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Smaller U-Verse VRADs?
Mini VRADs spotted in the wild
by Karl Bode 07:06PM Thursday Jul 05 2007
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Right on the heels of another batch of complaints concerning the size of AT&T VDSL cabinets comes word from the U-Verse Users website that the company is deploying boxes half the size of the original "52b" cabinets. It's not clear if the cabinets will be used in all future deployments, but the news is probably welcome for communities (Illinois, Michigan, Cleveland and Columbus, Ohio) concerned about the aesthetic and property value impact of the "lawn fridge."

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Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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LOL OMG...

That still looks big to me, but I guess I'm used to the mini-bump thing we have in our area...

Its hard to believe that that's the new one? I forgot how huge the pics of the old ones were yet...

Now the VZ ONT? Thank goodness they scaled that down!

ftthz
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Re: LOL OMG...

meh...I'm waiting for the VRAD to go live

Fox McCloud
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Re: LOL OMG...

I wouldn't complain, especially if it meant higher speeds; after all, that VRAD is still smaller than most of the DSLAM's around here.

yock
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Re: LOL OMG...

said by Fox McCloud:

I wouldn't complain, especially if it meant higher speeds; after all, that VRAD is still smaller than most of the DSLAM's around here.
Perhaps, but DSLAMs don't usually sit in your front yard.
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Ahrenl

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North Andover, MA

Re: LOL OMG...

It looks like they just stood farther back when they took the pic..

koolkid1563
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Powell, WY

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How is that still big? I have seen several of these in my area, they are slightly smaller than the SAI sitting right next to it...

DaSneaky1D
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Thank goodness it's smaller!

Now residents only have to ignore the 6' fiber marker with the bright orange cap.

Wonder if complaints will get AT&T to change that?
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wee96
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join:2000-04-12
Clinton Township, MI

Wahaha

They have a ton of them in our area, see them activating them daily. They are seriously huge, technology doesn't bother me but I can totally understand why people would be extremely annnoyed.

koolkid1563
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Powell, WY

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Re: Wahaha

They are half as high as I am, and slightly smaller than a SAI x-box, how is that still huge?

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: Wahaha

There's probably more than one size of these boxes.
The one near my house (still has no power, although the city was live May 1), is about 4 1/2' tall.

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said by koolkid1563:

They are half as high as I am, and slightly smaller than a SAI x-box, how is that still huge?
considering you are 14 feet tall, it is seriously HUGE

koolkid1563
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Re: Wahaha

They are really only about 4 feet tall, sure its not exactly half my height, but you get the idea, they are still much smaller than the 52B, slightly smaller than the SAI...what is the big deal?

I don't see too many people whining that their telco put a SAI in their neighborhood...
Done_Posting
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Agreed. I see a lot of the huge beige boxes popping up all over my city too. Well, in the areas with decent non-ghetto homes anyway. It's funny, they have similar boxes the size of a station wagon installed across the street from the telecom I work for. I know we hand off some pretty big circuits to them (OC-48's, OC-192's in the near future too I think) but still, there has to be a decent amount of spare room in that enclosure for future expansion or something...

- Tate

EDIT: Grammar correction

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Answer Guy

join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI

Re: Wahaha

I assume you mean a cabinet that is about 12'x6'x6'. Those cabinets are a completely different technology and/or completely different usage than the FTTN VRADs. That box is engineered to service an area about 12 times larger than the VRAD is today. Of course, distance is everything in FTTN, so they are setup for the wrong network.
Done_Posting
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Re: Wahaha

said by Answer Guy:

I assume you mean a cabinet that is about 12'x6'x6'. Those cabinets are a completely different technology and/or completely different usage than the FTTN VRADs. That box is engineered to service an area about 12 times larger than the VRAD is today. Of course, distance is everything in FTTN, so they are setup for the wrong network.
Yes, in fact those dimensions sound about right. If memory serves, there are two of these enclosures sitting across the street from our NOC. Stacked on top of eachother, they'd be about the size of our diesel generator.

- Tate

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RIRWIN1983

join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH

Re: Wahaha

There called RT or remote terminals, brings the co closed to the suburbs/served area and alot of times expands dsl availability
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Re: Wahaha

said by RIRWIN1983:

There called RT or remote terminals, brings the co closed to the suburbs/served area and alot of times expands dsl availability
Not to be argumentative, but we have our own RT's and they're nowhere near the size of the big boys we're discussing above. The smallest we use are about the size of a small newspaper vending machine, and the largest cabinets we install are about five or six feet tall and have the dimensions of a large armoire. Granted, our units are all meant for deployment indoors, so maybe that has something to do with the size difference.

- Tate

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Good move on ATT's part...

I applaud this move on ATT's part to try to use smaller and less intrusive VRADS. Large utility boxes, whether telco, cable or power, have a whole list of negative items that can come with them - affect neighborhood appearance, create safety issues if placed wrong (blocking line of sight at an intersection or the end of driveway, etc.), hurting property value, etc.
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bogey7806

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Re: Good move on ATT's part...

Odds are this smaller box handles fewer lines. No sense in installing 200 lines of DSL to a box that has roughly 80-90 lines for POTS.

though I hope they keep installing the large ones in Connecticut just to give Rick something to jaw on about.
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Re: Good move on ATT's part...

said by bogey7806:

Odds are this smaller box handles fewer lines. No sense in installing 200 lines of DSL to a box that has roughly 80-90 lines for POTS.
Didn't think of that... Of course, figure as time goes on, the manufacturer will find a way to shrink the ones with a higher port density to reduce costs.

though I hope they keep installing the large ones in Connecticut just to give Rick something to jaw on about.
Rick will complain no matter what. At least the rest of us have valid concerns and criticisms. He just rants regardless.
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spg
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The size is proportionate to the SAI

^^^

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Re: The size is proportionate to the SAI

said by spg:

^^^
That's about what I thought common sac boxes are not much bigger than that thing. Hell almost looks like it could be a big pedistal box.

koolkid1563
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Re: The size is proportionate to the SAI

Thank you! Finally someone that agrees with me!

Anon655

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Smaller U-Verse Boxes = 52bp

According to AT&T, the newer boxes are the model "52bp". They are 48" tall vs. 63" tall for the older "52b" boxes.

AT&T says that unless a city requests the older, taller 52b box, all new construction will feature the lower profile 52bp boxes.

AT&T is also offering the installation of landscaping adjacent to the boxes to screen their appearance.

Finally, some cities are insuring that the vents point away from the homes in the area. That means the fan noise in the boxes radiate towards the street vs. towards the home.

GlenQuagmire
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Mini Box

I just had one of those boxes installed just across the street from my apartment. I thought it belonged to Comcast but I guess it's AT&T. The only problem is that we have had a hole in the ground next to it for 4 month. How hard is it for them to finish the install and replant grass.
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b3nj4m1n

join:2006-05-14
Charlotte, MI

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delete please =)

bah! didn't go where I wanted. lol

eric_n_dfw

join:2001-10-22
Roanoke, TX

Got one of these in Euless, TX (DFW mid-cities area)

See: »UVerse VRAD installed in Euless, TX (DFW Mid-Cities)

Heterman
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Fayetteville, AR

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Plant something around it, sheesh. Only reason it looks like a big honking box sticking out like a sore thumb is because, well, mainly because it is. So hide it.
ftth_freak

join:2005-06-17
Ballwin, MO

VRAD/Uverse....Whatever

U-Verse will ultimately be recognized as one of the biggest mis-calculated technical blunders of the 21st century.

babwas

join:2005-04-09
Omaha, NE
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cabinet sizes

I used to work for Lucent and then Avaya making cabinets for cell phone towers and DSL. The cell cabinets were TDMA, Power, Powerhouse 24, 66C, and the 52E for DSL. Most of the cabinets were around 72"x36"x30" for cell phones, but the DSL 52E were a nice 60"x60"x24" or so. I wouldn't want one of those in my yard. Thing is when I worked for them at one point we were shipping 250-300 52E a week. Some people have been seeing those for years now.

RIRWIN1983

join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH

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52B vs 52 bp specs

52BP – Remote Terminal Outdoor Enclosure
The 52BP cabinet improves on the 52A with the addition of a separate splice chamber. It can house any vendor’s electronics to provide services such as ADSL, HDSL, T-1, POTS, and ISDN, or may be used as a fiber hub or power node in outdoor applications.

CommScope 52-Type cabinets include:

Enhanced Cooling System: supports dense electronic systems/high traffic rate applications and extends battery life (reducing costs).

Sealed Bays: protect electronics from humidity, dust and rain for improved circuit pack life.

Improved Physical Design: provides maximum use of cabinet space, flexibility in configuration and resistance to weather, fire and vandalism.

Reliable: extensive testing and qualification by CommScope laboratories to meet all Telcordia GR-487 or equivalent industry standards.

Specifications:
Outside Dimensions 43W X 48H X 21D
Cooling Capacity 800 Watts
Rack Mounting Space 29 inches
Rack Width 23 inches
Side Splice and Separate Battery Compartments

52B – Remote Terminal Outdoor Enclosure
The 52B cabinet offers 44” of vertical rack space, 15” more than the 52BP cabinet, for increased line density in the same footprint. It will house any vendor’s electronics to provide services including xDSL, Optical Networking, T-1 Extensions and Digital Loop Carrier services, or may be used as a fiber hub or power node in outdoor applications.

CommScope 52-Type cabinets include:

Enhanced Cooling System: supports dense electronic systems/high traffic rate applications and extends battery life (reducing costs).

Sealed Bays: protect electronics from humidity, dust and rain for improved circuit pack life.

Improved Physical Design: provides maximum use of cabinet space, flexibility in configuration and resistance to weather, fire and vandalism.

Reliable: extensive testing and qualification by CommScope laboratories to meet all Telcordia GR-487 or equivalent industry standards

Specifications:
Outside Dimensions 43W X 63H X 21D
Cooling Capacity 1400 Watts
Rack Mounting Space 44 inches
Rack Width 23 inches
Side Splice and Separate Battery Compartments

AND BEFORE ANYONE SAYS THEY ARNT USING COMMSCOPE, I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY ARE, JUST HAD ONE POP UP NEAR BY, AND THE CREW LEFT THE SKID IT CAME ON W/THE INSTALLATION DOCUMENTATION. BEHIND.
skrupowies

join:2002-08-22
Bristol, CT

Re: 52B vs 52 bp specs

In the U-Verse application the 52BP will provide up to 192 video lines, the 52B will provide up to 384 video lines and the 52E will provide up to 768 video lines. They are deployed based on the intended serving area (called a distribution area) number of residences.

stomp357

join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA

Don't like them... Move to the rural areas.

When someone complains that a broadband company won't deploy equipment to their area, people who have broadband always say something "ignert" like, "if you want it, then move". Well, if you don't like the boxes, then move to the country where they never will be deployed. IMO, they can't make them big enough.
My 6Mbit tier is working fine, but if I can better service, they can install a cabinet next to my place that blocks the sun for all I care.

eric_n_dfw

join:2001-10-22
Roanoke, TX

Re: Don't like them... Move to the rural areas.

Spoken like someone who doesn't care about the resale value of their home. I want the highest speed I can get too, but putting a cabinet the size of a refrigerator in front of your house is real estate suicide whenever you decide to move.

charter_hsd

join:2001-08-07
Calera, AL

Link to CommScope's webpage about the 52bp

Below is the link to CommScope's webpage about the 52bp: (CommScope produces the 52bp)

»cabinets.commscope.com/products/···52bp.asp

Regards.
jlk8

join:2001-12-12
Los Angeles, CA

More on 52Bs/52BPs

Gang:

As an RF engineer and attorney working for governments inside and outside of California on the Project Lightspeed/Uverse 52B issue, and based on representations made by AT&T in public forums, I'll add a bit of information to this mix.

First, 52BPs are--or are not--made available in a particular community based on factors known only to AT&T.

For example, in a Southern California community, AT&T said that only 52Bs would go in...that smaller cabinets were unavailable.

At a meeting of public officials in Northern California, AT&T said that they were only installing 52BPs.

Second, 52Bs are so temperature sensitive that they cannot be painted any color other than the two offered by AT&T.

Third, the anti-graffiti paint used by AT&T is good for about 3 wipe-downs; after that the cabinet has to be repainted. AT&T says that they will respond to graffiti within about 48 hours of notice, but will not commit to an obligation to remove graffiti if written into an ordinance.

Fourth, a serious consideration in siting the boxes is the need to comply with the federal ADA requirements, as well as protecting traffic and driveway sight-lines.

Fifth (and for California readers), our state environmental quality act [CEQA] applies to the installation of the 52Bs/52BPs and other elements of AT&T network that carry cable TV video. AT&T because subject to that review when they earlier this year they became the state's second State-issued cable TV franchisee.

In late June I gave a presentation on the 52Bs/52BPs at the League of California Cities policy conference. Much to AT&T's displeasure, I brought a 1:1 1/2" PCV tube model of a 52B, and delivered part of my lecture from within the model. If you'd like to make your own 52B model, the handout sheet I used at the League's meeting is available at my website, »www.TelecomLawFirm.com. Below that link is another to download a PDF of the "street furniture" lecture I presented at the SCAN NATOA conference in May, 2007. Verizon FiOS and Project Lightspeed photos are also found there.

Best regards,

Jonathan Kramer, Esq.
Kramer Telecom Law Firm, P.C.
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Re: More on 52Bs/52BPs

said by jlk8:

...Much to AT&T's displeasure, I brought a 1:1 1/2" PCV tube model of a 52B, and delivered part of my lecture from within the model.
That's a lecture that I'd love to see! Well done!
cajundsl
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It's the 21st century, roll with it.... :-)

Gee, all the SF I read as a kid had me expecting lots of worse stuff than ugly phone junction boxes by now (that's what you get for mis-spending your formative years reading Harlan Ellison and Robert Heinlein).

In fact, it's ironic - no one much in SF had the round lower equipment to predict we'd be walking around with mainframe-type computers folded up and carried under our arms like notebooks... and yet here we are and the gripe is that the price for data flows that would have put NORAD to shame back in the day (remember, SAGE and Missile Master would have been completely smoked by just one of the blade server modules in a modern network server room) is the presence every few blocks or so of "lawn fridges."

The situation's so strange that no SF writer worth his salt would have tried to write it into a story.