  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Not like... San Francisco ever cared about the environment... | |
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 | MrHappy316Wish I had my tankPremium
join:2003-01-02
Summerville, SC | Re: Not like... I'll be there next week, Ill report back if the air and water is better there than SC | |
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| Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | They don't. They just talk like they do and then use it as a form of taxation and fleecing. It's a prop. A token. An illusion to show that they are somehow more environmentally conscience than other people and other places. There isn't a single thing that an environmental impact study does. It doesn't help the environment one single bit. It's a bureaucratic means of extracting even money from those that want to do business within the city to keep the cogs of that city greased and yet it still squeaks for more. They are completely pointless and cost us billions. | |
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| | sk1939
join:2010-10-23
france
kudos:6 | Re: Not like... There are too many wackjobs here, it drives me crazy sometimes. | |
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| | |  ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Re: Not like... said by sk1939:There are too many wackjobs here, it drives me crazy sometimes.
Yeah, many are paid by the post and by the call into talk radio shows, they really stand out on the radio though since it's plainly obvious that they're reading from a script when the host asks them something not in their script much the same way you can do to a "tech support" monkey reading from a script they refuse to deviate from no matter how may time you tell them that you don't need to power cycle the modem or restart your comp...
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 GlenQuagmireGiggidy Giggidy Giggidy GooPremium
join:2004-02-16
Grand Rapids, MI | Done? Wait, I thought U-Verse deployment was complete.
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| | | Re: Done? This particular deployment has been frozen in time. AT&T offers it to 1 million homes in San Fran and has been waiting for some time to finish their initial planned build. | |
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| | RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: Done? said by Karl Bode:This particular deployment has been frozen in time. AT&T offers it to 1 million homes in San Fran and has been waiting for some time to finish their initial planned build.
I think you mean waiting for some time to get some [more] government subsidies...
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| | |  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| Re: Done? said by Rob:I think you mean waiting for some time to get some [more] government subsidies...
No AT&T has made several attempts to provide FTTN to SF, and has been repeated block by the extreme NIMBY CULTure. | |
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| | Tobester
join:2000-11-14
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
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| said by Karl Bode: AT&T offers it to 1 million homes in San Fran and has been waiting for some time to finish their initial planned build.
Karl, I believe you mean to say deployment in the San Francisco Bay area. In the City, only two small areas have U-Verse service. | |
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| | San Fran doing a favor for AT&T AT&T should thank those tree huggers in San Fran,they are stopping them from depolying obsolete technology and thus saving them some money. | |
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 DerchPremium
join:2004-10-16
Cross Plains, WI
·Charter
| Really? said by the article :
AT&T is willing to reduce the total number of boxes used from 726 to 495
Sorry for playing devils advocate or a "sacrificial lamb for technology's sake" with this one, but wouldn't that drastically reduce the quality of service with U-Verse? AT&T is trying to offer U-Verse in my old town but are failing miserably due to the lack of cabinets in neighborhoods. | |
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| Re: Really? Tell them to bad so sad and bring those boxes to Grove OK and use em to get rural broadband to people out here in the sticks. We will gladly take the boxes if it means no more satellite internet.
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| | |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | Re: Really? said by David:said by zeddlar:Tell them to bad so sad and bring those boxes to Grove OK and use em to get rural broadband to people out here in the sticks. We will gladly take the boxes if it means no more satellite Internet.
I keep telling everyone we just need to give up and sell San Francisco. I'm rooting for the next BIG earthquake and tidal wave to bring the politically correct inhabitants back to reality.
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| | | Tobester
join:2000-11-14
San Francisco, CA | Please keep your political views about San Francisco to yourself and keep this thread on target about U-Verse in the City.
Political grandstanding helps no one. | |
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|  DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | I could see at&t's point about not putting them underground after all it's not that earthquakes don't happen in California, some people use them for alarm clocks! | |
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| | VRAD They can drop one in my bedroom if could actually get high speed internet. | |
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| | | Re: VRAD lol, they put off quite a bit of heat... unless you live in Alaska you may not want that  Plus, you'd be to close! The sweet spot is about 1k from the VRAD. | |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Why Why should they put huge cabinets for obsolete technology when comcasts docsis 3 boxes and verizons fios are smaller for more throughput?
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| amungusPremium
join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| Re: Why That's what I'd like to know too...
Surely it'd cost less to just forget the whole mess and go with fiber.
If Verizon, and most cable companies have realized this, why does AT&T insist on continuing to use a phone line for something that it was never intended to do?
It's amazing DSL works at all. Anything more than that over such a line is just a waste of time. They really should leave it be as a phone line, and focus on fiber for future services. | |
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| | DerchPremium
join:2004-10-16
Cross Plains, WI Reviews:
·Charter
| Re: Why said by amungus:Surely it'd cost less to just forget the whole mess and go with fiber.
Hell ya! I'm learning that lesson just by working with a majority of networks here in Wisconsin. It may be expensive to deploy, but the cost is worth it considering that fiber doesn't require frequent service visits to the CO or premise like copper does. | |
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| Buried.... Burying a CEV is MUCH, MUCH more intrusive in the short term... and equally as intrusive in the long term.
The hatch to a CEV (controlled environment vault) is nearly as tall and wider than the cabinets VRAD's are placed in. Plus, you'd need a crossbox which is never buried. By placing a vault (of any size) you're accomplishing nothing.... | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| DSL is Dead Isn't that what AT&T's CEO was quoted saying yesterday? Makes one wonder what he was smoking if on the one hand he says the technology is dead and on the other his company is pushing these "refrigerators" into communities.
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| Re: DSL is Dead said by n2jtx:Isn't that what AT&T's CEO was quoted saying yesterday? Makes one wonder what he was smoking if on the one hand he says the technology is dead and on the other his company is pushing these "refrigerators" into communities.
As far as ATT is concerned, there is a difference between DSL and Uverse.
The cabinets, just like the cabinets before them, are place holders. They'll be used for the next generation of service, just like the ancient 80-type, Fuji 2200/6200 cabinets and MESA cabinets before them were repurposed. These "refrigerators" are much smaller than their older bothers and sisters. | |
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| | Cost/ Benefit? I wouldn't want one of those big ugly things in my yard simply to get weak, last-gen 24Mbps internet. No Gracias. | |
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| Come on... The cost of laying down all these giant fridges probably costs more than running fiber straight to the home. Why the hell is AT&T so fixated on squeezing that last drop out of copper? Fiber is technically cheaper compared to all the patching up they're doing (mini-VRADs, pair bonding, etc) and offers a million times better service.
If you look at your last quarter performance, you'll realize hardly anyone wants your last-gen, slow internet, terrible PQ service. And that's despite having 3x the coverage of Verizon. Wake up, AT&T. | |
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|  Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | Re: Come on... Probably because its easier to terminate copper rather then fiber? Just a thought. | |
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| |  Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Re: Come on... That doesn't seem to stop Verizon at all. It might slow things down in the short run having to train techs on how to terminate fiber properly, and it might be a PITA, but once it's terminated it's golden. | |
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| |  aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
| said by Duramax08:Probably because its easier to terminate copper rather then fiber? Just a thought.
Fiber terminatons can be pretty quick too. It just depends on what type of connector you use. | |
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| | I have a home for them They can drop one in my front or backyard, we need competition in Vegas. The duopoly is OVERPRICED and the telco Centrylink has been Cherrypicking their upgrade areas for their IPTV service since summer of 2010. They have been bull$hitting me in thier "service centers" since fall of 2010 that my are will get the upgrade in "the next couple of months" meanwhile my neigborhood well inside the city limits and about 4 miles from the strip can only get 3meg service max. | |
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WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | old news maybe I thought they had quit placing the tall cabinets in most places and went with the cabinets that were just waist high.
Randy said dsl was obsolete. The questions by the author says it all.
»gigaom.com/broadband/oh-no-he-di···bsolete/
Fiber from this point out is the only real choice. Any other choice is just plugging holes in a leaky boat while still on the water. | |
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·Bright House
| Re: old news maybe They have end-dated the taller CommScope 52B cabinets. The shorter Emerson ALP-248 cabinets have been adopted because AT&T made the call that you cannot have a VRAD and lightwave multiplexer in the same cabinet. If the VRAD is to be placed in an existing hut, CEC or CEV then its ok to mix.
The 52B cabinets were nearly 6' tall, and the ALP248's are around 4'. In some cases the cross box (if its an older one retrofitted) is taller than the cabinet. | |
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