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Sandvine: 44% of Internet Traffic P2P
Now please buy our hardware to help throttle it....
According to traffic shaping vendor Sandvine, some 44% of all bandwidth consumed on networks operated by North American Internet service providers is thanks to P2P. Sandvine compiled data from several "leading" ISPs, and found that the largest consumers of bandwidth were file sharing (43.5%); Web browsing (27.3%); and streaming media (14.8%). Other usage included VPNs (5.9%); newsgroups (5.6%); online games (1.4%); and voice over IP (0.2%). Exploring upstream consumption only: P2P (75.0%); tunneling (9.9%); and Web browsing (9.1%).
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SolarPup
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Windsor, CO

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And they know this data because...

90% of the large class ISP's in the world use their hardware and report back to them?

Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com

Maynard G Krebs

Anon

Re: And they know this data because...

said by SolarPup:

90% of the large class ISP's in the world use their hardware and report back to them?
I'd feel a lot more confident about these sort of statistics if they came from an independent source, rather than a hardware vendor who has a vested interest in seeing that their equipment is widely used, or a Comcast or TWC-like company.

A source I'd trust better would be organizations like Peer 1 or a Global Crossing like network operator who only sells trunk capacity and has no vested interest in throttling residential end users.

Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA

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It's That Low?

They gotta have "their music".
moonpuppy (banned)
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

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VOIP only 0.2%?

Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses.
nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

nasadude

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Re: VOIP only 0.2%?

said by moonpuppy:

Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses.
HSI = incumbent phone or cable company in 90+% of cases.

telco doesn't like VOIP competition to landline business, hence it is "bad" and must be demonized.

cableco doesn't like competitor VOIP because they are getting into that market, hence it is "bad" and must be demonized. cableco VOIP, of course, is OK.

LeftOfSanity
People Suck.
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LeftOfSanity to moonpuppy

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to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:

Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses.
VoIP doesn't use that much bandwidth at all. Very little. Not sure what company says it does.
moonpuppy (banned)
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

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Re: VOIP only 0.2%?

said by LeftOfSanity:

said by moonpuppy:

Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses.
VoIP doesn't use that much bandwidth at all. Very little. Not sure what company says it does.
A couple of ISPs did block VOIP traffic claiming it was a bandwidth hog. One in either Michigan or Minnesota did get hit by the FCC hammer for blocking it illegally.

mod_wastrel
anonome
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Sure...

now is there any reason why I shouldn't view this "report" as simply a marketing/self-promotional tool for Sandvine?

andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario

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Re: Sure...

Thier competitor,ellacoya,says that streaming and http have surpassed p2p so who do you believe? I'd say neither of em and just scrap thier equipment since it's all done for marketing.

FicmanS
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join:2005-01-11
Brownsburg, IN

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Not sure I buy it...

Those numbers seem difficult for me to buy into 43.5% for file sharing and on the flip side .2% VOIP? O Really...?

FFH5
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Tavistock NJ

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Re: Not sure I buy it...

said by FicmanS:

Those numbers seem difficult for me to buy into 43.5% for file sharing and on the flip side .2% VOIP? O Really...?
VOIP streams can be compressed in to about 64 kbps upstream. The amount of bandwidth needed is very little. Even if the compression is not as severe, VOIP at most will use about 256 kbps. Not surprised that VOIP traffic is so low. 10 years ago, we compressed VOIP down to 32 kbps with dedicated hardware cards in our internal network. So even software based compression can easily do 64 kbps.

ISP_Guy
@jillyred.net

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to FicmanS
As someone who works for a major ISP with Sandvine's fully deployed, I can venture to say this report is probably pretty accurate. We push (at peak times) anywhere from 25-30GE/sec to our various upstream providers in my market. 30-35% is easily BT and other p2p traffic. Most the other traffic is http.

fireflier
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Limbo

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Proof?

Would Sandvine care to list these "leading" ISPs they compiled data from? How about actual traffic stats from those ISPs?

So I'm supposed to believe the claims of a company that's selling equipment to fix a problem they say exists without direct evidence the problem really exists? Did you guys know there's a special breed of Hippo that's purple? It must be true because someone said it was.

Next up: Sandvine's unverifiable numbers will be quoted by "leading" ISPs as proof that P2P is eating up their network bandwidth.

knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN

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Our Stats.


ISP Stats - WISP
Might as well mix ours with theirs right?

Based off of this week (48 GB 'gigabytes' used among all customers)

This is just the download, not the upload.

Our customers range from Clueless Grandmom to Linux Master Bob.

Note: P2P can technically fall under "other" if it's encrypted traffic
backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2

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and zero % business

This study accounts for is residential accounts and ignores all the business data that moves across the net and leads the reader to belive that 44% of the internet data is P2P.

What kind of news is this? Obivously people use their home connections to do stuff like this from home.

The fact that this study does not mention the results of residential traffic vs. the total internet data makes this a big pile of FUD

BK3
join:2001-04-10
Geneva, IL

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Where's email?

I believe that at one time I read that a very large chunk of internet traffic was email (specifically spam). Yet, I don't see a consumption percentage for email at all.
XknightHawkX
join:2003-02-13
East Peoria, IL

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Re: Where's email?

That was my question to. Where's the email. And Sandvine better never say that email was so little that they didn't measure it. There is so much spam and they seem to use pictures in almost all of it. Email isn't in the list so I say it isn't a valid list.

chronoss20081
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chronoss20081

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SaNDVINE LIES wow

how is it possible that 44% is p2p when bell throttles to point of unusability for even normal stuff, such that for ten hours or 10/24 (do the math) almost half the net is off.

Sandvine ought to be raided , arrested and jailed for hacking and exploiting and violating the privacy act of canada.
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in off case thats correct that means that of the 25 million net accounts , 11 million are using p2p

using those old 2005 stats , 5.4 million ( sept 2005)
march 2006 9.8 million ( march)
which as we are today this means that there attempts to stop it have FAILED.

MOVE on get a new career, your not needed sandvinigar

Capitalist
@cgocable.net

Capitalist

Anon

Nice brochure

Don't forget the downstream only numbers:

Web browsing and streaming have combined to overtake file sharing in terms of traffic on downstream Internet connections. As a stand-alone category, P2P file sharing is still the leader at 35.5% of traffic, followed by web browsing at 32% and streaming at 18%.

All data included in this study was gathered at the subscriber access network only. Therefore, P2P numbers (due to the nature of the protocol) will be significantly increased.

Capacity and utilization are unmentioned.

prestonlewis
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join:2003-04-13
Sacramento, CA

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No point in faster speeds . . .

If they take away our right to faster speeds, even if it's for P2P as they are claiming, what need is there for superfast speeds? Might as well stay with DSL speeds of 3,000/768 which works perfectly fine with CNN Video or YouTube. The only reason why you really need 10,000/2000 or higher speeds is for large file transfers. Most servers don't respond that quickly or even at those high speeds. Sure they'll be a few people who legitimately need fast speeds for something but the vast majority of us won't pay the high prices for fast internet if we can't use it. I guess ISPs want us all to become Slowskys.

Chiyo
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well DUH they are a hardware vendor

ok seriously why has nobody said this? They are selling hardware to ISPS to throttle connections and stuff. Its their business model are they going to say say they are wrong and push customers away from them? NO!!

either way this is just company propaganda why is this news/
centsofhumor
join:2007-01-20
Two Rivers, WI

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We should have a national NO internet use day.

Maybe they will stop complaining
lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA

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Re: We should have a national NO internet use day.

Then they'll just sell hardware to flood the ISP's network with random packets guaranteed to be identified as "P2P" packets.

Anyway, as any tech-savvy Comcast user knows, you should always obfuscate as much P2P traffic as possible, which would make those packets undetectable as "P2P", which means those numbers should be much lower right there.

Also, there's no mention of consumption versus available bandwidth. It's yet another propaganda campaign.

NetAdmin1
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join:2008-05-22

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Definitely don't trust those numbers...

When a gear vendor comes out with numbers that obviously push their product, I'm highly suspicious. We definitely need someone to confirm those numbers otherwise their results get filed under the "BS, these numbers were cooked up to sell out gear" category.

ISP_Guy
@jillyred.net

ISP_Guy

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Re: Definitely don't trust those numbers...

As someone who works for a major ISP with Sandvine's fully deployed, I can venture to say this report is probably pretty close to accurate. We push (at peak times) anywhere from 25-30GE/sec to our various upstream providers in my market. 30-35% is easily BT and other p2p traffic. Most the other traffic is http.
45612019 (banned)
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

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Is there a problem?

So? 44%, that's an interesting statistic and all, but who cares? There's nothing wrong with any type of Internet traffic.

meister_sd
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join:2006-01-29
La Mesa, CA

meister_sd

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Re: Is there a problem?

Wasn't spam accounting for something like 60% of internet traffic? I guess if you take away spam and P2P - no one is using the internet.

hanker345
@rogers.com

hanker345

Anon

Re: Is there a problem?

60% of email traffic perhaps.

I doubt you can find a source anywhere anytime that says it was 60% of ALL internet traffic
jarthur31
join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM

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Member

BS!

Those numbers are made up solely based on the fact that they decided to exclude SPAM! Don't tell me that no longer exists as of creation of that article. Remember this is about bandwidth.
nydwarf1
join:2008-04-11
St Catharines, ON

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Member

So?

So?
Maggs
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join:2002-11-29
Jackson Heights, NY

Maggs

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Here's some statistics for you.

I think 100% of the people posting here are posting to dslreports.com . Statistics are designed to lie.

fred_23
@nikor.net

fred_23

Anon

P2P consumption

To all you P2P advocates with your head in the sand...

The Network admin's already know what percentage of traffic is P2P, without the Sandvine study. P2P consumes a lot and is getting bigger every day. Its long overdue that the hogs start to pay for their share.
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