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LiamJunket
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1 edit | If running a business, then email should be own domain ... ... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all.
What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access.
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RangerTX
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by LiamJunket  :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp
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LiamJunket
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by RangerTX :said by LiamJunket :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp Why not give up on the constant replies to my posts that suggest I work for Comcast or some other provider. As I've said here many times, I NEVER worked for a telecom or cable company and I am now retired. So my opinions are my own and not purchased as you continually imply. But I guess when you have nothing to say that is the best you can do as a form of discourse.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by RangerTX :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments He has a right to an opinion, same as you do. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's working for somebody. For what its worth, I usually agree with him in part or in whole as well, and I'm not "working" for anybody. For my part, I simply don't like the idea of running to Washington to solve problems that don't exist. If this lady was so reliant on her AOL e-mail for business, then that's her own fault.
Besides, anybody remember the last time the US Postal Service won any awards for outstanding delivery?
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1 edit | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by RangerTX :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue for damages ?
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RangerTX
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by JSRoman :said by RangerTX :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue? If you actually read my comments you would see that i do not always say sue or take them to court. Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... In my world...all "miffed aol users" shall be treated equal, and have all of the rights granted by the constitution!
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... Whats wrong with being pro-business?
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Nothing!!, except when you are totally pro business and not objective about it | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... Nothing he said made him non-objective....he made a point about this entitlement attitude that alot of people carry nowadays. There was nothing in his response that should have been deleted or to make him look non-objective.
By censoring his position...who looks non-objective now?
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| said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? pro business = corruption = greed = less power
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by S_engineer :antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Do you really equate anti-business to socialism?
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Why would you want to be anti business?
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... And all of this started with a "Miffed AOL user"...geez
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| said by hopeflicker :Do you really equate anti-business to socialism? I would suggest you read "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx, (Capital in English) and then re-evaluate this statement.
It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring.....
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by maartena :It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring..... I always recommend it. It is best to know your enemy.
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| said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Because "pro-business" often turns into "anti-consumer". So much of what business wants is not good for the consumer. Supporting that means you would be supporting hurting the consumer.
Sometimes the interests of the consumer and the business are the same, most of the time they are not.
Of course, in the case of this article... The consumer is an idiot. ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain. | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by checkthis :said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Because "pro-business" often turns into "anti-consumer". So much of what business wants is not good for the consumer. Supporting that means you would be supporting hurting the consumer. Sometimes the interests of the consumer and the business are the same, most of the time they are not. Of course, in the case of this article... The consumer is an idiot. ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain. well said
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| said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled.
I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by RARPSL :said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled. I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). also as a business atleast imo a domain looks a bit more professional. even if you dont have much for a site(ive seen some with just a front page telling what they do and then a contact page with email, snailmail and tel.
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| said by RangerTX :Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. Anti-crime and anti-theft doesn't mean anti-consumer. | |
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| said by RangerTX :said by JSRoman :said by RangerTX :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue? If you actually read my comments you would see that i do not always say sue or take them to court. Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. And you are always anti-business and pro government intrusion. I have to agree with the others. People around here assume that when you take a stance, you must be in their back pocket. That can't be any further from the truth.
Why take everything into the court or to DC? What happens if I don't like someone's Christmas decorations, should I always run to the government and petition them to stop it?
EVERYONE is not going to always agree - EVER. But, simply because we don't agree doesn't give us the right to sue or petition or legalize/or illegalize everything to get our own way.
In this story at hand, this is a pure example of 1) a possible mistake, 2) poor planning on the part of the AOL customer, 3) see #2.
Personal responsibility is at play here.
ANYONE who says email is the sole conduit for their business is a fool for a business owner. Her email couldn't have been THAT important to her in the first place. How long was it down for? If it's so important, she would have been sitting on that email all day long checking it. When it went down, why didn't she contact AOL?
ANYONE that has ever had AOL knows one thing - if your service is discontinued, all you have to do is simply sign back in and it will ask you to re-activate your account.
How could this person have lost so much revenue? Was it down for days? Then her email couldn't have been that important - I would have had it back up and running quickly. Or, she really doesn't use her email that much, the business is failing and she is looking for another revenue source ...
This story reminds me of the handicap person that goes up and down a street in their wheelchair looking for businesses with out handicap accessible restrooms and then suing them for damages... businesses that they never even patronize in the first place.
Forwarding email is simple... keep the account active for a few months longer and then tell everyone. Why should an ISP have to burden the cost of the forwarding anyway? Most people here should know that there are a lot of wasted resourced on the part of ISPs with user account email boxes sitting at MAX quota because boxes are created, never used, and then fill up taking up disk space.
I agree with TCH - if you are running a business, get a domain and own your own services.. it's under $100 a month AND it is FAR more professional than doing business as "@AOL.COM" , "Yahoo" or "Hotmail" - to which I would NEVER do business with those people anyway.. it tends to lend to their abilities in the first place.
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right here | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... What if I want freedom but no personal responsibility, dammit?
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| said by RangerTX :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments He doesn't defend the RIAA, he defends the law.
Government shouldn't be involved in the day to day activities of a company, or of its people. The FCC shouldn't be mandating what an ISP does with an email address of a customer who no longer pays for their service.
If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, or any ISP email. They should have their own domain. In fact, I would even extend that to everyone; everyone should have their own domain instead of relying on their ISPs email address.
You sure as heck post a lot of nonsense, so that clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by Jim Gurd :said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. Scary. It's not uncommon, at least down here, to see @aol or @bellsouth e-mail addresses printed on vans for small businesses. | |
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| said by Jim Gurd :I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. I have seen em with a HOTMAIL address. And yes, I skip businesses with hotmail addresses or the likes, and move on to the next google hit.
It just doesn't look professional. And with domain hosting being CHEAP as DIRT, why shouldn't you have your own domain for your business? You probably will have paid for an entire year of hosting if you can reel in just ONE client more. | |
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| said by Jim Gurd :said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. This is true.. but show me one business consultant that will agree with that practice... 
I deal with MANY attorney's and the few that actually do have those addresses want to dump them either because they sparked the right combination of brain cells together, or they finally were told at a business seminar to dump the "service" domain.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by LiamJunket :said by RangerTX :said by LiamJunket :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp Why not give up on the constant replies to my posts that suggest I work for Comcast or some other provider. As I've said here many times, I NEVER worked for a telecom or cable company and I am now retired. So my opinions are my own and not purchased as you continually imply. But I guess when you have nothing to say that is the best you can do as a form of discourse. I remember the days when I used to be a RIAA shill because I would be for prosecuting people who infringe on copyright. Mainly because I have intellectual property and have seen companies and individuals use it without my permission. This is the same thing. People see you speak up on behalf of a company, and they think you are a shill. *shakes head* | |
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| said by RangerTX :Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp My opinions are currently free, however, I have a standing offer to any business that wishes to compensate me for the purposes of shilling for them.
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| said by LiamJunket :What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding We don't need governmente at all, if you were to have your way, except of course to ensure that individual liberties and rights are kept to a minimum while power is concentrated in the hands of corporations.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... And is that wrong? The government has more than overstepped its boundaries. It's involved in so many aspects of technology that it doesn't need to be. Why the hell is the government making laws regarding ETF's with cell phone carriers? I'm pretty sure I read something about a law in one state where they have to prorate it. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like what the company has to offer as far as contracts go, just don't use them. Better yet, go the no-contract route, seeing as people are too incompetent to honor a simple cell phone agreement these days.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... I'd like to be on your side on this, really...I think government has better things to do like education, infrastructure etc. to worry about....but the pendulum has swung too far in the favor of corporations and an urgent re-balancing of the power is needed in the consumer's favor. The free market only works if it's truly free, not rigged to favor a few.
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| said by kapil :... but the pendulum has swung too far in the favor of corporations and an urgent re-balancing of the power is needed in the consumer's favor. All because some woman is too stupid to have her own domain for her business email?
The FCC should send this woman a greeting card with the word "dumbass" printed in big, bold letters as a response to her request.
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| said by CMoore2004 :And is that wrong? The government has more than overstepped its boundaries. I agree 1000000%!!
Why the hell is the government making laws regarding ETF's with cell phone carriers? I'm pretty sure I read something about a law in one state where they have to prorate it. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like what the company has to offer as far as contracts go, just don't use them. The ONLY reason I will dis-agree with you on this one is that these carriers operate at the pleasure of the general public who in fact own those air waves they use. We the people have a right to dictate how the open airwaves are going to be used. This is one exception where I agree with better handling of regulations. These fees are damn near bordering on usury. In my opinion, they need to go after the bell system who is slowly adding ETF on to standard telephone services as well. (ala Qwest)
I, for one, do stand for less government. I never understood why so many republicans stand up and say they dislike government and then spend so much time and money running to get into it.. and stay, only making it bigger.
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| said by LiamJunket :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Just like how the government shouldn't be involved in the RIAA/MPAA's business, right?
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| said by LiamJunket :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. I agree. If you're not capibile of migrating your personal e-mail from one ISP to another, then you really shouldn't be on the computer in the first place. We used to have e-mail from our ISP, but I grew tired of it, and several years ago, I switched everyone (mom, pops, brother, grandfather, myself) to e-mail accounts on my own domain.
I setup the accounts, configured them in Outlook, and gave them 3 months notice to tell family, friends, financial institutions, mailing lists, etc. of their new address. Everything worked great.
If you're a business - and you don't have your own domain name w/ your own email such as name@companyname.com , then I suggest you revaluate your business plan.
Getting the government in here to regulate e-mail like this is something I don't think we need.
What I would have liked is if my alma mater would have kept my school e-mail active for alumni just because, but I am not so lucky. 
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... I did the same thing in early 2002 and never looked back. Having moved a few times myself, and having other family members change ISPs has really made the one time minor hassle well worth it.
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| Agreed. And, here is another thing that many people don't think about when they cry for uncle sam to bail them out of their own ignorance.
1) Uncle Sam NEVER makes anything simple. They will attempt to attach a ton of garbage to any law they enact.
2) While it may work for a small few ignorant people today, what happens in 10 years when technology has changed and this is all long forgotten? I'll tell ya.. some fresh out of law school idiot attorney will find this now outdated law, have some person agenda to meet (paycheck anyone?) and then start sticking it to ISPs to show everyone what a good attorney he is.
Or, simply put, as usual, outdated laws WILL come back to haunt us all.
There are enough outdated laws on the books that end up biting us in the ass years from now because law makers never clean house - they are, however, good at just making new laws.
The "you must wear a hat to cross the street on a Sunday" law of 1860 has been abused by an over eager Sheriff before in order to take someone in who he had a beef with and wanted a reason to arrest before. (example - but true)
Private industry, in most cases, along with change and society in general, tends to take care of things just fine on their own with out Uncle Sam getting involved.
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| Absolutely ridiculous, these people! Why do we need the government to step in and regulate for something people ought to bloody well do for themselves. There is already such a thing as email-forwarding. And as a so-called business executive she made the poor choice of not following up on her own work and insuring the necessary documents were sent/received, so she would lose money or profit or whatever she's bellyaching about. if something like that was important to me I'd double check, no, TRIPLE check to make sure it's working.. Or in having a back up email account/domain server or as many others have said.
Yes AOL may have screwed up....but you know what? So could ANY OTHER provider. I would really like to know what she does so I can stand over her shoulder and sue her whenever she messes up on the job. Absolutely ridiculous. | |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| as much as i think certain businesses need more regulation, E-Mail should be your job to handle. first off if you run a business online get a domain(they dont cost that much)second if you dont want to get a domain get a non locational email address with a service like Google's Gmail.
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| NewMariner
join:2005-06-24
| No More Regulation! Why should the FCC regulate this? They cant regulate the telcos anyway. Besides this is just plain stupid. If she lost so much revenue, why not setup her own email server to handle it, then she doesnt have to leach off of someone else.
If I ever saw an email address with the domain of @aol.com or att.net or rr.com Id think twice about purchasing from them as it is not professional.. | |
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n5tkn
join:2002-05-10
Jonesboro, AR
| AOL email... Unfortunately, yes people in business use AOL email for their communication even after all these years. We have an important business partner who still uses it, though he's recently started to use GMail because AOL, along with Hotmail and Yahoo usually drop our messages, and this includes our messages to him. Although some days they don't, and when they do, some messages from one of our users goes through, and at the same time mine won't, it bounces back with a 554. Yahoo and Hotmail don't even return that. They get put in the users junk mail folder, if it all. We/I run our mail server on our business DSL line, and they seem to think that dsl address ranges, even static, are a spam source, even after talking to AOL and they said we are NOT on a block list... yeah. Okay. Well someone is missing some clue. Babies and bathwater, I guess. So yeah. Don't use AOL for email, if its important. | |
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GTB
@bridgeband.net
| NO Email has costs, If a customer is not paying the ISP for the email address, then they should not get access to the account. The email addresses belong to the domain owner not the end user. If you want to keep your email address forever, stick with your ISP or purchase your own domain. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: NO said by GTB :
Email has costs, If a customer is not paying the ISP for the email address, then they should not get access to the account. The email addresses belong to the domain owner not the end user. If you want to keep your email address forever, stick with your ISP or purchase your own domain.
AoL Email has been free for a while (go to »www.aol.com and click the Mail Icon to get a free AOL Email Account). You only need to pay AoL if you want to use their Premium Services or use them as your connectivity provider. | |
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Jon
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Lisle, IL | The real news here... is that someone actually managed to get AOL to cancel an account.  | |
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Sith HMP
I Did What?
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Bloomington, IL | Wha Happen? This topic must not have been as good when I reported it yesterday.  | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Wha Happen? Credited you with the submission. Sorry about that, just an oversight. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: Wha Happen? said by Karl Bode :Credited you with the submission. Sorry about that, just an oversight. But is Darth going to accept your apology?
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Why Not? However, I don't think it needs to be regulated by the government.
The post office forwards mail, but not for free...the mail is only delivered once, to the new address, and that delivery is paid for with the stamp affixed on the mailpiece.
So, ISPs could choose to offer forwarding as a paid service...or gratis, as a value added feature. But it shouldn't be mandated.
Back in the day when ISPs were local mom and pop companies, I had several ISPs forward my mail anywhere I requested...they didn't care as it didn't cost them anything except a few minutes of admin time.
Try asking AT&T or Comcast to do you a favor!
A business owner is well within his/her rights to use "free" ISP provided email for business...but it's a stupid business decision and the business owner deserves everything she gets!
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: Why Not? Oh My.
Actually, the last I heard, AOL DOES cancel your account, including email, if that's what you ask them to do - the result of a lawsuit filed against them.
However, since AOL is now free, if you change your account to the free type instead of canceling, you get to keep your email account and all other AOL services.
Most large ISPs will cancel your email account eventually, but most will give you a grace period. I think in the case of AT&T, it actually becomes a regular, free, Yahoo ID. MSN accounts become regular hotmail accounts.
I don't know what an email "carrier" is. Do you mean an outsourced email solution with your domain? ...and it wouldn't matter what client she used to access her account, Outlook, Thunderbird or Pine...if the account is no more, your email goes bye bye.
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Adam20
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join:2007-07-19
Sarnia, ON | Re: Why Not? Yes, I was referring to a domain.
But if she was using an email client her email would still be saved within that application.
Not gone forever, just any further emails that come in. | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Hollywood, FL
clubs:
·VOIPo
| Re: GMAIL can host your domain's email for FREE Nice, but no thanks. I no tin-foil-hat kinda guy, but I really don't like corporations using my emails for marketing purposes.
That is why I run my own system from home and if I decide to move and don't have good internet access, I will move my email to the dedicated server I have with a third party company.
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| CMoore2004
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Jonesville, MI
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| AOL This is exactly the thing I'd expect from an AOL user. I'm pretty sure the agreement says something about this. I thought AOL e-mail was free now, anyways.
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| | amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| Re: AOL Sad but true. Probably running a five year old Compaq Presario too... whatever the case, probably not a "business" class computer
Yes, AOL email is now free. And I also agree that the terms probably do have all sorts of contingencies for such situations...
Like many others here have said, get your own domain, or use another service which will suit your needs. Email is pretty easy these days, and getting your own domain strictly for email is even possible. | |
| benc
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
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| I Think The Government Should Get Involved I know that I'll probably get scolded for this, but it'd make sense.
I would favor having only government E-mail servers that provide E-mail addresses to every single citizen. Since E-mail resembles letters, this could be in the domain of the USPS.
However, I would favor this only if there is tight regulation. After all, it's a felony (I think) to intercept letters and discover the contents, ensuring privacy. A similar law could be applied to E-mail.
Also with government resources a very, very strong encryption method would be possible. Say, a 1,024-bit key that changes every hour.
I would also favor charging postage for E-mail. But only after a certain allowance (say, 6,000 messages free every year). That's 500 messages a month, more than enough for any normal individual. Almost no individuals will end up paying. However, it would seriously cut down on SPAM, which I think is a good thing. As for corporations, well they all have lots of money. If they can afford $.41 to send letters to every customer and employee, they can afford $.05/E-mail.
This allowance would be charged by the head or entity, not by the account. So multiple accounts won't mean skirting the limit.
I understand why some may not like the idea of government-run E-mail. But the USPS is government also, and I have absolutely no qualms, worries, or concerns about employees going through the mail. If they do so they will be in very serious trouble.
And if privacy is a concern, you're still stuck even with the current state of things. The government can already sniff network traffic, so what difference does it make if they run the nation's E-mail servers as well? | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| In answer to the question.... "should Isp's forward your email when you move"....
I think the answer is yes..provided a customer is willing to pay a reduced fee for the service as long as they want the forwarding to take place.
In other words, I think they should be required to do so in order to not lock someone into a bad or poor service simply for the sake of their email address but yet, a (small) fee should be charged, whether one time/up front for X amount of months..or an ongoing fee for a longer term.
When a person forwards their mail from the post office..the post office isn't losing that person as a customer.
Forwarding is a part of the regular ongoing service that will continue on to the next address.
When a wireless provider ports your number..it's a one time thing..they have no responsibility to service your account thereafter.
Email forwarding isn't comparable to those things.
One presumes a customers wants the ISP to continue to provide this service for a while. That deserves a fee to be paid to the isp. Otherwise, they have no obligation to someone for canceling their service.
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Hehe
@ssa.gov
| What I think The FCC should mandate that the ISP have a documented policy on forwarding email after the service is cancled. But the FCC should not dictate what the policy is. The FCC should require at least 1 year of notice before the ISP can change the policy (or enforce the new policy).
If a user does not like the policy, then switch ISPs (or email provider). But get a good email address first!
I have maintained my own email system and domains for about 10 years. But I would not expect a normal (non-geek) to be able to do this.
I do think 1 year of free email forwarding is reasonable. Maybe with a daily limit. Or a bounce with the new email address. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Do not need FCC I know the frustration about have my email account closed when I switched to Comcast. Unlike the regulation lovers I took it upon myself to proved a solution. First I bought a domain name from Go daddy then set myself up with a web hosting company. Now all my email comes though a third party host and I have better web hosting than Comcast. | |
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Nope
@nextweb.net | No If people are going form provider to provider, they should just use one of the zillion freemail services (eg GMail) or God forbid buy domain mail given that it's dirt cheap. | |
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Yes and No.... Yes, it will help people to make the move to another ISP more easily. I know at least 2 persons that are sticking with their current ISP for just one reason: They don't want to lose their e-mail address.
No, ISP's should not be responsible for you moving, and having a business and NOT spending the $5 a month for your own domain hosting and e-mail is absolutely stupid. These days, if someone needs something, the first place they look is the internet. And yes, I have seen businesses using hotmail and gmail addresses as their professional contact.
As for myself, I figured out this problem, and many other problems with ISP e-mail (such as diskspace) a long, long time ago. I have had my own domain since 2000, and since then I went through 1 ISP rename (and e-mail domain change) and 2 moves with ISP change, including one intercontinental move.
If I had stayed with ISP e-mail, I had to have dealt with FOUR e-mail changes over the last 7 years. No.... thanks.
Also, my current ISP (RoadRunner) only offers 10Mb per mailbox. I often receive attachments that are 1 or 2 Mb in size (usually a pack of digital photos of some sort) and is not uncommon to receive 10 to 15 Mb of e-mail on a day. And I really don't want to be confronted with my e-mail box being "full".
My domain gives me 20 gb, which I can share and setup any way I want. My e-mailbox is 250 Mb right now, and I use the rest of the 20 Gb for my website, my private FTP site for some personal software (on a 100 Mbps dedicated, FAST speed), and to experiment with MySQL. I also have 2 other domains pointing to folders on my main domain.
I pay $9.95 a month for the service, but you can already host your own domain for as little as $3 a month. If you just need e-mail, you can register your domain and have e-mail on it for like $15 a YEAR.
I don't like to be chained to an ISP. A domain is movable from one hoster to another if I don't like the one I am with.
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Don't use your ISPs e-mail All the more reason not to use your ISP's e-mail account as your main contact. Even if you must use that, there are plenty of free e-mail forwarding services to use. Just give everyone your "forwarding service" e-mail address and have the e-mails go to your ISP's inbox. Then, when your ISP account goes away, change the forwarding to go to your new address. | |
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Mrq5
The Fab Four
join:1999-08-21
Warren, MI
| Yes, why not forward emails Unfortunately too many here at DSLRs have lost touch with mainstream Internet users. The large marjority of U.S. Internet users are non-techies. Of course I would never ever use an AOL email account as a primary business account but I still recognize that many do. In fact my brother who is a music producer uses a AOL account for his business email. I know, I know, this is truly silly to me and you but he honestly doesnt know any better.
I dont see a problem with any ISP forwarding email UPON REQUEST for a short period maybe 30-60 days if someone chooses to cancel service. Heck most average users feel tied to AOL, Comcast, ATT, etc... for this very reason, fear of not receiving important emails. | |
| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Yes, why not forward emails said by Mrq5 :Unfortunately too many here at DSLRs have lost touch with mainstream Internet users. The large marjority of U.S. Internet users are non-techies. Yes, but if many of the people can find eBay, iTunes, and Youtube already, then maybe - if email is that important to them - they can learn the basics of the internet first.
Personal responsibility if the key here.
I don't see a problem with any ISP forwarding email UPON REQUEST for a short period maybe 30-60 days if someone chooses to cancel service. Heck most average users feel tied to AOL, Comcast, ATT, etc... for this very reason, fear of not receiving important emails.
I do see a problem. They are ISPs first, and email providers second. I own a GM car with XM radio in it. If I wanted to buy a Ford vehicle, should XM or GM be required to provide me with a portable XM radio until I've gotten used to my ford provided Serius radio?
AOL has this right a long time ago - and it honestly saved their butts for some time - but many people DIDN'T cancel their AOL *BECAUSE* of their @AOL.COM address.
In effect, what some people believe is that an ISP should cut their own throats. These "value added services" are what ISPs use to hold on to some customers. Verizon provides access to premium services to Yahoo that they can't keep otherwise. So, when I drop Verizon, should they be required to allow me to hold on to these services for a while as well? So why is email any different?
It's time to stop making excuses for people because they don't want to learn the basics of the internet. Many people will even tell you they don't have the time to understand - "just make it work for me" (email)... It never stops amazing me that people will learn how to use eBay and Amazon, but won't take the time to empower themselves and understand how their email works. Even when there is a problem with something as simple as email, it's just "fix it for me and don't bother me with what's wrong"...
I do not feel sorry for ANYONE that doesn't take the time or isn't interested in learning how email works. And besides, to change email is easier than one here thinks. Most people will either send out a message to everyone they know and ask them to update their address book (now that takes a rocket scientist, right?) or, they simply will call and tell people that things have changed. Even I, a power user on the internet, will forget some business contacts that my email may have changed.
The final blow to this debate is simple.. if someone is sending a piece of email to someone that is important to get out and it bounces back, then why aren't THEY picking up the phone and saying "your email bounced - what's your new address?" ... and if the recipient has only an email relationship with the outside world, then maybe they should rethink their business model or have better communications with the customer - OR, stop the failed attempt at being self employed and get a regular job again.
There is really NOTHING in this story that gives this lady a valid complaint. Email is NOT the only form of communication... people need to stop believing it is.
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| laudensa
join:2000-08-31
Reston, VA
| She will hate this answer It would be interesting to know who actually owns the e-mail address/AOL screen name. I'd be willing to bet that it is not the user, but the domain owner (in this case AOL).
IMHO, it's really the same thing with your company or school e-mail addresses - the owner of the domain (company or school) issues you the address to use while you are associated with them. Once your relationship has ended, you have no further claim to use the property of your former employer/school.
Frankly, I think this woman is a very poor business person, and did something really foolish - she canceled her service before lining up a replacement and notifying her clients of the change.
Too bad. Her fault. Nothing to regulate here. Move along and stop wasting the FCC's time. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: She will hate this answer said by laudensa :Frankly, I think this woman is a very poor business person, and did something really foolish - she canceled her service before lining up a replacement and notifying her clients of the change. If you read her claim, she did NOT cancel the account. She attempted to switch it from a pay-account (being paid for via her CC) to a free account. The problem was that she was not the owner of the Master Account (her accounts were the secondary accounts) and AoL screwed by by canceling the account instead of making it a free account. | |
| expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | She was relying on AOL for business?? Tsk tsk.......I understand her frustration, but I think this is clearly a case of getting what you pay for. | |
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lollercoaster
@bell.ca
| Re: She was relying on AOL for business?? That is exactly it, I would NEVER do business with any "business" who uses an AOL account for either their website or their Email account. It lacks any legitimacy whatsoever, and this is a perfect example of why. Someone who uses AOL for their business obviously isn't bright enough to be trusted with my money.
Also, does that idiot actually expect AOL to reserve their email account for someone who isnt a customer anymore? Why should they? I'm sure there are many other Jane Doe's who use AOL and want the "janedoe@AOL.com" or "sexybunnybum@AOL.com" email address. | |
| phoenix1362
join:2007-01-26
Orem, UT
·Comcast
·Broadweave Networks
| No Forwarding I don't expect that many people really use their ISPs e-mail services. I use a free e-mail service for my personal e-mail and any work would either be tied to my place of employment or my own domain. Having the FCC regulate would just plain be a bad idea.
Maybe an ISP should have a policy of a certain amount of time after service cancellation. 1 week, 2 weeks, something, so people aren't caught by surprise. But at the same time I couldn't blame an ISP for just shutting everything off all at once and forgetting about it. | |
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