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Corona, CA
2 edits | "It's almost assumed that a building comes with it." WRONG. Nothing is assumed when buying or leasing a building for business. My 12000sqft office/mfg building is in Huntington Beach, CA which is widely served by both 5-30Mb FiOS and 15Mb Roadrunner, and NEITHER is available anywhere in our entire industrial area in North Huntington. Everyone here (thousands of businesses large and small) relies on T-1's or local WISPs like WiLogic or Covad/Nextweb for internet service. It's like assuming every building has 600AMP service. | |
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
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00000 | Near Me I have DSL Out near me. Im fine, and the connection works great.  | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| BPL! [SARCASM]Gee, I thought BPL was supposed to be saving broadband savior for the rural areas[/SARCASM] The way all of its defenders were hyping that aspect of it here on BBR, and trashing amateur radio as an obsolete service in the process, you would have thought it would be up and running by now.
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Millersburg, OH | Re: BPL! SUCK'S BPL SUCK'S | |
| wishcom
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join:2006-06-15
Spring Grove, IL
|  We addressed this problem in 2001.
We purchased one of those overpriced T-1's, distributed it amongst local businesses, and it took off from there. Now we've got 13 towers and a different upstream connection to the internet (a fiber-optic upstream at our new datacenter.)
We truly believe in a commitment to areas like ours. Even when the cable company attempted to serve our area, they failed - by not doing a single thing properly. 1) they under-delivered bandwidth, 2) they didn't pay attention to their customers, and 3) their infrastructure was far inferior to other cable companies, so service was extremely poor.
Since our beginning, we've expanded to become an all Motorola Canopy provider, and now offer speeds in excess of 10mbps. It's been a lot of work to get here, but our communities appreciate the work.
Rob A.
WishCom Internet Services
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by wishcom  :We purchased one of those overpriced T-1's, distributed it amongst local businesses, and it took off from there. Now we've got 13 towers and a different upstream connection to the internet (a fiber-optic upstream at our new datacenter.) Who supplies your FIBER connection? Money talks, you know what walks. You must be making money or you would not still be in business. | |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by batterup :said by wishcom :We purchased one of those overpriced T-1's, distributed it amongst local businesses, and it took off from there. Now we've got 13 towers and a different upstream connection to the internet (a fiber-optic upstream at our new datacenter.) Who supplies your FIBER connection? Money talks, you know what walks. You must be making money or you would not still be in business. More then likely AT&T. While I think it's great what they are doing, as of now, there are better solutions for both business and resedential users. Both comcast and AT&T serve in their coverage area as of now, and both are for the most part in this area (for the most) fairly reliable. | |
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join:2006-06-15
Spring Grove, IL
| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. yes, our fiber circuit is supplied by at&t.
and, a correction - no, att or comcast do not serve the MAJORITY of our coverage area. att and comcast don't touch the Verizon territory where we're located.
not sure why dsl or cable are a better choice considering the contracts, poor technical support, and asynchronous limitations... but if you're looking for the cheapest service available they're great. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by wishcom :yes, our fiber circuit is supplied by at&t. So anyone can get FTTP if they want it. | |
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Spring Grove, IL | Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. why would you assume that? to answer your question, no - not anywhere in this state actually. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by wishcom :why would you assume that? to answer your question, no - not anywhere in this state actually. You did. | |
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Spring Grove, IL | Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. Anyone at a commercial location can get a number of options from ATT, such as opt-e-man, gigaMAN, etc.
Not the FTTP you're thinking of though. This is not residential FTTP etc. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by wishcom :Anyone at a commercial location can get a number of options from ATT, such as opt-e-man, gigaMAN, etc. Not the FTTP you're thinking of though. This is not residential FTTP etc. Does the fiber pass places where people live? It makes cents and dollars to supply a service to people that can afford it. You have a fiber connection and you can resell that service. It makes cents for everybody. | |
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join:2006-06-15
Spring Grove, IL
| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. that's not how it works.
fttp that's available to residential locations is provisioned
completely differently than a dedicated tariffed commercial circuit, that runs directly from CO to premise.
everything is different, from the mux'es to the physical/facilities/routing/etc.
it's like saying since there's copper by your house, you should be able to get T1's and T3's, just because the copper is there. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: We addressed this problem in 2001. said by wishcom :that's not how it works. fttp that's available to residential locations is provisioned completely differently than a dedicated tariffed commercial circuit, that runs directly from CO to premise. everything is different, from the mux'es to the physical/facilities/routing/etc. it's like saying since there's copper by your house, you should be able to get T1's and T3's, just because the copper is there. No, I am saying money talks B.S. walks. You have it, anybody that wants it can get it. The problem is they want a free lunch. | |
| alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  God Help's those that Help's Themselves!
If you just bury your head, and say oh poor me, nothing will happen. It could all start with one positive person, to start the planning. | |
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madylarian
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Parkville, MD
| Small communities or developers??? Carroll County USED to be very rural. See, the reason that so much development is now going on in Carroll County is that the developers have bought up just about all the open land they oculd get their hands on in the counties closer to the urban areas surrounding Baltimore and DC. Now they have set their sights on Carroll County. Already, what had once been lovely farming communites are now cooki-cutter suburbs surrounding Wal-Marts and Targets. The only thing keeping them from completely covering the county with McMansion developments and strip malls is lack of water and lack of broadband. I hope it stays that way.
mady
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Zidane
@Level3.net
| Re: Small communities or developers??? I disagree. As a Carroll County-ian, although only of a year (we moved from Howard County for the exact reasons you speak of, so it's kind of ironic on our part) - I still want my Cable. We've been fighting with Comcast to extend the cable line to our house in Manchester. Luckly, we got the Cable Commission on our side, along with the franchise agreement. All factors in on how many houses are within the mile radius, we need 20. We should know our fate later this month.
With the laws in place denying sub-division of land plots, atleast around here, I don't see it killing a degree of rurality, by just extending broadband lines.
Anyway - for the farming community, there really isn't any farmers left. Farming isn't that profitable in these parts. | |
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kyler13
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Arnold, MD | Re: Small communities or developers??? Manchester? Good lord! You're a stones throw from PA. Of course you have to fight tooth and nail for broadband access because tens of thousands of people closer to Baltimore than you don't even have access to DSL. | |
| FightingBlue
join:2006-04-08
Warsaw, NY
| The providers just don't care. At least, not at the decision-maker levels. I've been fighting with my phone company for six months to get my load coils removed so that maybe, maybe I could get 500k to 1 meg DSL. The techs are sympathetic enough, but the engineers never actually do it. The cable company isn't willing to service a stretch of road with only 25 or so houses over the two miles between here and there, there are no WISPs in the area, and the community doesn't have much interest in a municipal solution.
It's ironic, because the providers--particularly the phone companies--could vastly expand their service area if they'd just change their hardware a little. RADSL, EDSL, adaptive loads: there's a whole host of advancements out there that could push the DSL service window out by miles and miles. They just don't care enough to actually implement any of it. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: The providers just don't care. said by FightingBlue : RADSL, EDSL, adaptive loads: there's a whole host of advancements out there that could push the DSL service window out by miles and miles. They just don't care enough to actually implement any of it. If you are willing to pay for a conditioned pair The Phone Company will provide you with one.
As for your *adaptive loads* they will allow ADSL and still boost voice over distance but will eat HDSL, HDSL2, HDSL4, G.SHDSL or ISDN signals. They also limit dial-up speed to 33 kbs.
»www.charlesindustries.com/main/S···etin.pdf | |
| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Can't argue with that "Whenever roads and sidewalks are torn up to upgrade water, sewer and gas lines, the county must take advantage of that opportunity to lay fiber-optic cable to start building a network", Lawrence Twele, county director of economic development, told the commissioners. | |
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BillG76
@swbell.net
| Sprint Broadband... I live in a very rural area... too far from town to get DSL or Cable.
I've been running an ISDN line for the past couple years (~$70/month for the line + $10/month for the ISP). I even looked into getting a fractional T1 (even a full T1) but just couldn't justify the cost - the prices are just retarded.
I've been watching Sprint's coverage for their wireless broadband, and within the past month, they must have "upgraded" the local tower so that now we're within the high(er) speed, EVDO rev A coverage area. Fortunately, I have a relatively clear line of sight to the tower (about 5 miles away) and my speeds are very acceptable. I average about 600-700kbps down and 200-500kbps up - a HECK of a lot better than ISDN (128k both ways) Cheaper, too. Now I only pay about $60/month. The only draw-back I can find is the latency is a bit slower - but very acceptable, considering the trade-off. Ranges from about 150 to 190ms. (the lowest I've ever seen was 80, but I never got that again - the conditions must have been perfect)
Sprint has made this rural dwelling american a very happy camper. | |
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