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 |   deltat2000 Timor Omnis Abesto Premium join:2000-04-13 127.0.0.1 clubs:
| Re: X-Treme marketing has failed again. Quote: Extensive performance and interoperability testing using standard based methods including NetIQs Chariot software reveals a significant increase in performance of the D-Link Xtreme G over other 802.11g based competitors. EndQuote
Yep..........the fastest disconnect in the west! -- Help Team Starfire get into fifth place... Join Team Starfire today!!(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split | |
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@xmission.com
| Re: X-Treme marketing has failed again. I wrote DLink about the "new and improved" bios for the 624. Here is their lame response:
Date of Reply: 2/23/2004 5:29:45 PM
Products: DI-624_revC Operating System: Windows XP Pro
The firmware was pulled off the website. Why? We were not informed on when and why it was pulled off the website.
If you have questions regarding D-Link product specifications, product implementation and compatibility or information about new D-Link product releases, please contact our sales department for further assistance at (800)326-1688 > Option 1 Monday-Friday, 6:00AM - 6:00PM, Pacific Time, excluding major holidays.
Thank you for your interest in D-Link products.
This is hardly a valid response. So angry am I, that I am selling my DLINK and getting another brand. While I am not sure that QA is any better, but this response is totally inadequate and unprofessional. This is my first, and LAST Dlink product. | |
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 |   Poopsmith That's Mr. Smith To You.
join:2003-03-12 Boulder, CO | Maddox is always right. | |
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 |  |   Maxo Your tax dollars at work. Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL clubs: | Re: X-Treme marketing has failed again. said by Poopsmith : Maddox is always right.
Word | |
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 |   rogue_ I Have A Secret Window Premium join:2001-10-17 Lake Hiawatha, NJ
| In the marketing 'hype' it claims you must use a specific D-Link network card as well to experience the 'extreme' speeds. I wonder if the people who are experiencing the problems have wireless cards othere than what D-Link specifies? -- Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future. | |
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 |  |   jdeare1 Slowride Premium join:2002-07-02 Wheaton, IL | Re: X-Treme marketing has failed again. Unfortunately, we didn't even have the extreme speeds until this firmware release. But, I think it's a pretty universal problem (among others) with this router. | |
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join:2000-10-11 Lincolnshire, IL clubs: 
| Unfortunate All these consumer grade manufactures are faced with increasingly short product life cycles and feel pressure to push stuff out the door as quickly as possible- regardless of the state of the firmware/user interface. The buyers, in effect, become beta-testers. In their partial defence, Netgear has had similar issues with this chipset (Atheros) too, so it might be bigger than just a Dlink issue.
I'm all for open source, the Linksys Wrt54G has become a enterprise class beast because of the talents of some of their users.
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 |  tc17
join:2003-08-14
| Re: Unfortunate said by kaila : All these consumer grade manufactures are faced with increasingly short product life cycles and feel pressure to push stuff out the door as quickly as possible- regardless of the state of the firmware/user interface. The buyers, in effect, become beta-testers. In their partial defence, Netgear has had similar issues with this chipset (Atheros) too, so it might be bigger than just a Dlink issue.
I'm all for open source, the Linksys Wrt54G has become a enterprise class beast because of the talents of some of their users.
From what I have read, it seems every G brand of router is having their share of problems. Not just Dlink. My previous router was this Dlink 624, and I really liked it except it kept disconnecting many times each day.
My current Linksys WRT54G rev2.0 works reliable, except its severely lacking in features compared to the Dlink. Rarely gets updated, and the hacked firmwares do not really add anything usefull for the average person. And even the hacked firmware rarely gets updated anymore. Your at the mercy of the guy writing it and what he wants in it, not what you want. | |
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 |  texasnakes
join:2001-02-01 Fort Worth, TX
| Can we say Class action Lawsuit. I installed this equipment into one of my coustomers Office. A law office Not only did this prove to be a huge embaressment. Thay are hopping mad. I showed them all the post in the dlink form. They are planing on fileing a class action . | |
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  FD5 True Athlon Power Premium join:2003-09-14 Saint Paul, MN clubs:
| open source in my opinion i havnt quite thought about drivers being open source but if third parties have improved some things on the router then why wouldnt companies make a base version of the drivers...then say OK...heres an open source model of the same thing...geek out there...go nuts
i like that but would it actually happen??? -- My Gallery Pics | |
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 |  Talis
join:2001-06-21 Houston, TX
| Re: open source That whole comment about turning over driver development to the open source world is just a troll. I'll bite, I guess.
The company screwed up a firmware upgrade. Don't you think comments like this are just an over-reaction to the issue? What makes the author believe that any open-source project to maintain and develop these drivers would have prevented this?
Comments like this infuriate me. They equate problem code with commercial development and immaculately conceived, flawlessly executing code with open-source, communal development. Open source code can stink just as much, if not more, than commercial code.
I can guarantee you that what matters most, much more than whether a commercial enterprise wrote the code or some group of uber-geeks on a mountain-top, are the controls put in place to ensure quality. If those don't exist, neither group will come close to writing software that works. | |
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join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL
| Re: open source I don't want to get into the open source debate but it should be noted that in D-Link's case they have had a number of problems with their recent firmware and drivers for the G series products that should have never made it past QA. Just take a look at the topics in the forum over the past few months whenever a new firmware/driver was released.
Some bugs are understandable but a number of these have been product crippling bugs. | |
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 |   Tomek Premium join:2002-01-30 Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
| Re: Another Reason... I have many DLINK products and I begin to regret that. I bought them cheap. DI-704P router with useless options and all useful are missing or disabled. Often crashes for no reason. Print server only allows me to cancel print job. DWL-2000AP almost died when I tried using SuperG with WPA. I had to flash back firmware to remover SuperG. DWL-G650 - driver is a joke. Disconnects, poor WPA support. Just look at DLINK forum for adventures with latest driver. DSL-300G, It was quite a good modem. No complaints except for ugly look.
When I was buying network gear, I chose DLINK because of "better" lifespan and look than linksys or netgear. -- There are 32 types of people.Those who understand HEX and those who don't. | |
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join:2001-12-10 Madison Heights, VA | "Xtreme" routers does this router really transfer at 108mb? | |
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 |   pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: "Xtreme" routers said by viken03 : does this router really transfer at 108mb?
Nope... it just uses 2 54Mbps channels to get the "theoretical" speed of 108Mbps. If you're lucky you can probably get 20-30Mbps out of each channel. -- Do the world a favor, Saddam. Kill yourself. | |
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  Wally Premium join:2002-12-14 Clearfield, UT | worked fine for me I don't know what the problem is. I updated my firmware, rebooted my router and everything works great. | |
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 |  ripoff
join:2002-01-27 canada | Re: DLink = Lose I too have a DI-614+ which is a paper weight since the firmware upgrade. Is there any fix for this now dead unit? | |
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 |  |   Goober Premium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL | Re: DLink = Lose 713P+ for about 2 years. Never a problem.
But, I do agree that they can't put out working firmware upgrades to save their souls. | |
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 |  |  |   mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Re: DLink = Lose I have a DLink DI-604 router which I initially had slowdowns with my OOL connection, but a firmware upgrade and reboot of the modem cleared things up. It works great now. | |
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@140.192.x.x | 713P is, im my opinion, a very nice piece of equipment. Too bad it is old. | |
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@verizon.ne
| For those with 614+ Rev B (single antenna) I updated with the 3.2X firmwares and got many errors with wireless devices, I found a canada dlink support site which have the 3.35 firmware »support.dlink.ca/ProductView.asp?ProdID=221 after the upgrade I finally got my wireless 120+ and other smc products to connect. been about a month and I didnt get any lock ups. hope that helps | |
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 |  der_panzer
join:2003-12-18 Lebanon, TN
| said by Da22in : I have a DLink DI-614+, and as a router it's a piece of [canine excrement]. After getting the newest firmware: had to reboot several times a day, long delays in getting to the WAN, severe bandwidth loss.
I've also got a DI-614+, and upgraded the firmware a few days ago. Overnight, it locked up. It has been up and running for several days now after a cold reboot, though.
I haven't noticed a difference in time to connect or performance. My wireless cards are DLink DWL-122 USB adapters on computers running Linux (linux-wlan-ng drivers). I run 128-bit WEP. | |
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join:2001-08-13 Torrance, CA
| Re: DLink = Lose I have a D-link 614+ as well. I paid $2 AR a year ago. It's been pretty stable. Haven't had a crash for months. Granted I've only updated the firmware when I first got it. The wireless range sucks bad for some reason though. For $2 I think it's worth it.  | |
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join:2002-08-31 Resolute, NU
| Re: DLink = Lose said by vwtoys : I have a D-link 614+ as well. I paid $2 AR a year ago. It's been pretty stable. Haven't had a crash for months. Granted I've only updated the firmware when I first got it. The wireless range sucks bad for some reason though. For $2 I think it's worth it. 
They are a scumbag company that wouldint Honor 3 mail in rebates that I sent in around Christmas. (in separate envelopes)
$120 worth of rebates I lose on, and that great Christmas present now ended up costing me a ton. No more D-Link products for me.. -- I will use google before asking dumb questions. | |
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join:2004-02-23 San Clemente, CA | Re: DLink = Lose
Try the G router from Iogear. It includes a USB-based printer serrver for free, so you can print wirelessly. The new Laptop magazine gives it a high rating. | |
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·Verizon FIOS
| My dlink wired is fine. Ive had my DI-704p for a year or 2 (latest firmware), never had 1 problem, and its much smaller then linksys and other routers. But If I ever go wireless or get another router I would probably go linksys. -- :: My current desktop :: | |
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| D-Link I remember with my D-Link router a while back, I updated the firmware to resolve a minor issue. When I upgraded, which I done so properly, the router would reboot itself every few minutes.
I then contacted their support and described the problem. I only causally mentioned that it would be nice if the company tested their releases a bit more thoroughly to prevent such issues, as this clearly wasn't my own fault.
Their response to my email was, to take the router back to the place I purchased it and get a different brand. I still have that email somewhere, too. Such coming from a support department, I was quite shocked.
So not only did they not help me, but they told me to pretty much get lost.
About a month or so after that, there was a nice bold, red, statement on their support site for a fix to resolve the router resetting itself. | |
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 |  new2sbcdsl Got Oracle
join:2002-11-21 Lake Villa, IL | Re: D-Link Well yeah thats Dlink . i've had a 624 and a 614 + rev b and both have been big time failures in what dlink calls as marketing hype. i think it is now time for someone to take some action and make the company come up with good firmwares | |
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join:2001-08-24 Miami, FL | Re: D-Link well i was thinking os tossing my linksys wired router to go with d link but now I will go with linksys for wirelss. | |
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join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO
| Is the problem from Atheros? I thought the Atheros chipset was only for the WiFi portion of the product. Does it also operate the routing code too?
The reason I ask is that I have seen similar complaints against the NetGear WGT624 router which uses the same Atheros chipset.
This could be a problem from the source. I doubt NetGear or D-Link write the entire firmware. I'd be willing to bet that Atheros provides them a base firmware with APIs. Then companies put a UI around it to make it theirs.
I have a WGT624 and it seems pretty solid. However, I just purchased it and after a few Vonage glitches, a NetGear support guy sent me a new firmware release that isn't yet available on their site. Seems to work fine now. | |
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join:2004-01-22
| Thanks Karl Bode Carl, great write up and thanks for highlighting the issues on the front page. We now have acknowledgement from Dlink Tech Support that they are working on the issues, and at record speed, they claim.
Keeping your finger on the pulse of one of the forums has been a great catalyze for morphing it from a bitch session to a real agent of change.
Thanks again, and time will tell how receptive Dlink was, and how effective we were collectively at inciting them into productive action. | |
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| V 2.28 is back!!!!
Looks like the firmware (2.36) has been taken off the page and guess what! 2.28 is back. I had to send in my first router because of high pitch noise, the new router seems to be working fine but often disconnects ( closely following the other thread on disconnects ). I do not remember my previous router giving such problems. I am thinking of falling back to 2.26. | |
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@66.153.x.x
| D-Link for president
My job is to set up networking for home businesses and small companies (under 300PCs) and I used (pre 2004) to always recommend and install Linksys routers, since they were fast, cheap, had all the features a company that browses the web will ever need. I now only recommend the low end D-Link routers for the very reason that Linksys routers (ALL of them I have come across) made in late 2003 have died a slow, painful, many-lockups-despite-firmware-version death.
And on the low-end D-link comment. I live by the common sense rule that when you add more features, you add more chance for bugs, want 'Xtreme' features, get 'Xtreme' bugs. Simple is safe, and consequently, simple is also reliable and fast.
I own a D-Link DI-504 wireless router, never had a problem, locked up once in 6 months of constant use (I run a website behind it). Bare bones router, has decent features, never have to worry about it.
How many Ford escorts are still on the road from 1985? Now how many 1985 farrari's do you see roaming the streets with the same # of miles and the same amount of upkeep put into them?
You get what you pay for? Not quite. You get what you shop for. | |
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 |   TheGiant Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28 Augusta, GA | Re: D-Link for president I have a 604 Router and after a firware upgrade to fix an MTU problem I have not had any trouble from it. Must be The wireless that gives them trouble. -- I wish to Negotiate. | |
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join:2002-07-06 Upper Marlboro, MD 2 edits | 624 rev A or B? Is rev. A or B of the 624 effected by this? The current firmware ver. is 1.28 for rev. B. | |
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join:2004-02-23
| Reports of demise greatly exaggerated? Problems w Disturbed by some of what I saw posted here even though my DI624 works flawlessly I shot an email to Dlink with the link to this forum to see how they would respond this was what I received...
The posts on DSL reports are generally vague. The people never really explain what protocols, servers, ISP, services, etc. that they are running. Using these $50 to $100 routers to host a big website, or host mail servers is not generally a good idea, this is mainly when the rebooting is likely to occur. Using AppleTalk or IPX/SPX does not work on our products. If you take these products for what the are, internet sharing, firewall, file sharing, etc. then you usually do not have any problems. If you have an ethernet modem, use TCP/IP for networking, and do not use AOL, you should not have any problems. There have been some issues with firmware, but those are being taken care of. Please e-mail back with any questions. Thanks.
Take it for what its worth if anything.
Sorry the reponse wasn't more helpful.
Sandman21 | |
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 |  xgman
join:2002-07-06 Upper Marlboro, MD | Re: Reports of demise greatly exaggerated? Problems w well at least that guy heard of the problem. the tech I spoke to knew nothing of the firmware issue. | |
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 |  SoCal99
join:2004-01-22
| Dlink's email response is a JOKE! I have a 624 that reboots all the time and I have, "explain what protocols, servers, ISP, services, and etc." I'm using to the Dlink Phone tech support level 3 people and it hasn't help one bit.
In addition, I'm not, "Using these $50 to $100 routers to host a big website, or host mail servers" nor am I using "AppleTalk or IPX/SPX.
This email is indicative of exactly what the problem is, and that is, there is an element within Dlink that refuses to believe there is anything wrong with the product and they therefore have decided that any problems are solely a misapplication or wrong configuration setting caused by the users! Therefore, because there is no problem with the unit, in their minds, they think they don't have to deal with the issues.
Who knows, in the beginning Microsoft denied problems and blamed other companies' products for bugs in their system but yet they still built a 50 Billion dollar cash reserve for their company! Maybe Dlink is just following the successful microsoft business model!
I'm just thankful that is also an element within Dlink that admits that there are problems and that the forum is helpful and that THEY are working hard to resolve the issues! I have faith, but the clock is ticking! | |
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join:2004-02-23 988684
| another crappy D-link product not the first So D-link put out another crappy product not the first in a series of crappy D-link products.I once made the mistake of purchasing a DWL-120+.right on the box and their web site it said it supported windows 98(SE and ME)but when I hooked it up it gave me all kinds of problems boot up issues forget rebooting it would lock up or crash half way through. I tried this and that to no avail.wrote the company got some lame ass response back.couldn't take the piece of crap back because I didn't hook it up right away as I was updating the computor at the time. and by the time I got D-links lame ass response back the 14 day exchange period had passed.wrote D-link again and check their F.A.Q. page,1.got the same lame ass response back with a added note that it worked on their intel computor.2.their F.A.Q. web page listed a known issue with windows 98(SE and ME)were it would lock up or crash on boot up and rebooting.plus many more problem.so how could it support 98 D-links response blank take it back, don't know when known driver issue will be fixed.leave it unplugged tell booting-rebooting is finished.install different OS.worked with 2000 the only reason I bought the piece of crap paper weight was because it supported 98.told people I would never buy a D-link product again heres a classic example aonther crappy D-link product.buy anything but D-link, like SMC or linksys they work great glad I don't buy D-link anymore. | |
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| crapness incarnated I already posted this but here it is again because D-Link has earned itself bad press. The latest firmware for the DI 614+ (3.28) is plagued with the same problems. It reboots, disconnects your router randomly many times a day. It's a pain. When I change my router it will be a linksys. Now I just reinstalled the previous firmware and it it's back to working. That means I can't use the WPA security protocol for as long as Dlink get it's act together. | |
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@129.33.x.x
| Typical junk from Taiwan Dlink is a Taiwanese company that happens to sell their product in the USA, and their way of doing business is based on Chinese tradition. In China and Taiwan, when you purchase a product, it's yours, with no way to return it, and no expectation of after sale support. So, by Chinese standards, Dlink is an exceptionally generous company. If you don't believe me, ask ANYONE from Taiwan who lives in the USA. Most people from Taiwan who have moved to the USA think that it's quite novel that merchants stand behind products and will accept returns.
I think that their lack of attention to quality and customer support is as much a cultural problem as a technical problem. The bottom line is that you need to throughly investigate a DLink product before buying it; buy it from a dealer with a generous return policy, just in case it does not live up to your expectations; and test it throughly and quickly when you get so that you can return it during the return period, if needed. | |
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join:2004-03-31 Rosebud, MO
| d-link = cheap lesson in crap manufactureing
i have d-link (ugh) 604 ...nothing but trouble...wont buy from this company again ...rude customer support,,,,product over heats then comes to a gradual complete crawl then stop..dead ....might as well use it for what it is a fire starter ....i have unplugged due to risk of fire hazzard......damn taipan import!! | |
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·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| get buffalo equp. after having problenm with two dlink 2000ap access points not really having wds (ie letting me put another switch and multiple machines behind the other end of the access point) and also problems with a 624 someone at comp usa recommended buffalo equip... have wbrg54 and wla-g54 and never problem... just recently upgraded wbr-g54 to sveasoft firmware... works great.. also they have external antenna interfaces and i put a big 21db antenna upstairs and a little 9db one downstairs... gotto love this uptime
Firmware Version: Alchemy-1.0 v3.37.6.8sv Current Time: Not Available MAC Address: 00:07:40:DF:4A:F7 Router Name: SVEASOFT Host Name: dlink Domain Name: lgk.com Uptime: 12:40:49 up 18 days, 12:40, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Internet
Configuration Type Login Type: Disabled
also this great wds stats:
MAC Address: 00:07:40:DF:4A:F8 Mode: AP Network: G-Only SSID: larry DHCP Server: Enabled Channel: 6 Rate: 36 mbps WDS Signal: 00:07:40:A2:82:A9 rssi -62 Encryption: Enabled | |
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 |   mysticmage
@mindspring.com
| dlink I have a Dlink 624M and it works without a single problem. I have a cable connection. 2 computers with dlink super g cards. and with both computers I have never lost a connection. I can transfer a 2gb file between one wireless computer to another in about 4 mins.
and if thats not good enough for you all. Get yourself a Fiber network and eat around 5k-30k doing it. | |
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