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I got a solution.Ask the Chinese to shoot the satellite down. They have the technology. | |
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 | rradina
join:2000-08-08
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Re: I got a solution.Good one! Seriously, that would be the last thing they want to do. Then it becomes thousands (if not millions) of disruptive "satellites" that could pollute the magical geosync orbital plane.
What we need is some good ole fashioned British Petroleum engineering! If they could accelerate the satellite to leave the Earth's orbit and get caught in the moon's gravity... | |
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| |  WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX |
WHT
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2010-May-25 7:28 pm
Re: I got a solution.said by rradina:What we need is some good ole fashioned British Petroleum engineering! Ummm...They don't seem to be having much luck lately. | |
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to Ghostmaker
said by Ghostmaker:Ask the Chinese to shoot the satellite down. They have the technology. Post of the day. And I agree. | |
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|  totamakAnd they call me nuts?
join:2000-10-24
Los Angeles, CA
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to Ghostmaker
Into a bunch of high speed debris (assuming they can hit a target that is over 40X the distance of their test target with enough force) which then can conveniently smash into other satellites - yeah, good plan. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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to Ghostmaker
I would suggest trying to EMP it. Although that would be hard as it's heavily shielded.
A longer term (and expensive) solution would be to send a booster rocket into to orbit to intercept the satellite and grapple it. Then the booster rocket could de-orbit the satellite. | |
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|  Omega
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join:2002-07-30
Golden, CO |
to Ghostmaker
said by Ghostmaker:Ask the Chinese to shoot the satellite down. They have the technology. You know the US has that technology too...and we can do it without causing thousands of pieces of satellite to pollute the orbits and endanger other satellites. | |
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titoyay222
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join:2005-04-27
Cincinnati, OH |
so..what are the plans (if any) to remove or repair the sat? or is that just something they let float around till it crashes or something? | |
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|  tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA |
tshirt
Premium Member
2010-May-25 7:05 pm
Re: so.. Can't be repaired (too far away) Can't (as yet) be shotdown (too far away, the chinese shootdown was a fairly low, 500 mile orbit)
This is ONE of the big dangers of a more crowded geo-sync band. and everytime another sat. has to move it uses valuable fuel shortening the life of that sat.
Best hope is some operator will use a NEAR EoL sat. to gently 'nudge' this one into a lower orbit. it will have to be a big operator with other assets in orbit to protect (using up the last year of fuel on a working sat is a very expensive choice), the danger being too hard a nudge and you have MANY hard to track debris, rather than one predictable rogue | |
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| |  hambone42Peace, through superior firepower
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join:2002-02-02
Manassas, VA |
Re: so..I was thinking the same thing. It sounds like they're probably going to use up several months' worth of maneuvering fuel on AMC-11 and SES-1 for this one event, thereby shortening their useful lives: "We have to do slight manoeuvres with our spacecraft pretty regularly, but a manoeuvre of this nature and complexity - no, I'm not aware of anyone having done this before," said Alan Young, chief technology officer with SES World Skies. Should make for some interesting liability or compensation discussions, assuming there are multiple owners involved (article wasn't totally clear on that point). | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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tshirt
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2010-May-25 10:23 pm
Re: so..Hard to do, there is NO specific liability, beyond the earth/atmoshere.
An international body has set the control of the "boxes" escentually an 100KM (each direction) of space per Sat in the clarke belt (around 22,500Mi from the EXACT center of the earth (varies every second (or less)) each sat onwer is responsible for their own sat, but exact law for rogues hasn't yet been tried.
My father-in-law spent years working on 1 of the NASA facilities that WAS tracking " manmade objects in space" only to see it shutdown (after his retirement, thankfully) for "private industry" trackers (ie using GPS, which relays on EXTREMELY accurate fixes of the earths center (gravitational versus the surface topography. (mostly checked by the Air Force now). They sort of for saw the day the clarke belt would reach the "too crowded to fail" point. | |
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| axus
join:2001-06-18
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to titoyay222
It's going to end up in the Sargasso Sea of Outer Space in a few months. It's got automatic programs to track the sun with it's solar panels, but eventually it won't be able to track anymore. Then it won't have a lot of power, and will finally stop broadcasting and go into low power mode, from which it will never wake up. | |
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join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA |
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2010-May-25 6:54 pm
Orbital WaltzMay I have this dance?  | |
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Ioweyou
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2010-May-25 7:17 pm
My IdeasI suggested having the Chinese blow it up the first day the story broke.
Another idea I have is to get on older satellite that they want to get rid of anywy moving into position and 'bump' the galaxy satellite to a lower orbit where it be out of harms way and eventually get pulled down. Yeah a few pieces may fly off but that would be better than having a 5 ton satellite smack another 5 ton satellite.
Another idea would be to catch up to the Galaxy satellite with the space shuttle, catch it and bring it home...
Another ide would be to have the space suttle catch up to it. Do a space walk over to it and attach some rockets and fir it into the pacific ocean. | |
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| tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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tshirt
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2010-May-25 8:40 pm
Re: My IdeasAgain, the shuttles MAX altitude was around 600 miles (usually around 110-230), WAY too low for the "clarke belt" that geostationary ( 22,300-22,600, on a good day) satellites reside. Besides the shuttle is WAY over committed for missions, the NASA cutoff is this year (if we are lucky, we MIGHT see 1 "extra" mission from Atlantis, in the fall)
No chance of a Geo-sync "rescue" EVER. | |
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|  digiblur
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana |
to Ioweyou
said by Ioweyou :
I suggested having the Chinese blow it up the first day the story broke.
Another idea I have is to get on older satellite that they want to get rid of anywy moving into position and 'bump' the galaxy satellite to a lower orbit where it be out of harms way and eventually get pulled down. Yeah a few pieces may fly off but that would be better than having a 5 ton satellite smack another 5 ton satellite.
Another idea would be to catch up to the Galaxy satellite with the space shuttle, catch it and bring it home...
Another ide would be to have the space suttle catch up to it. Do a space walk over to it and attach some rockets and fir it into the pacific ocean.
A fully intact satellite is easier to dodge than a bunch of pieces they can't see. One small fragment can ruin a satellite. | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK |
KrK to Ioweyou
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2010-May-25 11:28 pm
to Ioweyou
Sure. Turn one dangerous object into thousands of dangerous objects with unpredictable paths and orbits in some of the most important geo-spatial real-estate we have.
That's the WORST thing we could do. | |
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confq
join:2008-04-26
Toronto, ON |
confq
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2010-May-26 4:05 am
wowman this is very Intriguing to me! I don't know half the stuff you all are talking about but boy it sounds cool lol | |
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 SimbaSevenI Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT |
What about the Space Station?Why can't we collaborate something between the shuttle and the space station?
..or contact the Air Force and figure out what to do. | |
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| K5ING
join:2010-05-23
Krum, TX |
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2010-May-26 2:18 pm
Re: What about the Space Station?No way. The shuttle and the space station orbit a few hundred miles high, whereas Galaxy-15 is a geosynchronous satellite at around 22,500 miles high. A little out of the shuttle's reach. | |
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| | SimbaSevenI Void Warranties
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Re: What about the Space Station?said by K5ING:No way. The shuttle and the space station orbit a few hundred miles high, whereas Galaxy-15 is a geosynchronous satellite at around 22,500 miles high. A little out of the shuttle's reach. Another trip to the moon? What about a satellite maintenance mission? I'm sure a few satellite companies would be up for that. | |
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NyNexit
join:2009-11-01
Huntington, NY |
:)JAM it.... like they did in space balls.... | |
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|  aSicapplication specific
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join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL |
aSic
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2010-May-27 8:44 am
Re: :)Raspberry! | |
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| NyNexit
join:2009-11-01
Huntington, NY |
I thought it was grape..... It's been too long:) | |
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