Shaw Sounds Like Trouble, MisterShaw Canada to sell U.S. business units ( old news - 09:34AM Thursday Mar 28 2002) tags: business · cable · trouble Shaw communications, Canada's number 2 cable provider, bought out Moffat communications last year, which included four U.S. cable systems in the states (3 in Texas, one in Florida). The purchase, along-side over-eager rollout has put the company in the red, and left cable customers in a lurch. The company is now over 115 million dollars in the red, and just last week ordered that all construction in the United States be brought to a halt (foreshadowing for their planned sale of their U.S. systems, but we'll get to that). This particular mandate affects the four U.S. cable systems considerably, as the systems were in the middle of a promised conversion to 2 way digital technology. Shaw had already invested around 13 million in upgrades for these units. Between the four systems, over ten thousand customers have been left hanging in the wind. Shaw Press Releases showed a brave face: "Shaw posted solid growth in its key business areas for the quarter and is trending towards meeting its target customer growth for the year. Shaw also continued to deliver quality revenue growth, with revenue up over 30 percent" But DSLReports spoke to a Shaw employee who paints a much different picture. According to our source, the employees of ShawUS were told that of April, installers would be paid minimum wage. Employees were also being urged to use their own vehicles, tools, and equipment, as Shaw is selling the company vehicles to trim expenses. DSLReports was also told that there were rumors of significant planned layoffs expected. Planned layoffs indeed. A week after ceasing all U.S. construction, Shaw announced that it was selling all its U.S. based systems to reduce its debt load: "Shaw will be selling its U.S. cable systems as they are no longer strategic and this will allow us to concentrate our focus and capital spending in Western Canada. The proceeds from the sale of assets will be used to reduce debt." "No longer strategic" must be code for "we screwed up, and couldn't afford our own investments". There has been no announcement concerning a planned buyer of the U.S. business units, nor has the been any announcement made as to when those units can expect their promised upgrades, or what the future holds for many Shaw U.S. employees. Related:- Charter Posts Wider Quarterly Loss
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  Jon Geb Wal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09 Howell, MI
| I knew it. I cant tell you guys how many times that people were bragging about how the US telecom sucked so much compared to Canada. Well there you have it,they are crumbling under there own wieght. This wont put them out of business, but its a indication that there growth was done at a unconservative pace. [text was edited by author 2002-03-28 09:57:35] | |
|  |   nc1165
join:2001-04-10 Delray Beach, FL
| Re: I knew it. I think this case could be used to study the Canadian business model as it applies to U.S. commerce and see if there is a culture clash when we try to mix apples and oranges. Do we look at this as "it's just a cable company" or are there underlying indications that would disallow certain business ventures from coming together. Any Canadian owned medical centers in the U.S. (especially Michigan)?
The auto industry was able to move certain components of their business to Canada, and Nortel had incredible success when opening a shop in the lower-48. It may be unfair to indict anything outside of Shaw, specifically, until we know more of why they did not meet expectations. -- If my enemy cuts me, I will drown him in my own blood. | |
|  |  |   dnoyeB Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09 Southfield, MI
| Re: I knew it. The auto industry had NAFTA and Canada had certain Union laws which made it MORE profitable to move their manufacturing to canada.
I mean, you pay canadians less, but since your car is not a dollar bill, and since NAFTA, they can reimport their cars without any tarrif.
This does not apply to cable yet. Since I dont think you can move Data to the us and then sell it. Unless they can move all the offices of the US companies they purchased to Canada, they will naturally hurt due to the exchange rate.
What seems to have happened is Shaw got into Empire Building and had eyes larger than their wallets. -- dnoyeB"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16 The government is pricing our rights our of our reach. | |
|  |  |  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02
Host: Road Runner PC gaming GAMES PC gaming Tech
| Re: I knew it. Yes I think the process of updating the 4 U.S. systems to digital cable probably broke the bank....
I think while the big boys see an immediate influx of cash after upgrading massive cities like NY with digital cable, the same profit margins don't exist in piddle-town USA. -- - | |
|  |  |  |  |   Shaw US Employee
@kingwoodcable.com | Re: I knew it. we already had digital cable. We were a larg grossing small bussiness which is very proficient. now we inherit shaws fate. | |
|  |  |  |  |   KINGWOOD
@kingwoodcable.com
| THE ONLY UPGRADING THAT SHAW DID HERE IN KINGWOOD IS ADD SOME TRAYON EQUIPMENT TO THE HEAD END, AND THAT IS IT. We have had internet for around 4 years now, and digital television service for a year and a half. The ONLY upgrading they have done at all is change out some one way amps to two way in the other texas systems. No main lines have been replaced, the amps that were replaced were rebuilt and very low grade. Now the rebuilt systems barely pass FCC testing and leak CLI like crazy. Who ever from SHAW main office said that they have spent 13 million on upgrades must have been writting himself some rather large checks. | |
|  |  |   alex4life Alex4life Premium join:2001-06-22 Delta, BC
| said by nc1165: Any Canadian owned medical centers in the U.S. (especially Michigan)?
I don't think there are any Canadian medical centres at all...remember health care is free up here...well, free as in we pay for it in our taxes, and not when we go for medical care. -- "Nothing fits better than a dead man's shirt" -Jimmy James | |
|  |   BillRoland Premium join:2001-01-21 Ocala, FL clubs: | Who are they going to sell to? | |
|   lazy2
@NIPR.MIL
| Wonder if this is a NAFTA payoff? Have been hearing that uunder NAFTA rules if a foreign (non-US) company starts a business in the states, then has to fold, they can blame the US and get the feds to pay off all the estimated profits that MIGHT have been made.
Apparently several companies (including a Canadian mortuary firm) have already done this.
Of course all the lawyers that wrote NAFTA are now making money off of it. | |
|  |  RayW Premium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT clubs:
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| Re: Wonder if this is a NAFTA payoff? said by lazy2: Apparently several companies (including a Canadian mortuary firm) have already done this.
»www.monetary-reform.on.ca/archives/1b.shtml
Also a Canadian company (Methanex) that makes MTBE (a toxic gas additive that took the place of lead compounds) is/was suing because California was going to ban MTBE. But the road is not just one way, several US firms decided if they can do it, so can we and filed NAFTA suits on Canada.
All sorts of reasons this may have happened, greed tops the list. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
|  |   forestpixie
@shawcable.net
| The U.S. employees of Shaw never had the warm and fuzzy feeling that they ever wanted us. Since Shaw purchased the U.S. assets of Moffat a year and a half ago; we were on the auction block, then off; then on again, then off... I don't think NAFTA had anything to do with it. All Shaw has done for its U.S. customers has infuriated them which has driven them to DBS. I guess that's acceptable in Canada, since Shaw has a stake in the satellite market there. | |
|  C4Xplosive
join:2002-02-21 Vancouver, WA
| Yep Dont mix and match Cable Companys from other countrys. Canada Cable companys in the US and vice versa are bound for trouble. Think of it like this. Starting a business in China but yet you live in the US. Your business will be hard as hell to manage if you can't be there 24/7 | |
|  |   mad cable guy
@shawcable.net
| Re: Yep You can not compare canada to china. Canada is connected to the states via a land mass, china is thousands of miles over seas. We were promised that shaw would be in this for the long haul, that the company believed in treating its employees good. Nothing but lies for a year now. Canada is almost like a state. You can drive right across the boarder, just like you can drive from state to state. McDonalds is based in the states but they have operations all over the world. Levis main office is here in the states but they are made in different parts of the world. Toyota has plants in Japan and in the states and they are doing just fine. There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes. The owners of shaw communications are nothing but liars. | |
|  |  |   emmpeethree Twizzling Flagella Premium join:2001-04-13 Richmond, BC
| Re: Yep lol,
dude, tell me the speeds you had with "moffat" tell me the speeds you have now.
i dont see how you can be so angry with shaw, they have a dept and they are selling what they had expanded on. they admit, they expanded to large.
ideally, they shouldn't have extended into the US
your defintion of a "state" is driving accross a border... i both the americas are states cause you can drive from the aleutians to cape horn
"There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes" - canadian companies are more ethical then that | |
|  |  |  |   shaw starves employe
@198.64.x.x
| Re: Yep "There is a rumor going around for almost 6 months now that shaw bought moffatt for nothing more then to show a loss and write it off on the taxes" - canadian companies are more ethical then that"????
You dont work for them, so you dont know how the company treats its employees. Some of our people have not gotten a raise in 2 years, we got NOTHING for a christmas bonus, at the first of the year they raised how much we pay for our families health insurance. On a 40 hour week I bring home about 650 dollars and that is supposed to last 2 weeks. Now they want to cut the pay of installers back to 6 bucks an hour. Neither Shaw or Moffatt have any eithics at all, and treat their employees worse then dirt. | |
|  |  |  |   pissedshawcustomer
@shawcable.net
| i moved to an area only served by shaw communications from time warner. i loved the roadrunner speeds and prices. shaw is unbelievably slow. i have never tested over 700k for downloads, and just a few minutes ago i tested at bandwidthplace.com and got two tests averaging 30k! yes you read that right, about half a 56k DIALUP. this is the crappiest service i have ever heard of or experienced. the customer service is nonexistant, shaw's web presence is nowhere to be found, and i am signing up for dsl asap.
if i ever have the chance to influence somebody's decision to choose shaw service in the future, i will gladly spend the time to steer them away. what a bad deal, what a bad company. regardless of their admissions, we don't have a choice due to franchise limitations, and we're left without cable and broadband.
thanks a lot assholes. | |
|  |  |  |  |   RoadRunnerWannaBe
@shawcable.net
| Re: Yep Well, maybe there is hope for U.S. Shaw customers. Time Warner surrounds the Kingwood, Texas system. Maybe TW will buy the Shaw U.S. systems. Anything has to be better than the crappy customer service we get in Kingwood. It is not uncommon to wait "in queue" on the phone 30 minutes or more. | |
|  |   kingwood employee
@kingwoodcable.com | Moffat owned all of the US systems for 23 YEARS. The systems where profitable and there were no problems. With this in mind, it is easy to see where/who the problem is. | |
|  |  |  butrfly
join:2002-04-09 Livingston, TX
| Re: Yep No, Moffat did not own all the US systems for that long. I have worked at one of the Texas systems for close to 20years. Moffat owned us around 10 years before Shaw bought Moffat. I agree with the rest! I have never disliked working for a company before. All we can do is hope the next company is better. | |
|   shane puckette
@kingwoodcable.com
| Shaw U.S. Employee I am a shaw us employee... and i want to tell you how worried i am that i am going to loose my job. I work for the Shaw U.S. Helpdesk... we only have seven tsr's here. Ever since they bought us the have been holding us on a string. We found out about the sale from a already released news paper. My boss took us all into a room and told us. I was so worried. anyways one of those cable systems in texas, kingwood cable is pretty much the largest. Our company was founded in the seventies by a local, when moffat bought us we pretty much took over their internet operations and then shaw came in, eh. [text was edited by moderator] | |
|   shane puckette
@kingwoodcable.com
| I am a shaw us employee... and i want to tell you how worried i am that i am going to loose my job. I work for the Shaw U.S. Helpdesk... we only have seven tsr's here. Shaw sucks sausage, mucho sausage. Ever since they bought us the have been holding us on a string. We found out about the sale from a already released news paper. My boss took us all into a room and told us. I was so worried. anyways one of those cable systems in texas, kingwood cable is pretty much the largest. Our company was founded in the seventies by a local, when moffat bought us we pretty much took over their internet operations and then shaw came in, eh. I hate canadians. | |
|  |   mad cable guy
@shawcable.net
| Re: Shaw U.S. Employee This shows just how much shaw really cares about its customers. The pay is already low enough around here, averaging about 10 - 12 bucks an hour. Then we get word that "oh if you want to work for shaw you owe us 5 - 15 thousand for your meter, van, tools, ladder, and anything else we can think of." I want to hear from a Shaw canada employee if they really use the "unit based employee" model?? So, customers of shaw, your tech support is only worth barely above min. wage. To get your service hooked up we are going to send someone out to your house, pay them min. wage, hire right off the street, that has only 2 -3 weeks of on the job training, and hope that the install goes good with no problems. Got questions about security, routing, DNS, or exactly what does a port in the TCP/IP stack do forget it. Stories have been floating around of several installs taking 4 - 6 hours just to get the network card to work. Oh well, what do you expect for 10 bucks an hour? | |
|   Shaw starves its emp
@198.64.x.x
| I am a very loyal employee of ShawUS. 2 years ago Moffatt gave me a very unexpected christmas bonus. It was NOTHING. That is right, nothing at all. No turkey, no gift card, no christmas bonus, no profit sharing, just nothing. I heard from people that have been with the company for several years that this treatment is the norm. Last Christmas was the same treatment from Shaw. We got nothing at all. The company does over 1 billion dollars in sales each year, 2 years ago post a year end profit of around 80 million and does not return anything to its employees. When my parents asked me (i am in my 30's)what I wanted for Christmas I told them cash. They gave me my christmas present 2 weeks early, it was about 300 dollars or so. I took my Christmas money, went to wal-mart and spent it on my kids so that they could have a nice Christmas. Now the company wants to cut our wages to 6 dollars an hour. Since both companies are from Canada, and they both treat their employees the same way; I am going to guess that this is the way that all companies from canada do business. No wonder they could not stay in business in the States. I might be wrong in this, but I expect a little more then poverty wages from a company that does over a billion dollars in sales, has over 2 million customers, and owns 30 percent controlling stock in Terayon. | |
|  |   Cable Ghost
@kingwoodcable.com
| Re: What Shaw and Moffatt gave me for Christmas Not defending Shaw here, but I've been in the cable industry for over 20 years, and worked for 5 companies. Except for the first three years, I haven't had a Christmas bonus. It's just not something the cable industry is prepared to do. I agree that it's wrong and that Shaw is a pain in the a**, but no Christmas bonus is hardly a Shaw invention. In fact, a bonus is a rarity in MOST industries. | |
|   trayon junk
@shawcable.net | The last tech that came out went through 4 modems to find one that would link up. We are getting all the junk that shaw does not want to deal with. | |
|  no respect
join:2002-03-30 North Vancouver, BC
| Working for Shaw reminds me of High School. I hated High School. That's the kind of environment at Shaw Cable. Seems Shaw likes to hire children for their management. Of all the years in cablevision, I have never seen such a mess. They fire the senior managers and hire kids out of grade school who try to reinvent the wheel. They come in with egos to spare and make everyones lives a living hell! I love the work I do but I hate this company. Things were a lot better when Rogers Cablesystems was still around. At least they were professional at doing things. That's why Shaw has always been a coat tail rider. They are not at the forefront of technology. They care nothing about customers, employees, and quality of the infrastructure. Without these vital elements, how are you suppose to make money?
I'd like to finish with a famous quote.... "I've been here before you, and I'll be here after you" [text was edited by author 2002-03-30 05:00:09] | |
|  |   mad shaw emp
@198.64.x.x
| Re: Canadian Emp ( I work for children!!!!!!) Seems things are the same whether they are in canada or in texas it does not matter. One of the first things shaw did was fire the senior manager over the texas systems. He had been with the company for about 23 years. Then during the rebuild they send us nothing but junk to use for amps and nodes. They want us to provide digital television and internet service useing 550 nodes, that have been rebuilt a dozen times. | |
|  |  ihateshaw4
join:2002-03-31 Surrey, BC | I totally agree! | |
|  |  |  ihateshaw4
join:2002-03-31 Surrey, BC
| Re: Canadian Emp ( I work for children!!!!!!)
Not all Canadian companies are as bad as Shaw. These guys take the cake. I work for Shaw in Western Canada (Shaw's largest system with around 1 million subscribers) and their management style has been unbelievable since their take-over of our cable system about 1 1/2 years ago from Rogers Cablesystems. Since the switch over, the company has been run by a team of kids who know nothing about the Cable industry. It's tough looking up to a management team who could easy be my kids. They spent money last year like rich kids using daddy's credit card. They control their employees by inflicting fear on them. Anybody that does not buy into the Shaw way of thinking is quickly disposed of.
On another note: Somebody in another posting stated that Shaw didn't give them anything for Christmas. Well, this past years company Christmas party in Vancouver was held at the Trade and Convention Centre and had 1800 staff and friends attend. Shaw paid for dinner, 2 live bands and all the alcohol you could drink! Not to mention the development of Shaw Tower (40 storey building, ready in 2004) Located on Vancouver's most prestigious waterfront location which is going to cost Millions! Does this sound like a company in financial trouble? All their inexperience in managing a company is finally coming to a dead-end. They are now cutting 400+ jobs in Canada and raising both cable & Internet rates by $3.00/month and selling off the US systems. The ship is finally sinking and the passengers are going to have to pay. | |
|  | Anon | btw, my name is chris. I AM NOT TOO FRAMILIAR WITH SHAW OR CABLE VISION, I HAVE ONLY BEEN A TSR FOR KINGWOODCABLEVISION(ONE OF SHAW'S TEXAS SYTEMS) FOR ABOUT 6 TO 7 MONTHS NOW, WELL IT'S THE SAME AS WORKING FOR ANY OTHER BIG COMPANY. CUSTOMERS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, EMPLOYEES GET TREATED UNPROFESSIONALLY, AND EVEN WHOLE BRANCHES AND OFFICES GET NEGLECTED. BUT THAT'S NOT JUST SHAW, THAT'S EVERY BIG COMPANY. I THINK, TO BE A BIG COMPANY YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCREW PEOPLE AROUND. BY THE WAY, THE TERAYONS ARE THE BEST CABLE MODEMS I'V SEEN, SHAW GAVE US AN ORDER TO SEND ALL THE BAD MODEMS OUT AGAIN TO "MAKE SURE" THEY WERE BAD, WE KNEW THEY WERE BAD WHEN WE TOOK THEM OUT THE FIRST TIME. I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT ALL OF THIS AS LONG AS I KEEP MY JOB WITH WHOEVER BUYS US. | |
|  taylors454
join:2002-01-29 Surrey, BC
| I have worked in the Cable T.V. industry all of my life ie; for 30 plus years. I feel that Shaw is the absolute worst employer I have ever worked for. I feel that I should apologise to all my American brothers for the way you are being treated by a "Canadian" company. Take heart though once your company is sold you can't help but do better with absolutley anybody other than Shaw. Like a lot of you I love the business but hate the company I am working for. We here in Vancouver are lucky because we have strong union representation through Local 60 of the TWU. I could not imagine what our working conditions would be like without the benifit of a strong collective agreement. Take heart all of you in Texas and Florida and do yourself a favour "live better work UNION!" | |
|  Smithers9
join:2002-04-09 Canada
| It seems Shaw cable has placed more and more responsibility upon the TFR's. Having been one myself I am Glad I do not have to deal with the stress of a company like Shaw. Under Rogers I recall being exploited yet seen as needed, seen as a part of the a plan to succeed. Under Shaw I see that the TFR's are being promised the Cable World, yet also given a hit of their instability in this industry. I hope they realize that the situation with our American friends is what could happen here, were it not for the TWU Local 60. In my time as a TFR I fully realized the blessings I had came from the foundation of the TWU. Blue Trucks For All! | |
|  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth
| Well as a shaw employee i have been screwed over many times by the big guy. we are all just a number to him things were better when rogers was here and then we thought it was bad but a least you knew who not to trust. as one person said it is run by kids and i am under 35 and the big boss must be no older then me. shaw is penny wise and dollar dumb.i feel for the us employee's as they are going through what a lot of us canadians have gone through with shaw. they have no idea what the hell they are doing.also they now have TFR'S and shaw wants them to do everything under the sun and they are paid by commision now this maybe good now but if they ever let go of the union they are buggered.... [text was edited by author 2002-04-11 00:12:52]
[text was edited by author 2002-04-11 00:17:30] | |
|  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX
| My goodness, I really don't like to say I told you so, but, I TOLD YOU SO!!!
99% of all the changes at Shaw were predicted 9 months ago, yep, 9 months ago, I feel like I just gave birth.
This is the last contact that Shaw employees will have in the West - Shaw is positioned to de-cert and will - do you think that you will be the only employees to stay union, when Shaw has spent many many dollars with a very sharp attorney to de-cert all the other Shaw Cable operations, and leave you as Union - open your eyes think again.
After the get to the majority of the TFR'S they will again do a de-cert vote - and they Shaw will win. By the way how did all the TFR'S arrived? I understand that SHAW stated that they would bring much of the work back to company employees - but did you think it would be this way?
The TWU - FAILED in not allowing Contractors to join, I know the reason the Telco employees do not allow contractors, but I thought Local 60 was your local, with your contract - Cable contract is yours and the Telco contract is theirs. So who really operates your Local, I think the Empire Builders in the TWU.
How did the Letter of Aggrement get signed to allow all the TFR'S? did it go to the membership for a vote - or was just done because ABBY has it in their contract? I understand these are 2 seperate contracts.
Understand I have no hard feeling for the TFR'S they need to work to, however when the company has used them to get what they want - they will be toast also or work for min. wage. AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK, hurry up use the $$ available for an education and not Cable BEFORE IT'S TO LATE. | |
|  |  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth | Re: WELL, WELL, WELL
Very well said, and so true. Use the money you make and get an education as shaw is not the company that you will spend your life at. | |
|  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX
| I have an e-mail from my Canadian friend who tell me that there are quite a few Union Grievances filed with SHAW and that it has been some time that these items have been on hold.
Well, welcome to the SHAW WAY of dealing with UNION EMPLOYEES concerns - SHAW DOESN'T, DOESNT DEAL WITH YOUR CONCERNS AND DOESNT CARE ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS.
However these will be settled, again the SHAW WAY - and that is they will be on the table at next contract talks IF THERE IS AN HONEST ATTEMPT BY SHAW TO HAVE CONTRACT TALKS AND THEY WILL HOLD IT TO YOUR HEAD - IF YOUR GET ANY NEXT CONTRACT TALKS. SHAW HAS THE TIME, MONEY AND FRIENDS IN GOVERNMENT - FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY, as I understand the TWU also has some, it's the TIME AND FRIENDS YOU DON'T HAVE IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
Don't take any of this personal- SHAW is not out to get you, well really not you, you just happen to be in the way of their plans - and don't EVERY FORGET - they have plans and you are not part of it.
My Canadian friend gets her information from very good sources - and please understand I am not in any way trying to BS you - I'v been through it - I'M ON YOUR SIDE - and with the time remaining - KICK THEIR A** - GET ALL YOU CAN GET - BECAUSE IT WILL END. | |
|  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX | I hear there will be more Company re-organizing happening, that what SHAW calls it but we all know what it means.
UNION FOR ALL - THAT IS YOUR ONLY PROTECTION
JOIN NOW | |
|  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth
| The lastest as of 2 weeks ago Shaw sent out a memo to all teck service people in the call center. asking if they wanted to go and do dct and modem installs. the employees would get there hourly wage and a compny vechicle to use, my question is what about the people you already have doing this job????? now does this sound like a good plan piss off the employees you have working for you now. there is no future in this company for anyone shaw wants every thing done for free. they have uped the cost for their slow internet. JR senor got a big 4-6 millon dollar bonus even though his company lost 146 millon $$$$$. man where is the fairness to the rest of us. well this is all i have for now. | |
|  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth
| Well Shaw has done it again now they have let go a worker of 14 years that has worked in our mailroom. I guess his down side was that he came from new view, which is a place where the handicaped are employed. We used to use them for our patch cords, this i thought was a good community service that shaw was beening a good family company as they like to say they are.Well this is bullshit i say all shaw cares about is the bottom line helping the ones that need it is not a good company thing. shame shame. | |
|  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth
| Well my time has come and man do i feel a hell of a lot better, no more worries from what the boss will have to say just can sit back and relax for a couple of weeks then find a new empolyer hopfully on that respects it's employees. I know this is something hard to find but you never know. It has been fun and will miss all the guys and gals but the way SHAW runs things they will be out of money soon and someone bigger will pick up the company for dirt cheep.Regards to all. | |
|  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX
| I hear there have been more Layoffs at Shaw Vancouver, Canada - well folks IT HAS JUST STARTED - more to come, read the post where jobs installs of DCT & Modems have been offered to people in the Call Center - wonderful - you let the TFR'S in to your union - AND YOU GAVE THE HOUSE AWAY.
GOOD LUCK - YOU WILL NEED ALL YOU CAN GET | |
|  pepe69
join:2002-04-10 earth | Well looky looky shaw is killin us off one by one so sad to bad. TFR's are killing you all. | |
|  |  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX
| DE-CERT'S STARTED IN CANADA
Well Sisters & Brothers, it has started in White Rock, B.C., and North Vancouver is next.
There is a way to STOP THIS APPLICATION, but you MUST ACT NOW - BEFORE THE VOTE.
Don't even think that you will have a job -after the vote and if you do it will be on SHAW'S TERMS like it or not.
Don't for your sake run from your responsibilities - STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS - by the way I am sure that you have great support from the IBEW - Ha Ha Ha, I guess you are on hold as your BA talks to his people.
Phone someone - get up off your *** DON'T FOLD.
GOOD LUCK. | |
|  |  |  OLD PERSON
join:2002-04-11 TX
| WHITE ROCK B.C., WILL BE NON-UNION Well the word is SHAW has 50% plus 1 so the board will allow the de-cert - consider yourself NON-UNION - you have been hit by the PETER PRINCIPLE -
The IBEW will file an appeal - HO HUM TO LITTLE TO LATE - get ready to buy your trucks and be paid on production.
There is a way - contact a friend - but YOU MUST ACT NO DISCUSSION - TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE | |
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