Second Stacked-Deck DRM RoundtableGroups stand up for your rights ( old news - 10:20AM Thursday Jul 18 2002) tags: Fileswapping · Radio · business The Second Roundtable Discussion on "Digital Content and Rights Management" took place yesterday in Washington DC. It was standing room only at the event, with a Commerce Committee rep saying "We've never had anything like this before". With a stacked-deck panel, industry heavyweights from AOL/Time Warner, Vivendi, Microsoft, MPAA Spokesman Jack Valenti, and others had full control of the microphones ...for a while. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the progress and future of digital rights management, in particular to discuss how the government can assist in moving DRM further down the tracks. Critics have consistently charged that DRM erodes the small slice of 'fair use' rights media consumers have left. The Electronic Privacy Information Center has amassed an impressive collection of resources to assist those who aren't aware that this battle has been raging for quite some time. The event, originally scheduled to be a back patting event between big business and Uncle Sam, quickly evolved into something much more, as consumer rights activists flooded Washington D.C. and the meeting chamber. When Jack Valenti's rhetoric reached an intolerable level, one fair use advocate stood up and made his position heard, complaining about the obvious lack of public representation at the event. It was asked that Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation (who was present) be afforded the opportunity to speak, and counter the one sided argument that had been presented so far. After the initial outburst, a committee member asked the individual to "shut up and sit down". The protests continued unabated however, and after some work, panelists and some attendees convinced the committee to have additional consumer representation. The event was stacked twenty three to one in favor of corporations, with Graham Spencer of digitalconsumer.org, being the only officially recognized public advocate at the event, and he said very little. Who was responsible for making your voice heard? You can thank both members of NYLXS and NyFairUse for representing the public at the event. Brett Wynkoop of NY for Fair Use actually nudged his way up to the table, and commandeered the microphone to get his point across. A move Phillip Bond, undersecretary for Technology in the U.S. Department of Commerce later criticized, noting that "We have a structure here." A structure, apparently, that wasn't working: Seth Johnson of the Information Producers Initiative stood in the back with his hand raised for over an hour, never receiving acknowledgement from Bond. Representatives like Robin Gross, intellectual property lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, were told not to show up at all. Even the corporations present acknowledged the light consumer representation, with representatives from Phillips Electronics and IBM both criticizing the lopsided panel, which contained absolutely no representatives from the free software community, no technology journalists, no programmers, no professors.....(you get the picture). Jack Valenti, spokesman of the MPAA, continued to make himself an easy target by insisting at one point that his group did not oppose the VCR. He was quickly nailed on this by another panelist, who remembered that Jack's group had tried to get an injunction on the VCR, and had proposed royalty rates of $25 to $50 on blank tapes. He was also quoted by the press, and as is widely known as saying "the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone". Related:- MediaDefender Profits From Porn
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  hardflip Mindfield Premium join:2002-02-28 Andover, MA
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Wonder how much of a campaign donation it took to have a seat at the table?
The horrible irony in this is that the voter is so important that they are left out. Politicians need campaign funds to influence votes and businesses take advantage of this inorder to influence the laws that affect their business. The campaign funds become so important, a deficit in spending can lose an election, that the businesses get the politicians focus over voters. [text was edited by author 2002-07-18 11:04:10] | |
|  |  TheWickerMan
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| Re: $$$$$ Very sad. Our country was founded on a very simple but fair idea -- One person, one vote. Somewhere along the line, it became "One dollar, one vote." And let's face it, these big companies have a lot more dollars/votes than we do. Power of the people, R.I.P.  | |
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@shh.fi | Re: $$$$$ >Our country was founded on a very simple but fair idea -- One person, one vote.
Wrong. The country never allowed non-whites to vote until at least a century later, and regarded slaves as half-humans.
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|  |  |  |   Buggy
join:2000-10-24 Tampa, FL | Re: $$$$$ said by Corrector: and regarded slaves as half-humans.
I thought it was 2/3 ?? | |
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@atl-ga.ds
| It has always been one person, one vote. What changed is our concept of "person". When originally spoken, it was understood that a Person was (generally) a white land-owning male. Now, we use the broader definition of Person. In fact, they probably would have said one Citizen, one vote back then, which would have made the point clearer, I suppose.
The original point is still valid in any case. One person has become one dollar, and a very small % of the people have a very large % of the dollars.
We stopped being a Republic (we were never a Democracy) some time ago. | |
|  |  |  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Oh how we've shifted. | |
|  |   xdeadhead 220, 221, Whatever It Takes. Premium join:2000-11-08 Pangea | and they all took turns jackin each other off and kissing each others ass......much of the same goes on everyday in washington dc. -- "so you say you want revolution?"-Lennon/McCartney | |
|  Ulwyn
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| US Government 101... According to the News.com article, "The assembled band of free software devotees said later that they believed they had won a commitment from the Commerce Department to include a representative in a future roundtable. But (Phillip Bond, Undersecretary of Commerce for Technology) did not seem to agree. I'm not going to be dictated to, he said."
Isn't the sole purpose of a government official TO abide by the *dictates* of the people? ALL the people...not just the ones with billions of dollars and huge corporations?
How does that foot taste, Mr. Bond? | |
|  |  russotto
join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA | Re: US Government 101... Of course he'll be dictated to. But he's damn well going to be a well-paid flunky, and those free-software advocates don't have the scratch. | |
|   clrankin Premium join:2002-03-05 Purcellville, VA
| Call and write the Commerce Department Perhaps if the Commerce Department were to start getting overwhelmed with phone calls and letters from the general public, they might change their stance on allowing both sides of the argument to be heard... -- "Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are." - Meat Loaf, Bat out of Hell II | |
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@rr.com | Re: Call and write the Commerce Department OK, what's the # to call? Or address to send items to? | |
|   garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY
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| typical this is a clear illustration of the typical response to ANY citizen input to our gov't, which is SUPPOSED to be representing us.
ever try to write a letter to your senator/congressperson? do you ever feel the canned response you get back is worth less than 5 year old used toilet paper?
i have probably written hundreds of letters expressing views on broadband issues, environmental issues, taxation, justice, etc. and what i get back is blatantly "yadda yadda" responses to my concerns.
i believe firmly it's time to write an amendment to the u.s. constitution to allow for a vote of no-confidence by popular referendum, as they do in other countries that have largely parlimentary systems. this would allow the PEOPLE the chance to throw the damn bums out and start over with new voices that aren't for hire by large corporations, without sacrificing any gov't stability at the same time. i do NOT feel very confident that my senators and congresspeople represent me at all, nor do they represent any of their actual constituents (unless of course they fork over thousands of dollars).
this latest exercise in futility to have the people's voices heard makes me angry, very angry!
what a crock of sh*t. | |
|   tracerbullet Llama Herder
join:2001-08-01 Colchester, VT | LMAO LMAO..more evidence of how our goverment is clearly "stacked" with spineless corporate puppets.
Oh well, I know what issues will be swaying my votes come November. | |
|   rgoulet
join:2000-10-27 Pittsburgh, PA
| Here is an idea This is what our republic has come to? Citizens barred from public debate, having to force their way into the discussion?
Here is an idea. Every time you feel the urge to buy a new CD--DON'T. Keep your $17. Then take $1 of that $17 you just saved, and send it to one of the groups that is trying to stand up for our rights, freedoms, republic, everything we hold dear. Then go borrow that CD from your public library. Your country will soon be a better place, and its citizens will thanks you in the years to come.
If we can't be in Washington to push our own way to the mic, let's support those who can. | |
|  xrobertcmx Premium join:2001-06-18 Sterling, VA clubs:  | Well I've done what I can, wrote congress again, and again, and again, and again, and maybe one day someone will read it. | |
|  |   sporkme drop the crantini and move it, sister Premium,MVM join:2000-07-01 Budd Lake, NJ | Re: Well Anyone have a list of which congress-critters are involved? | |
|  |  |  mitska
join:2001-12-25 Sarasota, FL | Re: Well Politician, a professional, lying, ass-kisser...I think it is going to be a VERY long list...... | |
|  |  |  xrobertcmx Premium join:2001-06-18 Sterling, VA clubs:  | try www.congress.org | |
|  mycupidemail
join:2002-06-25 Tampa, FL
| November Elactions... They are all sleeze, no matter who we vote for. As soon as they are elected, the money pours in, and they are corrupted. While many politicians are also Lawyers, they can just rationalize their choices with legalese - or create their own.
Until the day all Lawyers are shot and killed, this will happen. Of course, when the economy keeps tanking and Wall Street finally dives further as foreign investors pull their money out, they will turn on their own. Can't get blood from a stone.
That is when it will REALLY get interesting - eh Mr Valenti?
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|  |   Polaris5 All Hail, The Vulture From Van Nuys
join:2002-03-26 old RIA of A
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| Re: November Elections... Yeah, um, good point, but elections are the only real power people have. There are an awful lot of people on these boards...most are pissed off as hell.
But how many unregistered are getting registered, NOW? They have do it in advance and it doesn't take that long. (People sometimes seem to act like it's worse than a trip to the dentist. )
I read a lot about letter-writing, but that won't really do anything. Votes against incumbents...elections lost, political careers ended...that's the only thing that affects the remaining incumbents.
And it's consistent with the general complaint people raise, "As soon as they get in there, they're corrupted!" So, what do people have to lose? Keep tossing out the politicians until they finally start listening. Even if they never do, if voters can't stand them, they risk nothing by trading them in for others. One thing's for sure though...politicians with career-lengths and 'seniority' that mirror Jack Valenti's won't listen and won't change...EVER, no matter how many times people complain.
There are thousands, if not millions of people egregiously put off by the state of affairs in this field. If they dispensed with boycotts and letter-writing campaigns, and simply had the basic perseverance to bide their time and go to the polls one day out of every 2 years, things would start to change. I'll be there in November, helping to say 'Adios' to every politician currently in office. [text was edited by author 2002-07-20 05:54:11] | |
|   smiff
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| We really need to recruit people to fight DRM Digital Rights Management (DRM) will effect tons of people. We really need to recruit those people to help fight DRM. Here's my list of possible allies.
When recruiting organizations to help fight DRM, here is a good introductory link:
»www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html (The Right to Read)
Who should be concerned about DRM?
--- Churches
Ministers certainly have good reason to be concerned about DRM. I know ministers who print out articles, cartoons, etc., and file them away until Christmas, Easter, or whenever they come in handy for a sermon.
Religious organizations have been a driving force behind protesting certain types of music and movies. They certainly don't want to pay Vivendi Universal every time they distribute a sample of controversial music to their colleagues and representatives. Nor do they want to beg Disney for permission to post a controversial video clip on their web site. Church parishioners do not want to drag their VCR to church just because their tape won't play on any other VCRs. Married couples would like to give away copies of their wedding video. They won't be happy to find out they can't copy it because their Sony minidisc assumes it's copyrighted content.
Furthermore, churches would certainly like the ability to publish scripts that will play a movie but skip over (or blur out) sections that the church disapproves of. Churches might also start to wonder why congress 'promotes' pornography by granting copyrights on it. Finally, churches won't take kindly to the assumption that their parishioners are all thieves.
The printing press [1] was one of the things that brought us out of the dark ages. With the ability to quickly reproduce writings, the Bible became universally available. People were able to see that what the church said, did not match what the Bible said. Contrast this with DRM. Without the ability to archive DRM content, publishers can rewrite old news articles to remove embarrassments (such as Jack Valenti comparing the VCR to the Boston strangler). Thus we end up with an Orwellian revisionist history where no one can pull up old news articles to contrast them with news of today (such as Jack Valenti saying he approved of VCRs). If the church in the dark ages had this sort of power over the 'official' version of the Bible, would we still live in the dark ages?
Religious organizations usually have their own means of distributing news, completely independent of the mass media. Seeing as the mass media clearly does not want the public to think critically about DRM issues (they're too busy lobbying for it), churches are probably the best suited news agency to inform the public.
[1] The government responded to the printing press by granting "copyrights" to certain publishers whom they trusted to only print approved material. And thus we have the origins of copyright as a tool of censorship. With this then-recent history in mind, the intellectual rights clause of the constitution was carefully worded to avoid abuse. It is questionable if congress even has the power to mandate DRM systems.
--- Open Source Developers
In order for open source software to gain widespread acceptance, it absolutely has to be able to work with mainstream content. No one will use an open source operating system if they can not use it to read the news, watch DVDs, or listen to music. For open source to survive, either DRM must die, or DRM policies must allow open source implementations. If DRM policies go forward as planned, open source software won't even run on new computers. If the CBDTPA goes through as planned, open source software will simply be outlawed. Open source developers have a bigger stake in the DRM issue than anyone else.
--- Person's with Disabilities
Blind people would like to read books, but they can't see the text. They need some way to send the content to a text-to-speech engine, or to a braille machine. For most consumer goods, the cost of developing DRM systems can be spread across millions of devices. For braille equipment, that cost will be spread across a much smaller niche market, shouldering disabled people with an unfair burden.
--- Auto Mechanics
DRM is a threat to independent auto mechanics. If small auto shops need explicit permission from an auto manufacturer to access a car's computer, they may as well close up shop and send their customers to a certified dealership. With GM's plans for a drive-by-wire car [1][2], this will become all the more critical.
[1] »www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.0···ars.html (GM's Billion-Dollar Bet [2] »slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/0···1836257" (GM's Billion Dollar Fuel Cell Bet)
--- Computing Academics
Academics would like to be able to discuss computing technologies. When a magazine is barred from publishing a decryption algorithm simply because their readers could misuse the knowledge, it creates a chilling effect over other academic works.
The forefront of technology involves research to generate transcripts of television broadcasts, identify objects displayed in movies, and optimize compression algorithms to work well with contemporary music. It would be little use to generate transcripts of movies if the software only works on home movies of college students in northern California. Real world test results require real world data. Under the proposed DRM systems, researchers would have to get permission from content producers to conduct their research. That permission is likely to come with strings (i.e. researcher must sign a non-disclosure agreement, researcher must be insured against damages, content producer gets a stake in any related patents). By mandating DRM systems, congress would effectively grant rights which the constitution would not allow under copyright alone.
Educators frequently copy bits and pieces of content for classroom displays and research papers.
--- Civil Liberties Organizations
DRM is just plain wrong. It allows content producers to exercise rights that congress is constitutionally prohibited from granting.
Some DRM systems invade people's privacy. Microsoft's media player, for example, sends data to Microsoft indicating what CDs their customers listen to. Presumably, in the future companies will compile and sell this data much like they sell credit records, thus giving insurance companies, lawyers, and countless others access to people's private life styles.
DRM systems tend to prohibit competition. The proposed DRM systems impose a large barrier to entry for anyone who wants to develop a DRM related product. The system imposes rules which would be unconstitutional if congress set them. So someone who wishes to sell a video player which protects its customer's data, must sign a non-disclosure agreement, pay a huge fee to read the specifications, and risk having their access cut off if they do something the DRM specification agency disagrees with. The DRM specification agency may even change its policies, and require DRM systems to report back data to help catch pirates. It looks like the system was set up keep control of mass media in the hands of a few large companies. This parallels the original use of copyrights, to make sure only approved publishers could use a printing press, and is exactly what the framers of our constitution intended to avoid.
The DRM system is a standard. Standards have been abused by industries in the past. Companies will lobby for new features in a standard, not because it's beneficial to the standard, but because their competitors do not yet have that feature. Presumably, if a small DRM system actually became popular, the people who run the DRM specification agency are likely to add new 'features' to the standard so that the entrenched partners can maintain an advantage over the little guy. It is doubtful that they would add such features until someone actually threatens their monopoly.
Years ago, the radio was proclaimed as a means for the ordinary man to have his voice heard. That dream disappeared as the FCC developed regulations which put control of broadcasting in the hands of a few people. When open standards for the world wide web were developed, it was proclaimed as a means for everyone to speak their mind. If DRM systems do not allow open standards, open standards will die off. Over time, support for legacy open standards will be phased out. If someone wants to publish on the internet, they will then need to invest in a proprietary (read expensive) server solution insuring that only the wealthy are able to speak effectively. Knocking poor people off their soap box is no way to promote progress in the arts.
The proposed DRM systems are designed as a privilege for the major media companies. If small content producers wish to protect their content, they will have to pay fees which they can not recoup in their small markets. While it's not clear if piracy is truly a threat to the major media companies, it is quite clear that proposed DRM systems are designed as an anti-competitive tool to keep small content producers from competing with the big boys.
Right after the World Trade Center attacks, people copied video of the attacks off the TV and used it in their own creative works to express their feelings about the attack. They then posted their creative works on the internet. People did the same thing with music. These people were not trying to compete with the original content producers. They simply wanted to express their opinion, and they used readily available music and television coverage to assist them. DRM would silence this sort of expression.
Copyright should provide just enough incentive to produce content, and no more. It is not congress's job to maximize Hollywood's profits. While Hollywood may lose a small amount of money to pirates (which has yet to be proven), they still reap huge rewards from honest people. It would be patently absurd to sell out honest people's rights just to boost Hollywood's profit margin by five percent.
--- Search Engines
In order to index a web site, either the content producer has to provide a (possibly biased) index, or the search engine has to read the content. Google's ability to read Word and PDF files is beneficial to the entire internet, including the content producers.
If current research to identify objects in graphics becomes practical, the ability to process pictures and index their content in various languages would certainly be helpful. A similar argument applies to many other forms of content.
--- Consumer Protection
Hollywood wants tech companies to sell crippled equipment. They want such basic features as fast-forward to be disabled at their command. DVD players will refuse to play legally obtained movies that were purchased in a different country.
There have been proposals to make equipment self destruct (stop working) when keys are leaked or discovered. There have been proposals to make equipment that phones home to report on what content is being consumed. Hollywood has suggested that TVs and other electronics should be built specifically so that they can not be repaired if damaged (since if something can be repaired, it can be hacked).
All of the restrictions devalue the product. Seeing as pirated goods would come without restrictions, they would actually be worth more than non-pirated goods.
The Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is a hardware device that self destructs when tampered with. This modules is expensive to produce. The tech industry is an order of magnitude larger than the entertainment industry. One has to wonder if the TPM will actually cost more than all the content that it certifies.
In a proper DRM scheme, Hollywood would pay a tax to cover the cost of DRM hardware. Such a tax may double the cost of their product and drop their audience by three fourths, but it would at least place the burden of paying for these systems in the right place. Increased costs would also increase the demand for piracy.
Many consumers keep a library of content. They certainly have the right to transfer that library from old standards (vinyl, audio tapes, film) to new standards (CDs, computers, DVDs) and tomorrow they should have the right to transfer their library to the latest and greatest standard.
Since copyright lasts longer than the media that content is distributed on, consumers must have the right to archive content, copying it from one physical device to another. Without such an ability, popular culture will rot away before it has a chance to enter the public domain.
Absolutely nothing in the DRM proposals helps the consumer.
--- Independent Recording Artists and Small Content Producers
While many recording artists may approve of DRM, the current proposals don't help them at all. Quite to the contrary, current proposals leave them two options: leave their content unprotected, or join up with the RIAA. The power structure between artist and publisher is already grossly unbalanced. Giving the publisher more power over the artist goes against everything copyright is intended to do.
The same situation applies to small content producers. They must either sign up with a major publisher, or leave their content unprotected.
If DRM systems go forward, they should at least help the artists!
--- Professional Pirates!
Someone has got to ask, "how will professional pirates react to DRM systems?" There is no way to stop professional pirates from continuing their practices. Hollywood can not close all the holes.
In order to insure that all software is trusted, including bug fixes, there must be a quick, automated mechanism to do so. The key management agency can not audit all code. A pirate could bribe/blackmail/become a software developer and place an exploitable hole in a trusted piece of software.
Supposing Hollywood actually closes the digital hole, they still have to deal with the analog hole. Sound can be recorded almost perfectly by soldering a wire to a speaker coil. Analog to digital converters can be made by hand using parts from an ordinary pocket radio, or with a quick stop at Radio Shack. Is Hollywood going to demand that congress ban home electronics?
While putting up small barriers may stop less determined pirates, there will always be someone determined enough to follow through. Hollywood is quick to point out that once pirated content finds its way onto the internet, there is no stopping it (if this is true, DRM systems will do nothing to stop piracy. If this is false, we don't need DRM systems in the first place). As more content is released with a certain private key, the rewards for capturing it become greater and greater.
Even if Hollywood completely closes both the digital and analog holes, pirates will still find a way. They can bribe or blackmail people in the DRM key management agency. They can break into the key storage facility and steal the private key. They can go in with guns blazing and steal the private key! If all else fails, they can destroy all buildings that house the private key, thus preventing Hollywood from protecting any future content.
As Hollywood puts up more barriers, perpetrators will simply break those barriers more aggressively. Much like the war on drugs is worse than the drugs themselves, we may find that a war on piracy is worse than piracy itself.
--- Is Piracy Actually a Problem?
Before taking any action, someone has got to question if piracy is actually a problem. When piano rolls were invented, music publishers claimed that it would destroy their business (they were wrong). When radio stations began playing music, record labels claimed that it would destroy their business (now they pay radio stations to play their music). When the audio cassette was invented, record labels claimed that it would destroy their business (they later made a fortune selling audio tapes). When the VCR was invented, the MPAA sued to have it banned (now 1/3 of the MPAA's revenue comes from home video sales). When DeCSS was developed, the MPAA sued claiming that it would lead to viral piracy and the destruction of their industry. DeCSS is now readily available all over the internet, yet the MPAA is making record profits.
Today, major content producers are screaming that the internet will destroy their industry (while bringing in record profits at the same time). If history is any indication, major content producers would be well advised to embrace the internet. The biggest industry on the internet, pornography, manages incredible profits without any form of copy protection at all. Considering the music industry's dismal sales of DRM protected songs, and Sony's dismal sales of DRM protected hardware, one has to question the wisdom of forcing DRM systems upon ordinary consumer electronics.
--- Resources
The Electronic Privacy Information Center's comments to the Commerce Department:
»www.epic.org/privacy/drm/tadrmco···.02.html (EPIC Comments on DRM) | |
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