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Saturday Postal Cuts Could Hurt Netflix
And pricey, stubborn Hollywood licensing could hurt streaming...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 31-Mar-2010 tags: Video · business · alternatives · bandwidth · content
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The U.S. Postal Service is considering eliminating Saturday postal delivery in order to help shore up their budget problems. Netflix will spend $600 million on postage in 2010, and of course Saturday delivery and higher postal prices could seriously dampen Netflix's bottom line. If only there were some conceivable way to deliver films directly to people's homes without relying on the mercy of the U.S. Postal Service? Slate (via Consumerist) argues that broadband streaming won't help, given the high prices Netflix pays for licensing:

...while instantly streamed movies obviously eliminate postage costs, they are not a cost-free proposition for Netflix. Analysts suggest that the streaming technology itself is very cheap-it costs roughly five cents to stream 90 minutes of content-but the licensing fees can be exorbitant. Netflix won't release the data on how much it pays for online licensing, but can apparently be quite expensive. Dan Rayburn, an analyst with Streaming Media, has said that he's seen some streaming movies that cost as much as $4 per play.

Of course Hollywood continues to be stingy with film licenses for streaming rentals, out of a misguided fear that streaming video will further cannibalize DVD sales. It's amazing that Netflix has developed a fairly cheap, high-quality alternative to piracy, and they may wind up struggling because Hollywood can't get out of its own way. Apparently, we're sliding backwards toward suing potential customers as a revenue stream, instead of offering those users high-quality alternatives to piracy.

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pnh102
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Netflix already paid $600 million on postage in 2010
That's a lot of postage. Perhaps UPS or FedEx would be willing to make some sort of deal with Netflix to allow them to continue their mail-based business in a similar manner?

FedEx might be an ideal choice, considering they have drop boxes at many Post Offices now.
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I spoke to Netflix support (you can't email them) about an issue and the discussion then moved to the new streaming. Netflix "prefers" you stream movies. More and more titles are becoming available. And more DVD/Roku players have Netflix access.

I see this a money for Netflix (taking out more movies, delaying titles out time...)

Only bummer is Netflix agreed with studios to wait 28 days passed retail release. Just means I wait more and watch older stuff. Lastly, I got a red sleeve from post office without the movie. Netflix received the title back and I never watched it. Now I have to wait 3 days before i can claim I never got it. Or call. Which is a hassle. (why have web presence when you can't email/chat with support on this???)

(ofcourse, if you don't have broadband, you are at their mercy...just get enough titles to cover)
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said by cableties:

I spoke to Netflix support (you can't email them) about an issue and the discussion then moved to the new streaming. Netflix "prefers" you stream movies. More and more titles are becoming available. And more DVD/Roku players have Netflix access.
Yea they seem to be getting more obscure and ancient movies that you can stream. When they start streaming more content that is recent releases then it will be more of an option. Right now it just fills gaps and helps with the kids stuff.

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said by Uncle Paul:

said by cableties:

I spoke to Netflix support (you can't email them) about an issue and the discussion then moved to the new streaming. Netflix "prefers" you stream movies. More and more titles are becoming available. And more DVD/Roku players have Netflix access.
Yea they seem to be getting more obscure and ancient movies that you can stream. When they start streaming more content that is recent releases then it will be more of an option. Right now it just fills gaps and helps with the kids stuff.
Don't expect newer stuff on Netflix streaming anytime soon.

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Sometimes it comes out the same day as the disk.

BUT the quality of streaming is no where as good as bluray, never will be.

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Sometimes it comes out the same day as the disk.

BUT the quality of streaming is no where as good as bluray, never will be.
Hate to break it to to but you are talking about digital RENTAL like Amazon and Itunes where you are paying PER MOVIE. Netflix streaming is mostly movies 10 years old or older. Good luck finding ANYTHING less than 5 years old. The studios would never let any newer movies be part of an all-you-can-eat package.

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if they did it would never cost as little as 9.99 /month
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I stream to my LG Blu-Ray player and watches both TV Series and Movies released in the last two years.

Also currently only Time Warner has the 28 day wait on new releases of Netflix and Red Box.
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Netflix has new movies, where have you been? They basically have most of the same on demand content that premium subscriptions to FIOS have.
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I think the most valuable feature of Netflix is being able to stream the movies. Generally if someone lives glued to their TV set, Netflix might seem like a drag waiting on the DVDs to come in no matter how much cheaper than Blockbuster it may be.

Personally, since I have a computer on every TV in my place and every computer has web access, I love that I can stream movies whenever I want, and the video and audio quality in the stream is very good.

And for nine bucks, it's cheaper to stream than to build a storage array large enough to hold all the stuff that I'd have to rent and rip from Blockbuster otherwise. Truly a good bang for my nine bucks per month.

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Well, the only other bummer is that you can't get subtitles, and often, the streaming content is a bit choppy.
I watch on a dedicated Media PC with a 16Mbit connection.

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Well, the only other bummer is that you can't get subtitles, and often, the streaming content is a bit choppy.
I watch on a dedicated Media PC with a 16Mbit connection.
Then you have other issues because Netflix on both my Tivo and PS3 play HD streaming without chop and I have a bandwidth limit at my edge only allowing 5Mbit to the devices.

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let me guess: you are using wireless?

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I have a Roku box connected to my 47" LCD and it streams HD movies at the highest quality with nary a single pause...and yes, that is via a wireless connection. Plus, other members of the household are often playing online games and surfing the web over the same connection at the same time. We have 7mbps RoadRunner.

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No, the system is built by me and connected via gigabit into an HP switch straight into the router.
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If it is choppy i would blaim the computer. Maybe a virus checker is running at the same time?

Increase the priority of the software used while streaming. Maybe just "iexplore". Not sure if silverblight shows up as a process. Set them to "Above Normal" and hope they don't get stuck in a loop!

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I've noticed that the slight choppiness seems to coincide with Netflix "high-usage" periods, like weekends and evenings. It sometimes smooths out after awhile.
The PC is a dual-core with 4GB RAM, RAID array and pretty good video card with HDMI. It should be able to handle Netflix
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One word - Silverlight.

It sucks in comparison to the WMV streams for several reasons, mainly the difference in bandwidth.

Xbox streams vs. PC streams are night and day, even SD. Max on WMV was about 3400KB/sec (not sure what their "HD" streams are, but I could easily find out by watching my router's bandwidth on Tomato while streaming HD).

Internet service at or above 10Mbps is plenty for Netflix at this point. Get a dedicated device and see if you notice any difference - I would bet that you do.

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That might be, I'm on Silverlight. I haven't seen an HD offerings yet. Do I have to subscribe to BlueRay to have them offered to me?
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actually, they restrict HD to "compatible devices" such as an Xbox 360
...Not sure what other devices do HD, but I'm sure if you researched a specific one you could find out.

All I know is that the streams on those look much better because they still use WMV instead

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said by pnh102:

FedEx might be an ideal choice, considering they have drop boxes at many Post Offices now.
Maybe if I had a Fedex box attached to my mailbox...

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with the USPS going down hill maybe UPS and/or FedEx boxes will become normal

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Seems like that would be a better use for the open area under my mailbox that keeps getting stuffed with local newspapers. I'm sick of having to move those directly from that useless place into my trash bin.

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said by pnh102:

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Netflix already paid $600 million on postage in 2010
That's a lot of postage. Perhaps UPS or FedEx would be willing to make some sort of deal with Netflix to allow them to continue their mail-based business in a similar manner?
I was thinking that also, but not quite sure how that would work with respect to price. Off the bat, I would assume that shipping via UPS or FedEx would be more expensive for this type of mailing.

With that said, my employer secured a deal with UPS to get a great deal on our outgoing UPS ground deliveries, which essentially serve as next-day delivery for our customers in our service areas. The deal is so attractive that we're doing about 70% deliveries via UPS as opposed to courier.

May be Netflix can work something like that out, but UPS ground does not deliver on Saturdays AFAIK, so that doesn't remove the immediate problem.

I think the future of Netflix is going to be streaming movies, although the CEO says he expects Netflix to be mailing DVDs for 20 more years. For some reason, I don't see that happening. It's going to have to be streaming, and Movie Studios are going to have to find a common ground between not charging Netflix so much for the licensing, even though they want their $ in the form of DVD sales.

My wife and I have watched about 10 movies from Netflix via streaming, and I have to say it was perfect.
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said by pnh102:

That's a lot of postage.
It's a lot of postage, but that number is actually an estimate for the entire year, not for this first quarter. Presuming it's fairly evenly spaced out (which it's probably not), it would only be 150m per quarter.

Perhaps UPS or FedEx would be willing to make some sort of deal with Netflix to allow them to continue their mail-based business in a similar manner?
Netflix states it costs them $.78/dvd, so that's ~200m DVDs/quarter or 2m/day rounded. Fedex ships 3.4m ground packages a day plus another 1.5m Smart Posts (Fedex does the long haul, USPS does the local delivery). The whole point of Smart Post is to offload local delivery of smaller packages to USPS who already are going into the neighborhoods with daily mail service. Fedex couldn't handle doing an additional 2m daily deliveries, and they definitely couldn't do it for $.78/dvd both ways combined.

Fedex and UPS are also barred by federal law from creating a first class mail service replacement which would essentially be what they would create if they started handling daily delivery of DVDs as things exist currently.
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Yea, but in this case, if the Post Office can't handle it, they ought to remove the law barring competition...

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said by jp10558:

Yea, but in this case, if the Post Office can't handle it, they ought to remove the law barring competition...
The issue surrouding the law is much more complex then just "if they can't do it the law shouldn't exist".

The issue at hand is not "can the post office handle it". The post office can handle the volume of mail. They handle 200m articles a day. The issue with the post office is whether it's economically viable to continue to run Saturday delivery. The USPS operating revenues have decreased as more and more companies switch to electronic information delivery, yet operating expense increases with inflation, transportation costs, benefits, etc. Privatizing first class delivery many experts say will just enlarge the issue, fragmenting the industry. I personally find it very hard to imagine that any company could reliably compete with the USPS both in terms of cost, delivery time, or even a fraction of the volume while keep a national delivery area.

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said by jp10558:

Yea, but in this case, if the Post Office can't handle it, they ought to remove the law barring competition...
You're under the belief that UPS and FedEx would provide a comparable, flat rate service to every person in this country within 5-7 business days. I'm certain they would deliver your postcard for $5 instead of $0.25.
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said by morbo:

said by jp10558:

Yea, but in this case, if the Post Office can't handle it, they ought to remove the law barring competition...
You're under the belief that UPS and FedEx would provide a comparable, flat rate service to every person in this country within 5-7 business days. I'm certain they would deliver your postcard for $5 instead of $0.25.
Well, yea. But then what exactly is the harm in allowing the competition? No one would use a service that cost many times as much unless they really did need that delivered on a Saturday for some reaso
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FedEx and UPS will pick the sweetest, most profit making routes and leave vast portions of citizens uncovered or prohibitively expensive. So they would cherry pick routes and then leave the more expensive routes for the USPS to provide, at taxpayer expense.

I'm all for competition and level playing fields, but if UPS/FedEx want to play the game, they should have to play the entire game.

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said by cdru:

Fedex and UPS are also barred by federal law from creating a first class mail service replacement which would essentially be what they would create if they started handling daily delivery of DVDs as things exist currently.
It is true that FedEx and UPS cannot do first class mail service but in order for a delivery service to be classified as such, it would have to be much broader in scope than just delivering DVDs.

Let's say for the sake of argument that FedEx decides that it could make a ton of cash partnering with NetFlix to deliver and have mailed back DVDs and they come to a special deal which starts this service. I don't think that narrowly defined scope of service would qualify as being first class mail.
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said by pnh102:

It is true that FedEx and UPS cannot do first class mail service but in order for a delivery service to be classified as such, it would have to be much broader in scope than just delivering DVDs.

Let's say for the sake of argument that FedEx decides that it could make a ton of cash partnering with NetFlix to deliver and have mailed back DVDs and they come to a special deal which starts this service. I don't think that narrowly defined scope of service would qualify as being first class mail.
I found an interesting read on the history of the USPS monopoly for first class mail. Read pages 14 onward for information about the Private Express Statutes. It basically defined the monopoly on a "message directed to a specific person or address and recorded in or on a tangible object." There was a variety of exemptions including extremely urgent letters. "Letters were considered to be extremely urgent if they met strict delivery standards or if their postage cost the greater of either twice the going First-Class or "priority mail" rate or at least three dollars."

I think it would be hard to have that a delivery service of 2m parcels a day across the country that fit every criteria of first class mail to not be a first class mail service. The only out that I could really see is charging $3 per letter to make it "urgent". But do you really think Netflix is going to increase their shipment costs from $.78 round trip to $6 just to get Saturday delivery? I didn't think so.

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said by cdru:

I think it would be hard to have that a delivery service of 2m parcels a day across the country that fit every criteria of first class mail to not be a first class mail service. The only out that I could really see is charging $3 per letter to make it "urgent". But do you really think Netflix is going to increase their shipment costs from $.78 round trip to $6 just to get Saturday delivery? I didn't think so.
True. There's no way Netflix is going to eat a $3 a pop delivery cost either.

Looks like it is time for them to lobby Congress for a rule change.
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It's crazy that it can cost Netflix more to stream content to you than to send you a disc because of licensing reasons. It's a lot easier to copy a DVD and save it than it is to grab the Netflix stream. And, the stream would be of a lesser quality.

Way to go movie studios!

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That's a thought. But there is a problem. FedEx and especially UPS won't deliver to rural areas on Saturday unless its overnight.

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Big suprise

When you are talking about a business that from it very early days was operated like organized crime, ripping each other off, putting actors into what amounted to indentured servitude. Money from bootleggers during Prohibition, Mob connections etc The fact they now act like the legendary rug merchant should be no surprise. But at least the rug merchant knows when it is time to make a sale. This is one industry that is really running it's self out of business. It is so costly to make a movie in this country that so many production companies are moving off shore.
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said by Transmaster:

It is so costly to make a movie in this country that so many production companies are moving off shore.
You're not actually defending the streaming licensing fees as being justified based on the costs of creating a movie, are you?

Studios aren't stupid. Movie studios are a business. If the product costs too much and isn't getting enough revenue, they will change the product.

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I didn't make my point very well. These studios continue to have the mindset of everybody is out to rip them off. The inside backstabbing, stealing, well this wasn't in the contract, you did not pay me for....... Hey this was my idea, actors, producers, directors, and production staff etc, etc, etc looking at each other with the idea of screw them before they can screw you. This everybody is out to rip me off mindset is now visible in the consumer world. This is the enviroment that is driving some of the production companies off shore the cheaper cost is one thing but getting away from the Hollywood atmosphere is another.
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We certainly love our lawsuits in this country, yes, and I do feel that our time and dollars could be better spent, but I doubt that's the real reason driving production offshore.

Because frankly, getting entangled in a lawsuit in other countries sounds to me like a much tougher situation to be in.

Unless one assumes that the rule of law isn't as strong in other countries, which I would cite as a very strong negative to doing business there.

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The productions coming out of Czech Republic are something. The Dune mini series on SciFi channel was from the Czech Republic and it was real eye candy. Nobody is ever going to match Frank Herberts Dune series on any kind of visual media but the job that was done here was impressive. Even some of the really cornie romances out of bollywood are better then some of the stuff out of Hollywood these days.
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I like my saturday delivery....

I can see how no Saturday would hurt things a lot.. I'm the type of user who almost always returns the movie within a day or two otherwise I don't feel like I'm getting my money worth.. So too loose out on a day to receive or return a movie would slow things down a lot.. In fact if USPS cut down on Saturday delivery I feel like Netflix would almost need to lower their prices to reflect one less renting day a week.

With that said though I have started utilizing the streaming services more and more and if they can get some more content I can see them starting to offer the streaming as a separate service.

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I'm telling you right now...

screw the post office..

The heck with netflix....redbox..

buh bye brokeblockbuster...

and hello....On Demand~Xfinity TV
»www.xfinity.com/customer/

I LOVE watching shows on Xfinity where I can now access all my premium channels and all kinds of tv shows.

This integration with cable packages is the future and is the most convenient thing out there. Legal..QUICK..no hassles..
seamless with what I have in my tv package.
And when I want to watch it on my computer..it's there. And when I want traditional TV viewing..it's there.

These other concepts are ok but try as they might they still are inconvenient to some extent and sometimes...and other times a real pain. Redbox is great at the supermarket..until I have to return it and had no intent on going to the supermarket anyway..then it's another trip and to me..there goes any saving out the gas tank and just in time alone.

Netflix..better..but this whole mailing things back and forth just can be a hassle as well waiting and deciding on what I want to watch next.

People LOVE to talk about the prices of providers like Comcast and others going up but I just think they are missing the boat. If not the entire pier you'd stand on to get to the boat.

People think nothing of dropping 60 bucks to take their significant other and a couple kids to the movies and spending that money on just ONE movie and soda and popcorn. And think nothing of the hassles of driving back and forth to the grocery store to pick up and drop off a DVD. It all equates to a lot of TIME..and money spent.

TV packages from these providers are no longer what they used to be. There is an enormous amount of content available at the touch of a button. Some people try so hard to "save" a few bucks that they really wind up saving nothing. The greatest value that these companies are offering is in their top tier bundles. If you can take ALL the calling that you and your family do in a day....ALL the internet that everyone (reasonably) needs and wants in any given day...ALL the channels there are..all the movie channels hbo cinemax..starz..showtime..encore..all the ON demand..all the xfinity tv...hd/dvr and more...and put it ALL together..

and have it wind up costing you..6 bucks a day.

Isn't that worth it?

I think it's not only worth it. I think it's beyond worth it...and incredible really.

And I don't say that because I'm a Comcast fan..(and before that I was a tw RR fan)..I say it because I really think it..and mean it. And have watched the evolution of all of this along with many of you over the years here...for me 9 going on 10 now..and can only say..look where we are now compared to back then.

It's been an amazing journey of technology and watching these advances. Speeds from paying hundreds a month for 14.4 dialup by the hour to T1 speeds to now we sit and watch 25Mb powerboost speeds.

Where the PRICE can be MORE Expensive...is when people try to scrimp and save so much IMO.
They take just basic digital tv..pay their phone provider for a landline..pay seperate long distance..and try to hammer their isp very six month for the next deal they can get out of them.
They run to the store every other day to get a movie..and run back to return it..and all the time they're "smiling" saying..look what I saved!

What I say is..you saved nothing. You burned up so much time and energy and money in many other ways that you completely missed the entire boat and what is really available to you.

I love it. I have time to burn today so I'll probably be flipping on over to xfinity.com and clicking on my HBO package and selecting what I want to watch and...there it is.

No mailman! No gas! No trip to the Store!

And, It will stream along my 25Mb boosted chsi connection and i'll probably chat on the phone all the while I'm enjoying it.
Singing the praises of all of this to a friend or two.

Folks. This is the future. And it is here now. The VALUE is in these upper tier bundles. This is NOT expensive. It is all encompassing entertainment for everyone in the family.

At one Very..VERY....reasonable price.



~Rick

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Correction!


"In total, Netflix estimates that it will spend $600 million on postage in 2010."

Not "so far" as our article here mentions.

YogiYahooeys

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Absurd

I have difficulty believing that Neflix is paying up to $4 per streamed movie. There's no reason to even offer a movie to stream if it costs that much in comparison to your regular membership fees... I'm calling bull on this one...

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I don't think they meant it costs $4 to stream a movie to just a single person, but $4 to have the rights per movie per day and thousands can stream that same movie, so if it's a popular movie then it comes down to pennies per person.
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Suggestion

Netflix should just do what Redbox does and start implementing drop boxes everywhere in addition to the mailing discs option and the streaming option and then just price differently based on what level of service you choose.

Say something like this:

Streaming Only
Streaming plus Mail
Streaming plus Dropbox
clickie

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Hurt? No.

This is an opportunity to bump people up to the higher service tiers so they can receive more movies. There isn't any service on Sunday already, so what is one more day? For most customers, they just need to get their queue in order a day earlier.

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No biggie

I don't know of any other service that ships out Blu-Rays as cheap and reliable as Netflix. This streaming stuff doesn't cut it for the newer movies on my TV.
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Netflix has gone downhill

I recently dumped Netflix due to long wait times on new releases. The selection of streaming movies and shows is kind of pitiful to be honest.

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zod5000

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Don't let them do it!

As a Canadian, I've always been a little jealous that the US gets mail delivery on Saturdays.

Then again.. I'm so used to not getting mail on saturdays, its probably not a big difference.

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Living in Canada and in California over the years

I don't get the POINT of Saturday mail delivery.

I mean really. It's just an extra day to get a bill.
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bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here
kudos:1

Step forward and back?

Maybe go a bit high tech and low tech?

Have a few boxes in various areas where customers can easily drop off their movies. Then pay a guy to run around Friday and Saturday night and pick up all the movies. As he hits each location he scans the barcode, confirms the movie has been retrieved successfully and puts it in a shipping crate. That monday the central shipping gets an update of all the retrieved movies and sends the next one out. He then sends the crate back with overnight express to Netflix on Monday.

It'd be the added expense of a part time employee and leasing space for the boxes but it'd increase turn around and probably help customer satisfaction.

jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

Cutting Saturday Service is STUPID

Won't save much at all.

What they should do is deliver to businesses on M-W-F, and to residences on T-Th-S. That way they would be reducing delivery from 6 days per address to 3 days per address.

Businesses that need mail every day have PO boxes anyway.

Bunch of idiots using a scalpel when they need a machete. Probably going to cost them more to eliminate Saturday delivery than they are going to save.
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MrScarface

join:2004-05-25
Missouri City, TX

Re: Cutting Saturday Service is STUPID

Um...cutting Saturday Delivery will save the USPS $3 billion dollars Annually. I have a sister who is a Station Manager for the USPS.

jaa
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join:2000-06-13
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Reviews:
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Re: Cutting Saturday Service is STUPID

said by MrScarface:

Um...cutting Saturday Delivery will save the USPS $3 billion dollars Annually. I have a sister who is a Station Manager for the USPS.
Um...my point exactly. That is what they say, but we know it will actually save $300M annually, and cost $250M annually.

They need a much bigger change - no point in trying to bail the Titanic with a dixie cup.

They have already lost all the business for time-critical delivery to fax, email, and FedEx/UPS. Time for some real leadership and change.
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mlcarson

join:2001-09-20
Las Cruces, NM
I have to agree that this is stupid. For those that work M-F during normal business hours -- how are we suppose to mail packages when the post office is closed on Saturday? Or are they just stopping delivery on Saturday while keeping the office open?

I like the MWF/TTHS idea.

BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Cutting Saturday Service is STUPID

said by mlcarson:

I have to agree that this is stupid. For those that work M-F during normal business hours -- how are we suppose to mail packages when the post office is closed on Saturday? Or are they just stopping delivery on Saturday while keeping the office open?

I like the MWF/TTHS idea.
How do you send stuff via UPS or FedEx on a saturday? Want saturday service then expect $1 stamps and double your rates for sending packages.

spira

@comcast.net
Post offices will remain open on Saturdays; they are just stopping home delivery. Note specifically the word home - if you use a post office box, you will still get mail on Saturdays.

Phil
Rojo Sol
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA
kudos:2

Netflix aside the USPS needs to deliver 2-3 days only.

It's ironic that Netflix has breathed some new life into the now defunct postal system via the service they offer. However Netflix needs to make 100% of their library available online and I'll be down to using the USPS a couple of times a year.

MTBikerChris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO

Netflix on the Wii?

Any one get a disc for the Wii yet?
Bob61571

join:2008-08-08
Washington, IL

Re: Netflix on the Wii?

Yes, just got it the other day.
And, it works fine.

Signed up the first day at netflix for the Wii disk.

ptrowski
Got Helix?
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Putnam, CT
kudos:4
Reviews:
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·Choice One Commu..

Re: Netflix on the Wii?

said by Bob61571:

Yes, just got it the other day.
And, it works fine.

Signed up the first day at netflix for the Wii disk.
Hmm, mind still says we will let you know when it is available.
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MTBikerChris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO

Re: Netflix on the Wii?

Just looked at my NF Acct and got this
Instant streaming disc for Wii Pending

Hmm Maybe i will be getting one soon since i did sign up in the first few days.

ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4

Re: Netflix on the Wii?

Mine says they will let me know this spring when it is available.

MTBikerChris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO
Reviews:
·Comcast

Re: Netflix on the Wii?

Click for full size
Just got this in my email.. Yahoooo

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

YAY!

Now they can blame the post office when the sub is really throttled and doesn't know it.
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PRTV

@gblx.net

One problem with streaming, bandwidth caps...

With the caps being proposed in my area (apparently we're going to be a "test" area at 5GB per month and $1 per GB above that) I'd get about 1.5 HD movies before being charged (which would come down to about $4 a movie after that) not to say the sky is falling but I have a feeling caps like this will be a cash cow and we'll start seeing this more and more.

The $35 NF subscription is bad enough, if this happens I think it's Redbox time.

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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT

wait... wait..

They keep talking about this cutting the weekends but when is it going to take effect?

package man2

@verizon.net

Re: wait... wait..

ups dont wor weekends also fedex only pick up special items.

Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT

Re: wait... wait..

said by package man2 :

ups dont wor weekends also fedex only pick up special items.
Ups does weekends if you want saturday delivery your online shopping place *MUST* have next day air saturday
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
said by Subaru:

They keep talking about this cutting the weekends but when is it going to take effect?
It won't.. congress has to approve it - and they never do... and never will.
quatrix
Premium
join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL
kudos:2

Why Saturday?

Whose stupid idea was this, and why hasn't anyone talked about cutting out a weekday instead? It makes zero sense to have two days in a row without mail. Cut out a day at the other end of the week -- Wednesday or Thursday.

aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Why Saturday?

said by quatrix:

Whose stupid idea was this, and why hasn't anyone talked about cutting out a weekday instead? It makes zero sense to have two days in a row without mail. Cut out a day at the other end of the week -- Wednesday or Thursday.
They could cut most of them out for all I care. Most of what I receive in th mail is either junk mail or items I can access Online. With Netflix and a few magazines being the exception. Two delivery days a week would be fine for me.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service

Loss of Saturday delivery kills my turnaround-- and I'm fast

The nearest Netflix processing center to me is OKC.

I have optimized my Netflix to return as quickly as possible and to the many post off distribution center to guarantee maximum turnaround efficiency. Even so, it works like this.

I post the Discs before 8:30 PM at the Main post office distribution. (8:30 is final pickup.)

Netflix will receive the discs the following day and will *usually* get them out that day, so the next day after that I will receive the next discs. If I am fast and they'd don't delay I get 2 deliveries a week.

However sometimes the discs arrive on Saturday. No matter what I do, Netflix will not get the discs back till Tuesday, but often they get them too late and then I will get my next 2 on Thursday.

If Saturday postal services goes away, I'd be hard pressed to get 2 deliveries a week. Often it would be only one.
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