then it is for your business there at the library. They can chose to use whatever filters they want that they feel keeps users goal-orientated. For a free service, they aren't obligated to offer you an unfiltered internet. Either take your kid-friendly WiFi there, or go somewhere else to download your porn. | |
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1 edit | said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America Sorry those things existed for THOUSANDS of years before porn. 50-100 years ago victims of rape and child abuse didn't talk about it so they suffered in silence. Doesn't mean there was les of it. You are soooo ignorant.
I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes.
First of all, PARENTS should be parenting the kids not the government.
Secondly these law will NOT protect children. You're just drinking the kool-aid they are feeding you. You don't like porn then don't view it. Who in the hell are you to dictate how other adults live their lives?
China and Iran ban porn. You think rape and child abuse are less there? You are free to move to either if you want to feel safer. NOW LEAVE!
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| Hmm.
Divorce
Rape
Child molestation and abuse
Lack of long meaningful relationships
Abortions
And an increase of this is all directly attributable to the availability of porn?
I suppose it couldn't possibly have to do with a general decline of moral values in the country related to numerous other issues. The part I find strange is the fact that in the "Bible Belt"--an area in which I live and presumably the most religious region of the U.S. has divorce rates that are among the highest in the country.
Please cite credible resources that link all of the aforementioned social problems to availability of on-line porn. . .
It's one thing to blame the ills of society on something you may personally object to, but sooner or later, someone's going to ask for indisputable proof of your claims.
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| It's pretty plain and simple if you ask me. Over the years society has simply been diluted because an increasing number of lower income, undereducated couples continue popping out children left and right. It is these couples that tend to get divorced (if married at all) and/or that have no regard for responsible parenting. Unfortunately it is the higher income, educated couples of society, which tend to practice responsible parenting and get married (or at least stay committed to one another), that are losing the procreation battle. Of course this is a very broad statement, and, yes, I realize that there are some lower income, undereducated couples that do stay together and are responsible parents, but lets not kid ourselves of the general trend here.
My question... what the hell ever happened to only the strong survive? That still seems to be the golden rule in the rest of the animal kingdom. Why the hell is it that the "strong" in our society, in general, feel this incessant need to help the "weak"? I mean really, it is only perpetuating the problems of society and in my opinion will eventually lead to the downfall of modern civilization.
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1 edit | Re: Can't you see? said by Dryvlyne :Unfortunately it is the higher income, educated couples of society, which tend to practice responsible parenting and get married (or at least stay committed to one another), that are losing the procreation battle. How do you explain Hollywood? Those actors and actresses, are in a higher income tax bracket. Plenty of them are married and divorced in a months time or less with the marriage annulled.
How many of these educated couples of society are on their 5th, 6th or more marriage? Responsible parenting? Not when their kids are busted for drug use or attending rehab for the uptheenth time. O-j was really committed wasn't he? How about Robert Blake? Mike Tyson, Kidd Rock? Bush's daughters, the Kennedy tribe? Alex Baldwin?
Lower income, undereducated kids look to the NFL, NBA, MLB players as role models, same goes for rappers and drugged out "rock stars". Naturally the press broadcasts every bad habit of these people, so the kids want to be just like their "heroes".
said by Dryvlyne :My question... what the hell ever happened to only the strong survive? Absolutely nothing. Are you an RIAA cheerleader?
My question... how the does it make a strong man weak by helping a fellow man out in his time of need or weakness, when the weaker man needs a strong helping hand to regain his strength?
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| said by fireflier :It's one thing to blame the ills of society on something you may personally object to, but sooner or later, someone's going to ask for indisputable proof of your claims. Proof??
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| said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America All of this because of PORN!!!
Seriously, though, if porn has an influence in any of these things, it's minimal. Divorce rates were lower 50 years ago because a woman couldn't survive without being married to a man. Plus, a divorce was harder to obtain back then. Nowadays, a woman is perfectly able to make her own way in the world without a man's help.
In addition, marriage itself has been seen as more temporary and less serious by the past couple of generations. 50+ years ago, you married someone and stayed with them no matter what they did. Nowadays, you can drop by Vegas, get hitched, figure out that you're not compatible, and get divorced all within a couple of days. None of this is thanks to porn.
Rape, molestation and child abuse have sky rocketed because of increased reporting. If a woman was raped 50 years ago, she didn't have much recourse. Getting the rapist arrested and punished was a long shot. Most likely, he'd claim it was consensual, would be believed and she would be looked upon as the town slut. As bad as it seems, it was better for her to keep quiet about it than to risk the public shame.
Nowadays, we've (mostly) gotten over the "she must have been asking for it" syndrome so rapes are more easily reported and prosecuted. Same goes for molestation and child abuse.
As for the decline of the family dinner table and long meaningful commitments, I blame a couple of things (none of which are porn). 1) Rising costs of living force both spouses to work. This means that things are more rushed at home and families have less time for each other. 2) People see celebrities have quickie marriages and even quicker divorces so they start to think that that sort of behavior is normal.
Finally, your abortions stats are a bit off. In 2003, there were just over 850,000 abortions, not the million plus that you claimed. The data that I found only shows back to 1973 (when abortion became legal), but the 1973 number appears to be about 600,000. This, combined with the following quote:
After 1973, legalization of abortion led to an approximately ten-fold increase in the total number of abortions.
leads me to believe that the reason there are so many more abortions today than 50 years ago is that abortion is safe and legal now instead of unsafe and illegal.
said by phiber :I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes. There are good and bad ways of protecting children from seeing things they shouldn't see. Parents can install filters. Parents can talk with their kids (that family values talk you mentioned earlier). Parents can put the computer in the family room instead of in the kid's room. See a pattern? Parents taking action instead of the government trying to legislate actions for everyone to take. | |
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Hercules, CA | Stop Porn? Ha Ha Ha! LMAO! Aint happenin! | |
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join:2002-02-07
Yonkers, NY
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3 edits | just what kind of a weak agrument is this? "When a company is forced to terminate an employee for viewing Internet pornography, filling the void left by the terminated employee can prove to be difficult. The loss of a key employee can have a long-lasting effect on a company and even send smaller companies into tail-spins from which they can never recover."
And that's the government's fault how? Your employee is surfing for porn at the office and that becomes the problem of the whole world internet community? Uh.. no.
SCO -> Another stupid group of dumbasses who think they know better than everyone else... and worse, want to legislate their point of view into everyone's life.
Ha! And of all places, Utah! One of the most f****d up states in the USA. Has anyone checked to see what's in their water supply lately?
Where's the outcry regarding the constant high level of violence in all forms of media, be it entertainment or news? Where's the outcry about how viewing acts of violence on a regular basis desensitizes people (especially children) to terrible nature of violence in all it's forms? But nooooooooo... let's ban sex instead. Sex is bad. Images of boobies might just give young Timmy a boner, and what is he to do about that? His PARENTS may have to talk to young Timmy, and lordy knows they don't want to do that.
Yet, we'll gladly put images of fighting, murder, war and death on the tube 24/7 and if little Timmy grows up and beats his wife or kills his teacher, well, that's societies' fault.
America, land of the dumbass, home of the politically-correct stupid.
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| Re: just what kind of a weak agrument is this? yeah I read that and wondered why that was there too. I guess I will stop viewing pr0n and start stealing from it instead. At least that way if I am fired for stealing and not for viewing porn the company wont have THAT big of a lose. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Why is surfing porn a problem at work? Its the businesses fault for firing the worker, not the workers. There is the 1st amendment. | |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | capitalism rules this is amusing. the reason nothing is ever done is because to many large, legitimate, blue chip corprations make to much money from porn. | |
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Ralph Yarro »www.uita.org/images/yarrobreakfast1.jpg
Ralph Yarro III is on the left, Richard Nelson of UTC is on the right. Yarro even LOOKS like a schmuck.
»www.uita.org/press/2006/031606.htm
``Yarro also advises business people to be relentless and fearless in their creativity, and to continually increase their ability to tap the “right brain” and “think outside of the box.”``
He should take his own advice.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| Re: Ralph Yarro He looks like a p3dophile too !
Bet he has a huge pr0n collection and just wants to bootleg it in Utah to provide more money for SCO to sue with.
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| I like the line about... porn being financially burdensome... really...? have these people seen who is making the most money from porn...? how about the dirty little secret that GM makes a ton of money from porn and never puts it into their financial statements to their stockholders... how about marriott and time warner just to name a few... porn is an $11 billion dollar a year business... the only thing that makes more money than it does is the oil industry and the illegal drug trade... I'd personally like to see porn relegated to it's own domain or port set, but even if that happens, I really don't think it will change a thing overall...
Just because people want illicit things doesn't make it right and the fact that big name branded companies are swimming along with these types of illicit industries for a profit makes it all that more seedy... i don't mind anyone or any company making profit, that is the american way afterall, but at least be out in the open about it and don't hide that shit from your stockholders and make yourselves out to be goody-two-shoes white bread, we all love you companies... | |
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Sterling Heights, MI
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| We are people going to understand? The Internet is a global medium and no one country can regulate it. The people who come up with these wonderful ideas don't even start to understand the costs in complying with their demands.
I'm sorry, but any ISP fool enough to cave into their demands might as well close its doors. Once they get their foot in the door they will own you. Do as we say or else.
Sure, all of these ideas sound wonderful, but in reality there are many problems. Who decides what is right and what is wrong? When it comes to information that shouldn't be a government or organization's job, it should be the job of the individual and the parents.
We have millions of laws to enforce ten commandments to enforce the golden rule.
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs: | Meh The harder you try to keep something away from kids, the harder they try to get at it.
This is pointless.
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join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA | Re: Meh Truer words were never spoke. Of course, you could replace "kids" with "people" and it would be more universally true... and still pointless.
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA | One comment I don't understand... Was about the employee being terminated for watching porn. I mean, isn't that the company's job to make sure that stuff is filtered properly? They'd have to do it anyway for productivity reasons. | |
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| Porn ain't the only problem in the world As soon as the vice of professional sports is addressed by taxing, banning children watching boxing and other violent sports and stopping local governments from pissing all over themselves building sports arenas. Stop the Sports Mafia!
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|  Ralph Yarro: it is NOT about porn
Yarro has a long history of enriching himself at the expense of others. He was ousted (together with Brent Christensen and Darcy Mott) from the Canopy Group for misappropriating about $20M via self-serving circular deals while Ray Noorda suffered from Altzhheimer's - Check groklaw.net for the details of that episode.
Yarro's attempt to extort money out of all Linux users while claiming (and never be able to actually prove) that Linux has IP that belongs to SCO was another sad episode. The plan was that IBM would settle for hundreds of millions. The plan didn't work. SCO had nothing and IBM decided to fight the empty allegations.
Now that the legal avenue for self-enrichment seems hopeless, Yarro has turned to legislation (can these Utah congressmen be so dense?) in order to enrich himself.
CP80 will be the middle-man for extracting fees from compliance with the "anti-porn" rules. Simply put: this is Utah taxpayer money lining the pockets of Mr Yarro.
All the above is strong opinion based on observing the history and past adventures of Mr Ralph J Yarro III
Please do your own homework before falling for these shenanigans. | |
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| Re: Ralph Yarro: it is NOT about porn said by Vikram Gupta :
Please do your own homework before falling for these shenanigans.
SCO is a dysfunctional organization headed by dysfunctional individuals. Nothing they say is worth taking seriously. | |
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@rr.com
| New porn registry ok by me I think the idea of implementing an .xxx or .porn domain seems logical to me. It would certainly make things easier to block in schools or at work. Of course you would have to make the industry move their content from their existing domains over to the new one (and then redirect the old domain) to make this effective.
Like someone previously mentioned though, how would you regulate such a move when there is no jurisdiction to do so in other countries. Would ICAAN require the change? | |
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join:2000-09-16
Mckinney, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | Read "An Essay on the Principle of Population"
T.R. Malthus
Anyway,
Sexually explicit material has existed since man picked up the first burnt twig and doodled on a cave wall.
That said, pornography can and does cause problems with people who are already mentally unstable. That is fact, look it up if you wish.
It is neither good nor evil, it is simply there. What people choose to do with it is on them. | |
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH | Show me the money Looks like SCO found a group to further fund their Linux witchhunt. | |
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SCO Chairman's War On Porn
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