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| wrong This is absolutely wrong. Not everyone has an internet connection to the internet nor has it on thier game system. i do not have a connection to the internet on my game system. I hope this will hurt their sales and show them this is a bad idea.
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| Re: wrong Agreed. Let the games using this fail miserably and see how long this idea lasts. You can be rest assured if this game has poor sales, the company will walk away from this method. Some how, I see this happening. I can't fathom that customers are going to want to mess with verifying their game every ten days either. Hence, this idea is bound to fail | |
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| said by jc100  :Agreed. Let the games using this fail miserably and see how long this idea lasts. You can be rest assured if this game has poor sales, the company will walk away from this method. Some how, I see this happening. I can't fathom that customers are going to want to mess with verifying their game every ten days either. Hence, this idea is bound to fail Can you fathom the average person that buys the game isn't aware of this type of piracyy measure or really doesn't care? | |
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join:2002-04-10
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| Re: wrong That's what I'm banking on to make it fail. The average user is not going to be keen enough to have to register his or her game every 10 days. I imagine EA's customer support line will be inundated with hellish amounts of upset people. Once they are informed there is no work around, I can foresee them not buying such titles again. No average Joe Schmoe is going to want to dicker with registering every 10 days. To make matters worse, most people aren't tech savvy. Therefore, you are requiring them to have internet to play a game they legally purchased. I foresee this upsetting quite a large number of the laymen out there. Sure, most probably will have internet, but it's a huge pain to constantly have to verify one's game. | |
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join:2004-07-28
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| Re: wrong said by tc1uscg :just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco. Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it.
Anyways back to topic at hand. it's dumb. won't work. they'll give it up. problem solved. | |
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Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
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| Re: wrong said by BF69 :said by tc1uscg :just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco. Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it. Anyways back to topic at hand. it's dumb. won't work. they'll give it up. problem solved. I feel the exact same way! No Sony hardware in my house,PERIOD. As far as Movies? I watch consumer friendly copies ROFL!!! Games with this type of DRM aren't new, Bioshock pioneered this bullshit, I MADE SURE I had an "enhanced" copy available to ANYONE that wants it..this is OVER THE top, I don't want to RENT game titles at RETAIL PRICES...FUCK EA
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| said by BF69 :said by tc1uscg :just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco. Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it. Ummm yes, I don't buy any Sony-branded product ever since the utterly fuckin' arrogant reaction of 'they don't even know what rootkit is', made by that former telco-media worm slimeball, Stringer.
Hell yes, I'd love to see Sony dying - and Sony Music WILL die very soon (interestingly enough headed by Stringer's bro, the other slimeball), next will be Sony Pictures, one of the biggest shitmaker studio.
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join:2002-04-10 | I think that already exists. It's the breathalyser for drunks. If alcohol is on you breath, the car won't start. Sure its not a true to earth verification, but not far off =). | |
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tempnexus
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Boston, MA
| if the game fails to meet expectations they will blame it on the pirates and not the new copyright system.. Which will foster the new for better more intrusive copyright system. This story has been done over and over. Whenever failure occurs just blame it on the pirates and bittorents...hey it's an easy cheap scapegoat. | |
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| How is this wrong??? (Your point is valid yet..)...getting their permission, every 9 days, to play a game you paid for. Do they reimburse you for your connection?
Every PC gamer I know either has a cablemodem, DSL or FIOS.
How do you get mods? Patches? Driver fixes? Updates? Multiplayer?
The point here is that they are using relabeled "malware" (ie Sony Rootkit...) as a way for it to phone home that it is legit. SECURom is a clamp. And they REQUIRE (on the box) an internet connection (although its not a multiplayer game)
(However, had they mentioned this BEFORE I pre-ordered it, I doubt I would have done so...)
Sell the title for $29 and it will move.
Selling it for $50 (still $10 less than 360 version and INCLUDES additional level that 360 owners paid extra for!)
and you better factor in lost sales to pirated versions.
Don't they get it?
BTW, I cancelled my pre-order. (I played it on the 360 and that is that). Mainly because I feel I, as a paying gamer, should not be held accountable for the miscreants that will pirate it. Bet the feature is cracked in two weeks anyway.
I got my $ back from Gamestop schmucks...  | |
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join:2004-01-01
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: wrong I completely agree. Why is the PC industry plunging? Because they charge the same amount for a PC game as a 360 game, but they don't pay the licensing fees like they do with the PS3 or 360.
I NEVER, Pay more than 40 bucks for a game. That's not the sweet spot, it how it should be.
Games now off my list:
Spore - Sorry
Mass Effect - Sorry Again | |
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disconnected
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| Re: wrong Get ready for a big campaign, because the world of software is in the process of transitioning to an online, host-based model--your PC of the near future will be but a dumb terminal and you will rent ALL software use by the hour, online, requiring an internet connection to use any program.
I got this information from a Microsoft-certified programmer who works with everything from .NET to Silverlight.
The days of disc-based software are coming to an end. And the users won't have any say in the matter. | |
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join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| Re: wrong Pity that's a very, very wrong view.
Number one, a vast majority of users won't go for the "pay per use" pricing model.
Number two, those of us tech-savvy enough will simply break into the servers, copy the programs, and offer them for free download, with the appropriate patch.
Piracy will never stop, no matter what idiotic measures devs take (this, for instance, will be easily beaten probably before both games mentioned in the article are even officially released, given the current efficiency of cracking teams). I'm just waiting for the day people say, "To hell with paying for ideas and information, this kind of thing should be free." | |
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join:2008-01-27
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| said by disconnected :
I got this information from a Microsoft-certified programmer who works with everything from .NET to Silverlight.
The days of disc-based software are coming to an end. And the users won't have any say in the matter.
Wring, Wrang, Wrung, Wrong.
1) With all the ISP's moving to metered pay-by-the-byte billing ( see »Cable Broadband Users, Get Ready For Overage Fees ) people won't be able to afford it.
2) You're assuming that everybody actually has a fast broadband connection. Believe it or not, many people still don't.
3) The entire concept is illegal under HIPAA and under banking regulations. You don't want to even THINK about the military's reaction.
4) Are they gonna outlaw linux?
5) How much is Osama bin Laden paying Steve Ballmer to put this through? A suicide squad dressed as construction workers rents half-a-dozen backhoes, knocks out the lines to MS, Oracle, Adobe, etc, and the USA shuts down. Dohhhhh. | |
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join:2005-02-11
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| said by AsssEffect :
The point here is that they are using relabeled "malware" (ie Sony Rootkit...) as a way for it to phone home that it is legit. Come on, MALWARE? You're really stretching it. If this is malware, then so is the anti-virus program that auto-updates its virus definitions. | |
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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| Re: wrong "Come on, MALWARE? You're really stretching it. If this is malware, then so is the anti-virus program that auto-updates its virus definitions."
Obviously a comment from someone who's never had multiple AV programs act like malware and continually try to auto-update even after the user checks "don't auto-update" a few dozen times. Or had an AV program delete a legitimate, software program that a user paid for because it decides that any FTP serving software must be malware or a trojan without even giving the user a chance to stop it.
But I digress. I'm afraid, sadly, that this crap won't fail. Why? Look at Steam. Plenty of people said Steam would fail, Half Life 2 would fail because of it, and Steam is still going strong. The average user is probably just going to let it attempt to connect to the internet as often as it wants and not pay attention to what it's doing. I, too, plan on cancelling my preorder for Spore, however, just as I refused to play Half-Life 2. Why? Because when I buy a game that's for offline play, I do NOT want to have to connect to the internet. Period. It doesn't matter that my PC is on 24/7 and on a cable connection. It's the principle of the matter. I'm sure they'll include this garbage in Sims 3 too when it comes out next year, so, sadly, I won't be playing that either. It really is a shame, because I built my new system under the premise that it would need to be able to handle whatever Sims 3 could throw at it. Oh well. Their loss. I'll find other games to play that don't make me feel like a criminal.
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| Re: wrong said by danawhitaker :But I digress. I'm afraid, sadly, that this crap won't fail. Why? Look at Steam. Plenty of people said Steam would fail, Half Life 2 would fail because of it, and Steam is still going strong. The average user is probably just going to let it attempt to connect to the internet as often as it wants and not pay attention to what it's doing. The difference being that after the initial registration and activation of Half-Life 2 you can switch to Offline-Mode and never need to bother with activations and phone-home. Steam will NOT update the game or call home (from personal experience).
Spore and Mass Effect require an initial registration/activation, then a 10 day phone-home verification. EVERY 10 days. And if you're a day late BLAM your software becomes unusable. So... See the difference?
A single activation versus 10 days is a very different matter. I _wanted_ Mass Effect. It won't be seeing my desktop... legitimately at least. | |
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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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BZZZZT. Wrong guess! No "authentication" servers exist anymore. Program won't run. | |
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join:2007-07-17 | Re: wrong I'm surprised no one else had pointed that out yet. You'd be totally screwed if it wasn't for the hackers making game cracks. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2007-07-17 | Re: wrong Yeah, it keeps seeming more likely that those cyberpunk movies may have gotten the future right after all. | |
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| It will be cracked Give some of these guys 10 days and it will be cracked.
I have no problem with verifying CD Keys, but what other information is being gathered from your PC when doing this?
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More fiber than ATT can handle
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Chicago, IL
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| Re: It will be cracked What you should be more worried about is what happens if you activate the game, reinstall the entire OS on the same hardware and then attempt to activate the game a second time?
What happens if you buy the game, decide it's crap and then sell it to someone else. Is there a 10 day delay before the new owner can play the game? Or does your activation tie the game to your computer once and forever more?
What happens if you upgrade from XP to Vista? What number of software/hardware changes trigger a failure in the activation mechanism? | |
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join:2005-09-01
| Re: It will be cracked said by justbits :What you should be more worried about is what happens if you activate the game, reinstall the entire OS on the same hardware and then attempt to activate the game a second time? What happens if you buy the game, decide it's crap and then sell it to someone else. Is there a 10 day delay before the new owner can play the game? Or does your activation tie the game to your computer once and forever more? What happens if you upgrade from XP to Vista? What number of software/hardware changes trigger a failure in the activation mechanism? Also important: what happens if the game company goes under? Your game becomes useless. | |
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join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
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| Re: It will be cracked said by Necronomikro :Also important: what happens if the game company goes under? Your game becomes useless. Amen!! As Microsoft itself proved to the world with the shuttering of MSN Music. If Microsoft with it's deep pockets won't keep their DRM servers open for existing customers what makes anyone think these tightwad gaming companies will do any better. Rest assured they have "planned obsolescence" in their accounting, business and marketing plans!
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| said by Necronomikro :Also important: what happens if the game company goes under? Your game becomes useless. You could just go to a place like gameduplicateplanet.com or similar type place for the crack and you'd be done. | |
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Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| said by bentman78 :Give some of these guys 10 days and it will be cracked. 10 Days. Hardly. Assuming they don't get their hands on it early; since its a SecuROM game it'll probably take a day, 2 tops!
Good thing every piece of software doesn't do this (free or otherwise). I keep trying to get on the internet, but I can get a dam word in edge-wise with all the phone home requests.  | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
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| I see two games I won't be buying now. It's really too bad. I'd have liked to play Spore but this DRM bs is getting out of hand. The pirates will crack it in a matter of days if not hours. All this is going to do is piss off legitimate buyers of the game. Didn't these idiots learn anything from Bioshock? | |
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| In a couple years... So, when I decide to install/play one of these games in a couple years, what do I do? There probably won't be anywhere to phone-home to, making my software worthless? The vendor may move on, but users keep these apps around. Heck, I still pop in Quake 3 and GTA3 from time to time.
I can't wait for the first DDoS attack that prevents the use of these games. | |
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| Re: In a couple years... said by snkeyes69 :
So, when I decide to install/play one of these games in a couple years, what do I do? There probably won't be anywhere to phone-home to, making my software worthless? The vendor may move on, but users keep these apps around. Heck, I still pop in Quake 3 and GTA3 from time to time.
I can't wait for the first DDoS attack that prevents the use of these games.
They will issue a patch to remove it. Or keep the system in use so they can use it for more games.
This is a joke. I think hackers will have it patched with in days of release.
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join:2007-11-16
Endicott, NY
| Re: In a couple years... said by BosstonesOwn :They will issue a patch to remove it. Or keep the system in use so they can use it for more games. This is a joke. I think hackers will have it patched with in days of release. Actually, if recent news is anything to go by, they may just decide not to support it, and not patch it as well. | |
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | Don't buy the game What else is there to say? It's a game.
They are being up-front about the requirement. You can't knock them for that.
They think that it's in their best interest to DRM their product. | |
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punker
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join:2004-06-21
Palmdale, CA
clubs: | i found an workaround! they did it with microsoft vista
setup fake server to phone home to (hijack your own DNS settings)= activated software with fakephone home server | |
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Stefan Podhajski
@ryerson.ca
| Please! Consoles are gaining ground in the gaming market. Eveyone I knew who pir8ed pc games gave up on it and moved to consoles because it's a joke. Copy the disc and stick it in, no serial numbers and no activation crap. Pure plug and play at its best. People will go to the path of least resistance. I guess the next step is serial number activation on consoles. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| The inherent contempt EA has for its consumers... Never fails to amaze me. One only needs to have bought BF2 and then tried to navigate EA's customer support maze to understand that contempt. It can only have been designed for one thing: to communicate to the consumer a simple message:
"We have your money. Now please, f*** right off. A patch will be along someday. Or not."
Getting an answer out of that system that substantively addresses a technical issue is slightly harder than the search for The Holy Grail.
And the stock gun settings in BF2 could not hit the broadside of a barn. | |
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jwersan
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, and RichK1957
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| Re: The inherent contempt EA has for its consumers... said by Doctor Four :Far from discouraging piracy, it turns former legal users of their games into pirates as they get sick of the onerous DRM and resort to downloading the cracked version. DING!!!
Which is EXACTLY what I did to be able to play DOOM3!
I had a legal copy of the game and could NOT get it to run due to their DRM, had to resort to a "hack" to get it to run.
While I don't disagree that piracy may cut into their profits, I think the DRM is costing them even more.
Hence the reason I don't by PC games anymore. 
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY
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| Re: The inherent contempt EA has for its consumers... said by jwersan :said by Doctor Four :Far from discouraging piracy, it turns former legal users of their games into pirates as they get sick of the onerous DRM and resort to downloading the cracked version. DING!!! Which is EXACTLY what I did to be able to play DOOM3! I had a legal copy of the game and could NOT get it to run due to their DRM, had to resort to a "hack" to get it to run. Umm...Id typically removes the CD check in the first or second patch of their games. Even Quake4's CD check was removed in a patch. | |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
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| said by Doctor Four :About the only thing that will make EA sit up (or wake up) and take notice is if their stock tanks. But it won't plunge - they will just do consoles that make a bunch of money and are far harder to crack and leave folks who prefer to game on their PC's out in the dark with their stock price unharmed.
More than likely - they want people to stop buying PC games because of the piracy issues and this is a step toward that. | |
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digitalfreak
Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH
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join:2002-06-13
Galena, OH | consumer vs pirate hmm $50 on spore for a dvd that will scratch/fail and ridic drm checks, or a no problem free pirated copy. man no wonder the pc industry is #1 | |
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Epic Fail EA(all game producers) need to wake-up.
NoCD/NoDVD cracks are usually out within days or a week to eliminate the damn disc insertion.
Let's see... I get one of these POS games and install it on one of my laptops.
I'm out and away from any internet connectivity and the time frame drops and it wants to phone the Mother Ship...
My $50 game dies?
I cannot play it any more?
Best case, I have to get to connectivity and go through the KGB to get EA to un-fuck the game so I can play it again?
Yeah, that's real tasty looking! NOT!
See Gun
See Foot
BANG!
Great move EA! 
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DragonFire
join:2000-07-15
Cedar Hill, MO
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| Re: Epic Fail I agree, things were so simple back in the Quake,Duke Nukem, Need For speed (Org) days. Whats more amusing about this is that I bet more people paid for those games then they do newer games because of this BS.
I will admit that when it comes to EA games, the only ones I'll pay for is Simcity. Need for speed has become a joke, The Sims 2 is a joke with there endless expansion packs...
I paid for F.E.A.R and now that punkbuster no longer supports the game, I find that I've wasted my money..
I'm sorry but I'm at the point that it's easier to download the game and crack it. Why the hell should I keep forking out $50-60 per game to companies like EA when they keep making not only sucky games but then make it even harder to just play the dam thing.
Games should only need a internet connection if you plan to play them online, it's that simple. If software companies are so worried about losing money, perhaps they should start making better games instead of this BS of "lets see how fast we can get it out" | |
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| It won't stop people from pirating, and it will cost sales$$ Their attempt will be futile and will actually DECREASE sales. There are those who believe that such a system is invasive and opens your computer to privacy theft. Therefore they will NOT buy the game, either on principle or fear of having their computer hacked. Lost sales.
The next issue is whether it will stop piracy of the game : it won't. To have a system like this in place, the computer will interrupt CPU tasks to check the key, go out to the internet, make sure it is legit, and then get a response stating its a legit copy.
First of all, that's a waste of resources on your computer, your internet connection, etc. But it still won't stop the pirates. They simply check the assemby code for this call/response routine and patch so it always thinks its getting a valid response (if yes then continue, if no shut down will always get a YES). You can affect this call/response routine in several places.
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join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA
| Re: I will wait Guess what happens when you get 20 different DRM programs all running in the background waiting for their turn to check in. Many like to watch your CD writer to make sure you don't copy the disk. Others may check you HD for cracks or NoCD or alcohol 120%, etc. when they get bored.
I just don't like all that crap running that DO anything useful. Something is gonna get screwed up sooner or later.
As it is i need a NoCD crack for FLatout2 since it takes several tries to get past the damn (securom i think) CD check now. And it doesn't work at all if i try to play right after playing a particular game that also has a CD check. And that machine only has 6 games on it total!! I would like about 20+ loaded on it but they just don't play nice enough all the time.
Not to mention all the hacks i need to get sometime for my vintage games since the key disks are starting to go bad. | |
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