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(old news - 10:47AM Wednesday Oct 29 2003)
tags: security · privacy · spam
It has become noticeable that 2003 is the year SCAMs have replaced SPAM as the most annoying thing you are likely to see in your mailbox and may soon replace viruses as the most lethal. In our Spam and Scam busters forum we've seen a new scam that is particularly nasty in the way it hides its true nature.

In brief, these particular scammers have discovered that broadband ISP EarthLink offers a URL (encrypted as well) that would do a simple browser redirection to any other website on the net without checking if this redirection was authorized or valid. The destination URL is encoded in the parameters to the secure URL. This redirection utility URL was probably useful to some part of the earthlink website.

This "hole" meant the scammers were able to write a semi-official looking email that asked users to click on a secure (https) earthlink url, in order to "verify your data", and then they spammed this email to possibly millions of addresses.

At first blush, even well seasoned earthlink customers may be fooled by this link and email, and may continue, only to fill out a form containing enough information to allow the bad guys (hosted offshore) to steal their identity or worse. It is more than likely the operators of this particular scam, within hours, collected and now have hundreds, possibly thousands, of customers information. (Image of their collection form, thanks to RadioDoc for this: they ask for everything). At this point, it matters little what EarthLink do to disable this redirector, or what the web-hosting company does to the throw-away hosting account.

Previous to this particularly nasty URL redirection trick, the worst scam email s have been html messages that contained a GIF that looked like a regular email (example), but the gif was entirely clickable. The GIF would contain an EBAY link in blue in the text, even though the actual destination was somewhere else entirely. Such a trick may fool people who read their email with all HTML type viewing options turned on, but not those who read their email in text only. This redirection trick may fool text-based link clickers as well.

We have contacted EarthLink about this open redirection vulnerability, but since similar redirector URLs are very common in many e-commerce web-sites, it is clear this spam+spam trick could be re-used against a number of high-profile domain names in order to trick customers into revealing, well, anything really.

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KyleC
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Nice!

thats comforting. still both tricks sould be easy to expose. use your head people!
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justin
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Re: Nice!

I don't think they are so easy to expose anymore.

At first the URLs were stupid

then they started looking good

now they actually START with the victim companies web server

how soon before someone figures out how to re-write the location bar in the browser to hide where you really are?

For sure these scams fool MORE people now than ever before, due to these "technical advances", even though the average level of suspicion has rised dramatically among everyone.

When YOU visit a secure site, do you actually check the certificate details and validity? for instance?

Only 1% of users, those who continue to read about all of the tricks, are really up with this stuff. Average users are not. At this rate I'd honestly think of advising non-computer friends to not use email AT ALL, for ANYTHING, ever AGAIN. And I'd advise legit companies to not use email for anything except no-action-required notifications. Just don't get an email address unless you want to make spam tools and scam tricks and security updates a personal hobby. Honestly it is getting that bad.
joebear29

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Alabaster, AL

Re: Nice!

said by justin See Profile:
Only 1% of users, those who continue to read about all of the tricks, are really up with this stuff. Average users are not. At this rate I'd honestly think of advising non-computer friends to not use email AT ALL, for ANYTHING, ever AGAIN. And I'd advise legit companies to not use email for anything except no-action-required notifications. Just don't get an email address unless you want to make spam tools and scam tricks and security updates a personal hobby. Honestly it is getting that bad.
I don't think you need to go that far. E-mail address's are useful for many things, from newsletters to a notice your credit card payment is due.

What I would recommend is never pay or give any information through a link you followed in an e-mail, no matter how legitimate. Until now, I've been getting an e-mail from Discover every month, and I'll click the link and pay my bill. Now, what I'll do is still get the e-mail, but open a new browser and go to www.discovercard.com myself before I enter confidential information and pay the bill.

But there is no need to delete all your e-mail addresses.

justin
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Re: Nice!

yes for you and me and many others here (after all, if we can navigate to the new topic screen, we're pretty sophisticated users).

But as I read a NY times article the other day on "how spammers get hold of your email address" it occurs to me that millions of net users still happily use those sweepstakes type sites (good grief) not realizing they will end up getting diet pill offers for ever. These people are the majority of net users, and with so much identity now being online as well as off, and so much so loosely protected by both consumer and companies, the rewards for sophisticated con-men are insanely high.

trisomy
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' http ://211.47.191.125:199/%63%67%69/%69%6E%64%65%78%2E%68%74%6D '

Just received this. Thought it would be of interest given the discussion. For those of you who are causally surfing do not enter your information !

(purposely broke the link - what is the point? -- mod)
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KyleC
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said by justin See Profile:
I don't think they are so easy to expose anymore.
yeah i guess for the average user. i don't trust anything that comes in email anymore at first sight.

Transmaster
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said by justin See Profile:
Only 1% of users, those who continue to read about all of the tricks, are really up with this stuff. Average users are not. At this rate I'd honestly think of advising non-computer friends to not use email AT ALL, for ANYTHING, ever AGAIN. And I'd advise legit companies to not use email for anything except no-action-required notifications. Just don't get an email address unless you want to make spam tools and scam tricks and security updates a personal hobby. Honestly it is getting that bad.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, more than a bit. I just tell everyone to PHONE the company (from a number printed on a paper bill or invoice) if they get any requests for password, credit card numbers or any other personal information. Most people will listen and take that kind of advice as long as you don't play the sky is falling game. Just let people know honestly that there are concerns and threats and they will most likely pay attention.
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vfpguy
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said by justin See Profile:
At this rate I'd honestly think of advising non-computer friends to not use email AT ALL, for ANYTHING, ever AGAIN. And I'd advise legit companies to not use email for anything except no-action-required notifications. Just don't get an email address unless you want to make spam tools and scam tricks and security updates a personal hobby. Honestly it is getting that bad.
So what's the alternative for non-computer literate people to communicate with each other over the Internet and for businesses to communicate with each other and their customers? E-Mail with a web-site address to click? No, can't use that one. Instant Messaging? No, if IM clients like Trillian have reversed engineered the IM protocols then how long until someone figures out how to spam IM? Change e-mail clients to only accept digitally signed mail? Not as long as certificates are relatively expensive and complicated (for the average user) to set up.

Much as I hate to admit it (donning flameproof suit) MS's Trustworthy Computing is sounding better and better (assuming they can pull if off with their "usual high quality" )
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That was an interesting exercise unravelling this last night. There were enough clues that a regular Earthlink customer should have at least raised an eyebrow over the email (which is what happened and led to the investigation in the Earthlink forum), but you just know that the bulk of the online population these days--especially the ones AOL and Earthlink are targeting--would mindlessly click along until they maybe got queasy about giving out ATM PINs. This is what was on that page: »Verify a Website

Jason Levine
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said by justin See Profile:
how soon before someone figures out how to re-write the location bar in the browser to hide where you really are?
They already do this sometimes. A URL can contain a username and password in the form:

http: //username:password@www.somesite.com/

Now, make the username a site's URL and the password a long string to push the real site's URL off screen and you have a URL that will look like it's on Paypal/Ebay/whatever when it's really on some offshore account designed to harvest information from the people who fall for the scam.

For example, this URL might look like it's going to DSLReports.com, but it's really going to Google:

http://www.dslreports.com:dlsgjnsdlvnjsldvnlsdnvlsdvnlsdjkvnlsvnlsdkvnskldvnlsdkvnlsdjkvndjlvn@ww w.google.com/

(Of course, a scammer won't direct you to such a benign site.)
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dbuth
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Justin,

All of your suggestions/ideas are warranted. The generation of AOL users, and proliferation of computer users has turned the internet into a SCAM goldmine. I have had no success in stopping my aunt from forwarding urban legends; regardless of repeated pasting of text from www.snopes.com.

With the vast majority of computer users they have no idea that the content they read does not come from AOL, Earthlink, or vanilla wrapped ISP. Scammers have found the golden nugget in the internet, instead of using their old fashioned scams via snail mail.

It seems that no matter how many times it is mentioned here at BBR or mainstream media, people will continue to click on bogus URLs, websites, complete web forms, and divulge personal material without thinking first.

There has to be a way to educate the 99% of users that fail to check certificates or use the most basic skill that our creator has given us. "If it sounds to good to be true it probably is;" also, "Why would they ask for my personal and private information if they already have it?"
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T RAVER

join:2003-10-02
Calgary, AB

Are people STUPID!?

I don't know what it is with people these days, but does anyone care about their personal information these days to be duped by an obvious scam? I mean come on, they ask for everything!? What company requires EVERYTHING?! It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even retail cashier to notice something is wrong when an individual or company requires everything about you to verify you are you.

On a personal note, that is why I hate banks...
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aaffooxx

join:2003-10-28
Afton, TN

Re: Are people STUPID!?

> Are people STUPID!?

Yes! Well, not totally stupid but most are very computer/internet illiterate.

I know people that are intelligent in their field of study but totally oblivious to anything outside the circle. Example: An MD that doesn't even know the last time he ever watched the national/world news. Was totally surprised when I told him that California was burning down and had been for the last two weeks. We Have soldiers in Iraq??? A computer can't catch a virus stupid, it not a biological entity! Now, how can we expect an individual that isn't even aware that one of the largest states in his own country is burning down to be anywhere near aware of the hazards associated with operating a computer online and the methods used to protect one from such hazards?

He runs on broadband without any firewall at all or virus protection or router. He opens all email attachments and signs up for every freebie on the net. He thinks that all these spasm he gets is people that care about him because of the good deals they are offering him AND, AND! If he doesn't want to hear from them any more, he does the OPT OUT option that they were so nice in providing.

And… what does he have to worry about because Microsoft is personally taking care of him because they send him personal emails with critical updates attached to the email for him to install. And this guy operates on people!

qsoak
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said by T RAVER See Profile:
Are people STUPID!?
I don't know what it is with people these days, but...
YES!
Present company excepted, of course.
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belawrence
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"superstition is the way" - Stevie Wonder

And a little common sense. Like a couple of emails I've gotten as of late telling me that I've won some prize, only to find out that I must pay for shipping. When they ask for payment for said shipping, they ask for either your credit card/debit card number and require you to give them your PIN and 3 digit security code or your checking account information and routing info. Anyone asking for this amount of info is obviously a scammer of some sort.
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The Folsom
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Re: "superstition is the way" - Stevie Wonder

I won't make that kind of payment on the internet. If it is a delivery, I will pay only COD; if they don't wanna go that way, then they are scammers and their motherboard should meltdown.
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Transmaster
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Jee-wiz

every time I open up one of My e-mail accounts I have the feeling I am stepping into a mine field. pulsating penis pills, blaster breast bolus, grow hair everywhere, In debt
click here and repent, humongous hooted Helen, Nigerian trunks of cash, Fran of the farm. It's just like a jungle.
Or some third world country where the most common English
sentence is "clean virgin 20 bucks".
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Re: Jee-wiz

I can't even have the kids in the room anymore when I open the e-mail. Holy enlarged organ Batman!

TwoCpus4me

join:2003-10-16

The insurance companies are coming soon...

It won't be long until you will be required to pass a secure system investigation if you do business on the web or companies won't insure you.

Too many companies hack together systems and pop them on the web with foolishly little security and no clue about the ramifications of what happens to people when their critical data gets stolen or leaked out. When was the last time you heard someone ask on the eve of an IPO offering if the systems were secure?

Its serious business and companies need to start spending probably at least 30 to 50% of their IT budget on security instead of the usual 5% of which we read about daily. The old days of private network security are gone. One person with the wrong access can take a whole company down.

swsamurai
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Re: The insurance companies are coming soon...

Security? What's That?

Seriously though... Our company is using Postini to block spam... and I must say it does a great job... definitely worth the expense.

It does not cease to amaze me, however, how some people fall into certain traps. My mother-in-law has fallen for the eBay scam twice... and they even looked like the same emails. You almost get to the point where you think... "If these people are stupid enough to fall for this, then maybe they deserve what they get." But that is a wrong way to think.

I do have to give the scammers some credit... there are some of them out there that are getting quite creative.

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People are so stupid

This is somewhat related, my stupid friend got the e-mail saying to delete that one Windows Java file because it was a virus, and he actually did it! So now people just believe any e-mail they recieve?


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The Folsom
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Re: People are so stupid

said by techie See Profile:
This is somewhat related, my stupid friend got the e-mail saying to delete that one Windows Java file because it was a virus, and he actually did it! So now people just believe any e-mail they recieve?



(sarcasm) But E-mail is our friend, right? It would never LIE to us, would it? (/sarcasm)
Yup. You're right about that.
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Used To Be

That E-mail was a time saver; you could send an E-mail to someone and get something done faster. Now we have to spend more time on E-mail scrutinizing and analyzing just to get the same amount of work done. Not only have scammers and spammers succeeded in stealing our money, but they have succeeded in stealing our time.
Bastards.
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Re: Used To Be

It looks like human nature is to take a good thing and use it to take advantage of others.. sad, isn't it?

It's interesting that probably most of the people behind these schemes are nice and normal people to everyone around them.. but with the anonymity of the Internet a whole different facet of their personalities is revealed.
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Re: Used To Be

I think greed has a lot to do with the success of some of these scams presently circulating; get an E-mail from some guy in Nigeria, with a boat-load of cash but no way to access it. You have a chance to get something for nothing.
You can go the easy way and fall for it, or expend some mental energy and actually think about it for a second. Riffle through the mental Rolodex to when dad said, "Son, nothing in life is free."
It's tempting to fall for this kind of stuff. Greed wins out over clear thinking.
Not in my case. If the E-mail makes it through my filters, I think about it for half a second then trash the E-mail.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-29 12:39:13]
JPCass

join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO

Ugly

Isn't there a name for this trick, Phish sites or something?

Stuff like this really leaves me worried for my parents and my kids. I can figure these things out but, like a lot of the other problems with e-mail and spam, the non-tech-savvy and those just learning are really at the mercy of this. I think that this sort of outright scam that can ruin people, is the best example of why something will have to be done to address the problems with e-mail. Of course, lots of scams like this go on offline, so it's not exactly a new threat, but it's an escalation of old threats that needs to be addressed.

In the short run, the only thing that's going to help is to educate people as much as possible not to respond to anything that requests personal information. That's going to generate a lot of calls to businesses, from both the scams done in their name, and when their own attempts to interact with their customers via e-mail generate suspicion.
The extra burden that puts on businesses, may at least create more pressure for some effective solutions to the problems.

I've had the thought that a solution that really cut down on SPAM and shut down or prosecuted spammers, might help with scams like this just by draining the cesspool that spawns both. Or is the only thing that's going to have any significant impact, a more secure or better validated form of e-mail?

ncherry
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Taking advantage of even smarter users ...

I recently received a 'Comcast Customer Service" email that wanted me to update my user information such as my credit card info. I knew it was a scam immediately because I get billed by snail mail not via the credit card (@Home did have that for a while). I decided to download the site, modify the javascript and send totally bogus info and sniff the entire session. It worked except for the redirection in a php file that went to a site who had shut down that portion of the operation.

Lately I've been seeing modified URLS that are taking advantage of the fact that most users don't fully check the URL. Here is an example of a bogus URL:

http:
//bbs.circuitcellar.com%20viewtopic.php%20t%3D2252%20Id%3DNoOneYouKnow%20Pswd%3DGottoBeKidN@ www.cnn.com/

It looks like a login to Circuit Cellar's Web BBS but it really goes to CNN. If the string is long enough your browser will scroll that last part off the screen so that you don't see it. To the unsuspecting it looks valid (we've all seen URL's with all sorts of %xx jibberish
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alien9999999
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please PGP !!!!

use it, I don't trust any emails except those that have PGP signatures on it of people I know...
if everyone would use those, then mostly you wouldn't get spam anymore, i feel that at least the 'trusted' companies should give out those, so people would know the email REALLY comes from the site...
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JPCass

join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO

Re: please PGP !!!!

And how are highly technical solutions like that going to be made user-friendly for the kids, old people, and just plain everyday users who probably make up about 95% of internet users, other than us techies here? Plus people who rely on public terminals, like at the library, for e-mail? And what about all the companies people do business with?

In the end, I think it's going to come down to improvements in mail protocols and practices, and/or the improvements that IPv6 provides, that can be built in to the system and into mail clients and be seamless for users. It seems to me that in the meantime, it's going to take trying a well-crafted legislative crackdown to reduced spam before it completely overwhelms the system, which would also free up resources at companies and ISPs for implementing new systemic solutions.

The one thing I could see is the implementation of a new system that validated that e-mail came from a legitimate sender, and still accepted unvalidated e-mail but marked it as such. It could be, or start with, anything from the features already in the existing e-mail system but rarely used, to some of the new methods that have been proposed. That would allow for gradual phase-in, and not completely shut out those who didn't upgrade their e-mail system. It would at least tip people off as to what e-mail they could trust and what should be treated with suspicion.

alien9999999
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Re: please PGP !!!!

exactly what i mean, they could use PGP, and those web mail things could provide you with a safe place to store the key... and PGP is not that hard to install...

it's just like driving a new car, get accustomed and used to your alarm system...
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Speedy8
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Alliance, OH
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Google

Spam seems to be creeping it's way onto google now too. Seems like at least 1 out of every 4 searches I do now end up with like 20 top results that are just links to other "search" pages, which results in useless info, slowing down my searches tremendously. Man I hate greedy bastards that like to cheat these systems. Hopefully google can do something about it soon.

dilettante

join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI

Where does it end?

All of the malware, scams, and other abuses that seem to be just endless are frightening. Only a tiny fraction of the computer using population is ever going to be savvy enough to provide themselves even a reasonable level of 'net safety.

It isn't about platforms, because as others grow market share against Windows the attacks will simply diversify further. As it is the "simple" ones related to normal browser use or even the low-tech email scams have little to do with a particular platform.

I can only wonder how many people have to be seriously burned financially before average folks abandon the Internet or even personal computing altogether. In the short term it may just drive people to somebody like an AOL offering some centralized, closed, and closed-standards based technology. Something like the pre-Internet CompuServe maybe, over a VPN if not just a private dial-up network.

It would seem to be in all of our interests to bring an end to the abuse. Of course with the court system defending spammers, malware injectors, and other sleazy commercial miscreants (I won't mention any names, don't want to get sued ya know) I don't cling to much hope here for the open Internet we have today.

Maybe if legitimate commerce is driven off the Internet and "Joe User" follows to some closed network we'll still have an Internet left behind. It may become a much "smaller" place though.

calvoiper

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Re: Where does it end?

said by dilettante See Profile:
Only a tiny fraction of the computer using population is ever going to be savvy enough to provide themselves even a reasonable level of 'net safety.
I know it seems this way now--but in 1915, you could have said that "only a tiny fraction of the automobile driving population is ever going to be savvy and skilled enough to drive 50 mph while providing themselves even a reasonable level of safety."

Machines change and people adapt. Sadly, much human suffering is routinely part of this process.

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aaffooxx

join:2003-10-28
Afton, TN

Re: Where does it end?

> in 1915, you could have said that "only a tiny fraction of
> the automobile driving population is ever going to be
> savvy and skilled enough to drive 50 mph

From what I see every day on the highway, this is true!

Think about it.... How can someone even come near to addressing security issues on their computer when they don't even have the basic mental capabilities required to understand, much less practice, the operation of a turn signal... You know... down for left and up for right...

I think NASA was able to teach a monkey to do that at one time.
jsouth
Jsouth

join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS

Teach others

I think it is our jobs to teach others. So far I have convinced my friends, family and coworkers to get the usual programs. "(ie antivirus, firewalls, trojan protection, and spam filters.) I also direct them to this site for info and make sure they update all of their browsers and programs. I also have them now where they get rid of any emails that don't seem koscher. Also I have let them know that no reputable company will ever ask them for their credit card info along with their Social security number, name address etc. regardless of wether or not they say they had a computer problem or what ever. If they have any questions they can email the link to me and I will help them. I usually mess with the idiots that use these scams. Sometimes my nephew and I try and hack them. LOL
raye
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Orange, CA

Solution

1. get a static IP
2. get your own domain
3. host your own e-mail server
4. add spam filters

For those who are stuck with ISP e-mail, get used to spam as a part of life. Another solution is to treat your e-mail address as an unlisted number. use a hotmail account or alternative e-mail address for registering for anything on the web.

My $0.02

qsoak
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Long Beach, CA


Where does it Begin?

dilettante See Profile asked Where does it end?
I'm curious about where it begins. Not so much the scammers. Man has been doing that to his fellow man forever. Even the recent rash of I.D. theft was going strong before the internet, e-mail scams and spam.

I worked in law enforcement. In 1994 I took what was our Dept.'s 1st I.D. theft report. It was done then, with classified ads for rental property, using the info provided on an in-depth rental application, and some convincing phone calls to the victim's bank and CC company. A lot of info. was filled in from public records. Basically the suspects obtained credit in the victim's name and rented them an apartment they did not own. Just some apartment that belonged to someone on a long vacation. And collected first / last month's rent and security deposits on this apartment, from the victims.

Without all the present day computer connectivity, it took the victims weeks to figure out something was wrong. Even longer to trace it back thru their bank (all by phone) and then figure out how it got started. It actually took the true apartment renter to come home to provide the final piece of the puzzle for the victims. I remember at the time no one in the department knew what to call the crime. The victims kept calling it I.D. theft but there was no such specific law to cover it. It was a mess for the fraud investigators. They had to break it down to all the "lesser included crimes" because I.D. theft, as we worry about it now, was unknown.

As far as the spammers: As I understand it the lure of hundreds of thousands of e-mail addresses (possible customers?) for a mere pittance of a company's marketing budget is just too good to pass up. And, that it's not just the crappy little Viagra sellers using these names. This lure of cheap contacts extends to large companies that many of us do business with on a regular basis. I have heard of many examples but will stick with a personal one I know to be true. My wife and I both take prescription allergy medicines on a semi-regular basis. All of a sudden we begin getting spam (and snail mail) from the drug manufacturers saying "We know you use this and that medicine. We have something better. Ask your doctor if you can use ours instead and we'll give some discount coupons."

We use more than one pharmacy but based on timing and type of medicine, were able to pinpoint the store that sold them our prescription info. This seems VERY wrong, for a lot of reasons.

I guess my real point here is (thanks for bearing with me to reach this "real point" of mine) there are many big-name, "upstanding" companies playing the spam game too. It's obviously well known that (almost) everyone hates spammers and wishes terrible things to happen to them. How can these big companies afford to risk the wrath of so many people? Joe's Viagra Cafe and Pharmacy will never feel the effects of a popular boycott but wouldn't a mainstream retailer?

Is there anywhere that collects and organizes such info. Someplace, that given enough complaints about a merchant, might organize a grass roots boycott or something? Or is it a matter of no one wanting to organize such a thing because of fear of being sued etc.?
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-31 09:49:39]

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I'm a skeptic at all angles, and I would have called my ISP and started an argument first before just handing it all over. but some of the n00bs out there would believe it and just give up their identities. I have a few friends that are learning, and I get the occasional "deb look at this email" messages from a few of them, but sadly I still get chain letters to "save a child" too. the scam artist are banking on finding these n00bs, there's new ones being born everyday. All they need is one....
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