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Send Your Enemy's Printer A DMCA Warning!
New study further highlights flaws in current DMCA process
(old news - 05:10PM Friday Jun 06 2008)
tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · bandwidth · content
As an insider recently told me, one of several ways Comcast is considering tackling excessive consumption (aside from throttling "hogs" and 250GB caps) is to boot users who get more than four DMCA warning letters in a twelve-month period. Comcast might want to reconsider.

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While booting pirates is one way to ease congestion, the process currently used to identify and warn them has been shown to be seriously flawed. The companies the entertainment industry uses aren't really accountable to anybody, and they methods they use are suspect.

To drive that point home, researchers this week at the University of Washington released a study that shows that the current DMCA-warning model is not only flawed, but it can be abused to frame other people, or their printers.
By profiling copyright enforcement in the popular BitTorrent file sharing system, we were able to generate hundreds of real DMCA takedown notices for computers at the University of Washington that never downloaded nor shared any content whatsoever. Further, we were able to remotely generate complaints for nonsense devices including several printers and a (non-NAT) wireless access point. Our results demonstrate several simple techniques that a malicious user could use to frame arbitrary network endpoints.
The full paper is here (pdf). The researchers also provide this FAQ.

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BosstonesOwn

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Stop

Please stop giving the RIAA and MPAA ideas.

I don't need them sending DMCA notices because my printer printed a word from one of their client songs

Actually that pdf is a good read. Really scary how flawed it is. Also I have to wonder if I can use this against my friends when they beat me on XBL
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permalink · 2008-06-06 17:17:47 · Reply to this
Anomaly95

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Re: Stop

said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

Please stop giving the RIAA and MPAA ideas.
If anything, they're giving ideas to the P2P users.
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:39:32 · Reply to this

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Re: Stop

Hey, real simple solution: point the IP finger at the *IAA networks and websites. For extra credit, find out what the IPs of their executives' households are and point there.
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permalink · 2008-06-07 12:34:29 · Reply to this
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Re: Stop

Indeed.

I'd get real kick out of it. If someone could take a picture of the expression on their face, it would be hilarious.
permalink · 2008-06-09 03:46:24 · Reply to this

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Guilty till you prove yourself innocent... Oh which you can'

So, piss someone off and suddenly find yourself facing total financial ruin or prison even though you're completely innocent.

Show up and court and be told that you destroyed the evidence of your crime (because you reinstalled your OS 2 months previous)

Joy.
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permalink · 2008-06-07 00:17:08 · Print · Reply to this

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Funny

what happens if you DONT have a printer hooked up then what?
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:30:40 · Reply to this
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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

what happens if you DONT have a printer hooked up then what?
the diaRIAA doesn't care. it's not even like you have to be alive to get sued by their goon squad.
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:36:00 · Reply to this

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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

what happens if you DONT have a printer hooked up then what?
I don't think you understood the article.

Printers on networks have IP addresses. The researchers were able to make it look like the IP addresses of the printers were participating in the bit torrenting of files.
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:42:55 · Reply to this

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Re: Funny

said by Omega See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

what happens if you DONT have a printer hooked up then what?
I don't think you understood the article.

Printers on networks have IP addresses. The researchers were able to make it look like the IP addresses of the printers were participating in the bit torrenting of files.
So a printer, with no networking capability, and plugged in using USB, has an IP?
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:53:15 · Print · Reply to this

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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by Omega See Profile :

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

what happens if you DONT have a printer hooked up then what?
I don't think you understood the article.

Printers on networks have IP addresses. The researchers were able to make it look like the IP addresses of the printers were participating in the bit torrenting of files.
So a printer, with no networking capability, and plugged in using USB, has an IP?
NO. They are talking about printers on a LAN that have their own NIC cards or WiFi connection to routers and therefore have IP addresses.
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permalink · 2008-06-06 17:56:50 · Print · Reply to this

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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

NO. They are talking about printers on a LAN that have their own NIC cards or WiFi connection to routers and therefore have IP addresses.
That's what I thought too...
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:58:14 · Reply to this

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Bad printer

I think my printer downloads movies and shares them with my access point.
permalink · 2008-06-06 17:31:10 · Reply to this

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said by Hehe :

I think my printer downloads movies and shares them with my access point.
With the Xerox WorkCenter series of printers, your pirated movie downloads are automatically printed as a series of stills, collated, and bound into a book, which you can then flip through simulating motion. The dialog is automatically 'close captioned' and printed at the bottom of each still image.

Instead of book-binding, choose to have the images automatically placed into a hand-cranked kinetoscope for your viewing pleasure.

If you choose the Braille option, the dialog is printed in Braille in a booklet of otherwise blank pages, thereby saving 100% of the toner and dye inks, providing valuable cost savings to your business's bottom line.
permalink · 2008-06-06 20:42:48 · Print · Reply to this
Joe12345678

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Re: Bad printer

Can have a EIO jetdirect card or build in jetdirect.
You can also have EIO card with A HD on it as well.
permalink · 2008-06-06 22:26:34 · Reply to this

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said by Hehe :

I think my printer downloads movies and shares them with my access point.
With the Xerox WorkCenter series of printers, your pirated movie downloads are automatically printed as a series of stills, collated, and bound into a book, which you can then flip through simulating motion. The dialog is automatically 'close captioned' and printed at the bottom of each still image.

Instead of book-binding, you can have the images automatically placed into a hand-cranked kinetoscope for your viewing pleasure.

If you choose the Braille option, the dialog is printed in Braille in a booklet of otherwise blank pages, thereby saving 100% of the toner and dye inks, providing valuable cost savings to your business's bottom line.
permalink · 2008-06-06 20:44:11 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Bad printer

And, through the above example of double posting, stereoscopic kinetoscopes are also apparently possible
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permalink · 2008-06-06 22:26:45 · Reply to this

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With Ice or Without?

Now that we have fridges and freezers as network appliances, presumably they can download music and videos too, and put them on ice.

Absolutely incredible.
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Interesting:paper concludes ISPs in best position to monitor

The investigation by the team that wrote the paper concludes that the best way to monitor infringers is thru the ISPs participation.

»dmca.cs.washington.edu/uwcse_dmca_tr.pdf
The risk of exposing monitoring agents: A major
challenge for enforcement agencies is coverage; i.e.,
identifying all infringing users.

Given these challenges, recent calls from industry
to enlist ISPs directly in enforcement are unsurprising
[6]. Since ISPs do not need to participate in P2P
networks to monitor user behavior, there are no apparent
monitoring agents to block.
So while the paper says current methods of DMCA notification COULD have errors and gives aid to those fighting those trying to catch music & movie thieves, the paper also gives aid to the **AAs in their efforts to lobby Congress to force ISPs to monitor user activity.

And people wonder why the RIAA & MPAA are trying to get laws passed making ISPs monitor users P2P activities as well as all online activities.
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permalink · 2008-06-06 17:55:20 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Interesting:paper concludes ISPs in best position to monitor

That's not how I read it.

It said that Industry lobbying ISP's to monitor is not surprising, but said that ISP monitoring would be necessary to *protect* the users from bogus DMCA takedowns.... not ISP's need to help enforce them....

That's the way I read it anyway.
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permalink · 2008-06-07 00:22:31 · Print · Reply to this
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile
And people wonder why the RIAA & MPAA are trying to get laws passed making ISPs monitor users P2P activities as well as all online activities.
Their playbook must be george orwell's "1984"
permalink · 2008-06-07 11:51:27 · Reply to this

yolarry

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LOL

Good thing I invented a kill switch on my printer. lol
permalink · 2008-06-06 18:01:47 · Reply to this

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Re: LOL

power buttons have existed for a long time
permalink · 2008-06-06 21:46:34 · Reply to this

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>power buttons have existed for a long time

Ah, but can your power button slag your printer, causing it to burst into flame, shooting flaming pieces of paper across the room in fiery arcs of destruction, raining death on your other pieces of computer hardware? :-D
permalink · 2008-06-06 23:07:25 · Reply to this

yolarry

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permalink · 2008-06-08 11:18:44 · Reply to this

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Ahh hahaha

I knew I'd see the day when medical science breakthroughs are overshadowed by Studies performed by the geeks (including myself ~.~) at U @ W

Guess I know where all my tuition money is going!
permalink · 2008-06-07 01:40:15 · Reply to this

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Great ideas!!

The likes of media Defender have been flooding P2P networks with bogus material for years. We should flood the internet with bogus DCMA take down notices, and lawsuits.... Oh wait the RIAA is already doing that...
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permalink · 2008-06-07 12:42:50 · Reply to this
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