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LiamJunket
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| Re: I hope they don't mess this up said by AnonProxy  :Sometimes the gov't being involved is a very bad thing. Almost always the gov't being involved is a very bad thing. | |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA | Re: I hope they don't mess this up Name change #???  | |
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firephoto
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join:2003-03-18 | Re: I hope they don't mess this up The name changes only when his side loses or sticks things where they don't belong. | |
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anticapitalism
@comcast.net | If the government doesn't step in, who will? We need to have more government involvement with issues that involve the people. Enough with the "less government" bs that worked to get us to this point. | |
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LiamJunket
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Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: I hope they don't mess this up said by anticapitalism :
If the government doesn't step in, who will? We need to have more government involvement with issues that involve the people. Enough with the "less government" bs that worked to get us to this point.
I think the name you chose to post with says it all - "anticapitalism". But you need a couple of aliases besides - socialism and fascism. | |
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tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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| said by anticapitalism :
If the government doesn't step in, who will? We need to have more government involvement with issues that involve the people. said by LiamJunket : Almost always the gov't being involved is a very bad thing. We need to step back and evaluate which activities are best left to private enterprise and which are best performed by government as a public good. One only has to look at country’s where government had broken down to see the negative impact on citizenry and private enterprise.
To cite a few examples.
The Interstate highway system created a much-improved surface transportation infrastructure. Private companies are able to exploit that infrastructure to deliver a variety of services that would not be possible if it did not exist.
The Internet is another excellent example of government developing a new technology, which was initially dismissed by private enterprise. Once the technology is sufficiently developed entrepreneurs figured out creative ways to exploit it. Such as this site and the interesting discussion we are having.
Air Transport is another example of private/public partnership. Government provides airports and air control system as a public infrastructure allowing private airlines to deliver services to customers.
Lastly much in the way of medical discoveries are initiated by the public sector. It is true private enterprise spends huge sums of research money but that is mainly product development not pure scientific research.
We need to examine the Internet in the same light. Are there areas where competition does not exist or where a few dominant players’ wield stranglehold on how network is utilized? In that case it is appropriate for government to set in and set standards designed to maximize public good.
In other areas where strong competition exists and barriers to entry are low government should stay out, other then regulations pertaining to good business practices, such as accounting and fairness in advertising.
Many of us have either demonized or sainted government and private enterprise, depending on political outlook. One needs to realize they are symbiotic and need each other to flourish. The difficulty is determining where to locate that boundary.
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| Re: I hope they don't mess this up Many of us have either demonized or sainted government and private enterprise, depending on political outlook. One needs to realize they are symbiotic and need each other to flourish. The difficulty is determining where to locate that boundary. Your whole post is correct and well written. Thank you. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| said by anticapitalism :
If the government doesn't step in, who will? We need to have more government involvement with issues that involve the people. Enough with the "less government" bs that worked to get us to this point. The government has become most of our problems. The government is there to stay outside the sidelines watching in, then when something goes wrong, to continue to stay out watching in to make sure that it self-heals eventually, but that if it does not self-heal (i.e., dies off or grows up), then the government must step in TEMPORARILY to keep our society civil and high class, adjusting things LIGHTLY until it has finished righting the course, and BEFORE it has even finished getting fixed, it should WITHDRAW, stay on the sidelines until it is sure that it is not needed to fix its own mess, then get out of the way again, outside the sidelines, watching in, as needed. "WATCHING IN" is us the people who then activate the government, not NSA and BIG BROTHER watching us.
What we need is less government. Other forums have ample examples of how it has become the source of most our problems. E.g., with our economy, energy, and environment, government forbids nuclear power. Instead it ought to be temporarily kick-starting it! | |
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
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| yeah that's right we should let corporations, especially in oligarchies basically due as they please and have their "customers" constantly being asked to bend over and grab their ankles. No more than ever we need a government to regulate corporations because without doing so, most citizens will get screwed over, while a very small percentage will end up with all the cash and the power. A country that has a huge discrepency betweeen the have and have nots is doomed to failure. A country needs a balance between capitalism and government regulation. | |
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Maddogmike
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Cleveland, OH | i agree with you on that, but giving these companies free reign is also a bad thing. if the gov't gets involved, hopefully they don't fuck it up. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Yep. Get ready for even higher prices if the government levies additional regulation on this country's ISPs. | |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | OMG! BBReports used an actual news source! Amazing! The AP on Yahoo. But, as usual, slanted reporting. | |
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Encino, CA
| Re: I hope they don't mess this up said by supergirl :OMG! BBReports used an actual news source! Amazing! The AP on Yahoo. But, as usual, slanted reporting. They certainly do quote news sources, and a long history of doing just that. However, that fact gets lost on those who don't read. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: I hope they don't mess this up Yeah, right.
It's sad that I actually miss Karl's ultra-left views when he's on vacation and leaves KathrynV in charge. | |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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Michigan City, IN | CC I hope that Comcast gets whats coming to them. | |
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LiamJunket
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Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: CC said by ztmike :I hope that Comcast gets whats coming to them. Higher profits? | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: CC Can I have some of what you're smoking?  | |
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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East Lansing, MI | Re: CC Probably spent all their money implementing packet shaping/blocking technologies ;P | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: CC That, plus allowing me 20+ Mbps download speeds (bursting of course) for the same low price. | |
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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East Lansing, MI | Re: CC Your one of the lucky ones... In my non-competitve market, we have the 6MB plan, with 8MB bursting. In reality, however, I get 2MB/256kb. It's still better than SBC. | |
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TraumaJunkie
Premium
join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN
| said by ztmike :I hope that Comcast gets whats coming to them. I do too! If forced to carry whatever traffic (regardless of the additional congestion placed on the network that affects all users) I hope Comcast and all ISPs get what's coming...just cancel the accounts of the abusers and, since many areas only have one or two broadband choices, these "power users" will finally STFU and build their own network. I mean, to listen to them (and probably people such as yourself) building a network costs no more than next year's tax refund. One, ISPs who have invested the money in providing more access to more people should not have to let anyone abuse the network when that abuse affects others and two if the govt. gets involved you better believe it will get worse (remember, the govt. passed all these laws that the RIAA is using to go after those BitTorrent, P2P, ec networks...how much $$$ do you think they will drop in the politicians pockets to require that all ISPs, once monitored by the govt., watch not only volume but look at EXACTLY WHAT is being sent across the lines and make the report available?). Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it! | |
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OB1CAN0B
@rr.com | Re: CC They never punish the abuser, they just punish everyone. It's like being in kindergarden you're whole life. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: CC Warning letters and cancellations for account abusers isn't punishment? | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: CC That argument is so tired. | |
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righton
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| said by tschmidt :Usage caps are entirely different issue. Residential ISPs made certain assumptions about typical broadband customer usage. They assumed customers would not use the service heavily allowing them to purchase/rent less back-haul capacity keeping prices low. They assumed a "data consumption" model not a server model where customers both download and upload data. Unfortunately for ISPs usage has often been different then anticipated causing congestion and impacting broadband profitability. This is especially a problem for Cable due to technical issues. Charging by usage and imposing usage caps would not be a problem if service had not been advertised as "unlimited." Users rightfully claim service was marketed as unlimited that is how they ought to be able to use it. ISPs on the other hand are struggling to keep up and tweak a business model that does not reflect how customers actually use broadband. /Tom Well put.
To call a customer who expects to get what he paid for an abuser is customer abuse by Comcast. | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Self Interest Personally I think this is possibly more along the line of self-interest on their part. If these companies can block or delay the kinds of communication they have so far, then there is no reason why political communications or communications from one of their own, possibly controversial, causes could not be blocked as well. Of course if that happens, there goes their re-election campaign. I would not be surprised to see legislation passed but with only the prohibition on "their" speech from being obstructed. Much like the do-not-call list does not apply to politicians.
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firephoto
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| Re: Self Interest The problem faced by others when someone as big as comcast blocks specific traffic is that the kind of traffic that is blocked can't be used for legitimate purposes anymore if the intended audience is anyone. If bittorrent is the ideal solution for a new company to distribute their content but they instantly cut off all comcast customers then they probably aren't going to choose bittorrent and will settle for something not as good or just not go ahead with their idea. If operations like sandvine are allowed then they are telling everyone else that they aren't allowed in the sand box to play and the ones that are already in know they could be thrown out at any time unless they pay their dues or something. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| The government has a vested interest... In maintaining an open and free(as in freedom) Internet, since it paid for a lot of it, especially in the devlopmental phase, with our tax dollars and with many tax incentives and much "looking the other way". Comcast has been caught with the meat in their mouth and lying about it. Look over at "The Consumerist" for the latest on that. It has a right and obligation to step in.
You and I have regulations we live with every day. They are called "laws". They stop or mitigate the effects of behaviors deemed bad for wider society. Even Adam Smith, ubergod of capitalism called for regulated capitalism, to mitigate the baser urges of greed and predation.
Why some feel that a capitalist business system, unfettered by any regulation and government oversight would be good is beyond me. Wait. No it's not. It's because they are greedheads. | |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | Anyone thinking that either the companies OR the government is on your side has NOT been paying attention. | |
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| Re: Costumer ??? said by AlphaOne :I know it's halloween, but what the heck is "costumer communication" ???? Nice pickup. I totally missed that.  | |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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Winterville, NC
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| Other foot How would comcast feel, if at all their peering points, some other protocol, or information, or every other packet, or whatever, was dropped, because their providers felt like comcast was doing to much of whatever...
You can bet your ass they would be bitching, or yelling for help from someone.
And unlike us, for the most part anyway, they could find someone else to provide their peering points..
I could just hear a backbone provider crying about someone using to much space on their network... LOL yeah right..
If you offer a service to people, you should expect them to use it. If they offer more than they can provide, then maybe they need to re-evaluate just what they can and can not offer.
And anyone who is saying, it is comcasts network, doesn't know their ass from a whole in the ground. The end users are paying for that network, and paying for the use of the network, and without the end users using it, and wanting it, there would BE NO NETWORK....
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comcasticzone
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| comcastic zone Why is it that the closer you get (in comcast territory) to Hollywood, Ca,, the less your expectation to use unlimited broadband as you see fit?
Hmm..?
What up with dat?
AT&T's aversion to customer privacy is also of comcastic concern...
comcastic, the VERB? well, it certainly isn't broadband... | |
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