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 |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
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kudos:7 | Re: Took wrong courses in college - should have taken patent law said by Linklist:They have found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Unfortunately though finding the pot of gold has been patented. As has saving and/or spending anything that you may find.
In all seriousness though, finding the pot of gold just means that you have something to pay for all the cross licensing you'll have to have in order to create anything these days. | |
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join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA | Patent Exhaustion Ridiculous. If chip makers do not indemnify the buyers of their LTE chips, then what's the use of getting a license from Samsung? No one is going to buy chips from Intel or Qualcomm if Samsung is just going to turn around and sue them.
Sad. | |
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Patent Exhaustion said by bigboy:Ridiculous. If chip makers do not indemnify the buyers of their LTE chips, then what's the use of getting a license from Samsung? No one is going to buy chips from Intel or Qualcomm if Samsung is just going to turn around and sue them.
Sad.
Apple started this crap. If Apple didn't sue Samsung none of this would be happing. I'm happy Samsung will give Apple a taste of it's own medicine. Let's see how more IPhones Apple sells when they're limited to 3G. | |
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| |  Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | Re: Patent Exhaustion said by BF69:Let's see how more IPhones Apple sells when they're limited to 3G.
Even IF that ends up being the case, Apple will just convince buyers that 3G is better for them. There is nothing the Apple marketing department can't sell. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Patent Exhaustion In my area 3G is just as good. AT&T LTE is 5x5 here and not any better than 3G in real-world use. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Patent Exhaustion said by skeechan:In my area 3G is just as good. AT&T LTE is 5x5 here and not any better than 3G in real-world use.
LTE ping times are much better. | |
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| | | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
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kudos:7 | Re: Patent Exhaustion Actually they don't tell you what you need and don't need. They just don't give it to you and you are left to presume that you don't need it. That way, they are never wrong. | |
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join:2007-04-20
Bay City, MI | Apple can sell someone a shoe box full of shat with the Apple logo on it and I guarantee you millions will buy it. | |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | And they will be right to do so... ...if Apple uses unlicensed (either directly or through the chipset manufacturer) Samsung tech in the handset. | |
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Virginia Beach, VA |  I would...
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| |  LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | Re: I would... That won't screw them.
Apple will have to find a different alternative, which will involve large amounts of engineering / fabrication / R&D if they do it themselves. | |
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| | | | | Re: I would... You fail to realize that Apple designed most of their own custom chips, and Samsung constructs them. Apple is a very secretive company and they seldom use third party hardware not constructed with their own specifications.. | |
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join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | Re: I would... said by Anon :You fail to realize that Apple designed most of their own custom chips, and Samsung constructs them. Apple is a very secretive company and they seldom use third party hardware not constructed with their own specifications..
ask Qualcomm if that is true.
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kudos:1 | LOL...this wouldn't hurt Samsung much...keep dreamin... | |
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| | |  Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT | Re: I would... said by Cheese:LOL...this wouldn't hurt Samsung much...keep dreamin...
Yep...
Samsung Electronics..
Mobile..
Heavy Industries
Life Insurance
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join:2003-10-26
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kudos:1 | Re: I would... Exactly | |
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kudos:2 | $7.5B out of what...something like $150B in total revenue. It would suck definately, but certainly not ruinous. Samsung is well diversified. | |
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join:2001-02-10
White City, OR | What I read the other manufactures have agreement with Samsung that provide the indirect customers license for the LTE technology provided their customers dont sue Samsung.
Now that Apple sued Samsung looks like their LTE license just got revoked. Now they are infringing on Samsungs tech. Remove or disable your LTE chipset or face legal action. Oh you cannot disable it because then everyone will have a new iPhone5 I mean the new iTouch5. Probably not enough time to swap the chips to something else either without massive re-design and delays.
Samsung is the only manufacture for the iPhone's precious retina display. So far Samsung has not permitted anyone else to manufacture the retina display so I guess the next iPhone wont have such a pretty screen. Back to the standard LCD for you!
Apple exec says to other Apple exec "Hmmmm maybe we should have reviewed our relationship with Samsung a little closer before taking them to court." other Apple exec replies "Probably."
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1 edit | Re: I would... Supplier agreements, at least every one I've ever seen absolve the buyer against any patent claim stemming from the use of the purchased product (meaning the supplier guarantees that what you are describing can't happen). So if Sammy does this, those suppliers like Broadcom are up S-creek, stuck between giants Samsung and Apple. Apple would then hit Broadcom for violation of the supplier agreement. Broadcom would have to compensate Apple for any losses.
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kudos:2 | And in return, Samsung stops selling them LED screens, and other tech. Who's screwing whom here?
Apple knows it.
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join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: I would... And Samsung would be giving away BILLIONS in revenues to whatever Samsung competitor gets that business.
Samsung would only be screwing themselves. | |
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UnnDunnPremium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY | Why not sue over the iPad? Doesn't the new iPad already have LTE? Why doesn't Samsung sue based on that? | |
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join:2001-03-31
Antioch, CA | Yeah baby Go get 'em Samsung! | |
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Sahuarita, AZ |  i hate lawsuits but....
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kudos:1 | Re: LOL No, not really  | |
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kudos:48 | Re: LOL -_-
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Besides, I'm sure Apple doesn't just use LTE technology without some sort of license, of which Samsung gets a portion of the royalties. | |
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| | | Re: Don't see this ending well for Samsung or wireless carriers said by fifty nine:What do you think will happen if wireless carriers are forced to block Apple from their advanced network? Do you think the FCC will take that lightly? I doubt it.
Besides, I'm sure Apple doesn't just use LTE technology without some sort of license, of which Samsung gets a portion of the royalties.
Nothing will happen. There are a myriad of other phones out there besides iphones...but then again all of the iSheep and Apple out there will try to convince you that there are only iphones being used in the world.
If the FCC were to step for in Apple like you think...what kind of message do you think that would send?
It would be saying that the US government is giving the "OK" for Apple to violate patents with out repercussions. | |
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| LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | LOL? If people can't use LTE, they don't care! They will buy them anyways. It won't harm carriers at all. There are only a few here in the US  | |
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join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
kudos:2 | Wheel Barrow I picture some place a wheel barrow of money that just gets pushed back and forth from rooms marked, Samsung, Apple and Google. | |
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| | | Re: Wheel Barrow The problem nobody gets in all of this cheerleading is the fact that the wheebarrow full of money is coming from our pockets and being laundered through the judicial system. This just sucks! | |
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| | tcopePremium
join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
kudos:2 | Re: Wheel Barrow Now really... as we paid that money and got something for it. So at that point, it's all even. Granted, the judgement could increases prices.
The _real_ winners are the thousands of attorneys and their support staff being paid! But it's all good as those people have families. | |
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| | | | | Re: Wheel Barrow These judgements will increase prices if companies are successful in taking out competitors. Prices will inevitably go up in a market dominated by fewer and fewer players. | |
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join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1 | Come on! This is getting to be ridiculous. | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | why not sue now and get a ban on iPhone 5 sales? I don't understand why Samsung doesn't sue Apple now to begin the process of an iPhone 5 and iPad ban? Is it more painful to Apple to wait or is it more of a bluff? | |
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| | | Re: why not sue now and get a ban on iPhone 5 sales? said by morbo:I don't understand why Samsung doesn't sue Apple now to begin the process of an iPhone 5 and iPad ban? Is it more painful to Apple to wait or is it more of a bluff?
Because Google/Motorola is doing that very thing
Motorola-Google’s first patent suit against Apple seeks import ban of all major Apple devices »venturebeat.com/2012/08/19/motor···devices/
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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2 edits | Chipset makers are licensed to sell This doesn't make any sense. Chipset makers license the tech to make the chipsets and pay royalties based on how much they are selling. Ultimately Apple already paid Samsung for the tech via the royalties paid by the chipset manufacturer. The royalty is built into the price of the sets.
This would be like Apple getting sued by Camcar for having TORX screws in the phones. Of course they don't because Infastech licenses the IP from Camcar and pays royalties on everything they sell, including royalties on products sold to Apple.
Unless they are talking about something else but who makes unlicensed LTE components? Apple doesn't fab their own stuff. | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| Re: Chipset makers are licensed to sell Reuters confirms Larry Page and Tim Cook are planning "Peace Talks" via Engadget
»www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/tim-···ent-war/
Which would probably include some sort of amnesty for the patent pools that really need each other.
Stalling LTE at this point is bad for all of them.
Chill out and cross licenese. | |
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| Re: Chipset makers are licensed to sell said by elefante72:Well one three of the patents that our court of peers said Samsung infringed on are a rectangular phone, a black rectangular phone, and icons with rounded edges.
Those seem to be earth shattering billion dollar ideas. Interestingly if you watch Star Trek in the 90's they were white, so I guess apple took black
So tell me what doesn't make sense.
So you never really read the case, you just quoted the same PR Samsung has tried to feed you?
This is one of the most quoted lines, but if you read the judgement, the "rounded rectangles (though it was not that simple)", wasn't one of the rulings Apple won. | |
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| said by skeechan:This doesn't make any sense. Chipset makers license the tech to make the chipsets and pay royalties based on how much they are selling. Ultimately Apple already paid Samsung for the tech via the royalties paid by the chipset manufacturer. The royalty is built into the price of the sets.
This would be like Apple getting sued by Camcar for having TORX screws in the phones. Of course they don't because Infastech licenses the IP from Camcar and pays royalties on everything they sell, including royalties on products sold to Apple.
Unless they are talking about something else but who makes unlicensed LTE components? Apple doesn't fab their own stuff.
Not necessarily. I read that Samsung's arrangement with broadcom (the company that supplies Apple their 3g radios) was not a license, but rather a simple royalty free agreement that broadcom got to use the patents without royalty payment on the agreement that the agreement was voided for any downstream user of those chips that attempted to bring patent suit against Samsung. | |
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| | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: Chipset makers are licensed to sell Never heard of anything like that...wow. | |
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join:2000-12-03
Brandon, FL
kudos:5 | This is getting stupid...... REALLY stupid | |
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My suggestion to those who feel this to be a bad thing, pull a Syd Barrett. Disconnect, get off the grid, and hide. Samsung and Apple will both have a hard time with 3G chipsets if no one buys a cellphone or cellphone service.
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|  CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | I have a 7 year old cell phone - no smart phone, no data plan BS, no iAnything, no LTE, 4G, 3G, xxG(PDQ, XBE etc...bullsit). My wife has a phone that texts - I refuse for anyone in my household to have a smart phone - I am not going to play the games.
And I am very happy not having this crap. I can only hope that more people see that Apple is JUST like MS and all of the other companies involved in the same BS.
Wonder who ones the 'patent' on the double click of the mouse....????
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join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | Re: I have an easy solution for consumers said by CylonRed:Wonder who ones the 'patent' on the double click of the mouse....????
msft
»www.google.com/?tbm=pts#hl=en&sa···&bih=798
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join:1999-12-05
Aurora, CO | go samsung. too bad the majority of my friends that own apple think their 4S is a 4G phone.
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| | Samsung flinging remains and hoping something will stick Been reading around about this whole Samsung will sue Apple stuff.
Too bad they dont own the patent on LTE. No worries, us "iSheeps" will get our devices with LTE. | |
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 ctceoPremium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN | And yet again... Patents just don't seem to work, yet we continue to use them. When will it ever stop, better yet when will the government step in like they did when the Compact Disc was designed. | |
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Took wrong courses in college - should have taken patent law
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