  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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kudos:2 | 100/100? "Using light waves to carry digital signals, Smithville’s new FTTH system will transmit data approaching the speed of light—about 186,000 miles per second—with upload and download speeds up to 100 Mbps."
Interesting comment they make. I can understand the "up to", but that's a bit of a stretch if they do not plan on offering upload speeds near 100Mbps.
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: 100/100? said by Rob:"Using light waves to carry digital signals, Smithville’s new FTTH system will transmit data approaching the speed of light—about 186,000 miles per second— with upload and download speeds up to 100 Mbps." Considering that electricity in a wire travels at close to the speed of light (with variations caused by the particular wire's propagation velocity) their PR hack might want to get more familiar with the product before writing such silly ad copy. There is certainly a higher benefit to hype besides this... 
Good to see the little guys out there holding class for how to do it right. Smithville has been unafraid to try new things for some time now. They are a local, privately held corporation and live where the serve, so they don't have to submit to Wall Street's quarterly floggings either. | |
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1 edit | Re: 100/100? Light traveling in a fiber optic cable generally travels at about 2/3's the speed of light. Electricity, depending on the specific medium, can approach the speed of light in a metallic cable. So fiber optics are actually "slower" than copper transmisions. | |
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Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: 100/100? Wouldn't single mode fiber (with a very narrow core) make light travel closer to c in said fiber? | |
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join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH | Actually light does travel at the speed of light in a fiber, the speed difference comes from the refraction of the protons off of the internal walls of the fiber which happens enough that it essentially increases the actual time it takes for the proton's to get from point A to point B which creates the illusion that light is traveling slower...essentially, the protons in a fiber don't take a direct route.
Electrons travel on the surface of copper at the speed of light and therefore are able to take the proverbial "as the crow flies" route so they get from point A to point B essentially at the speed of light.
Regardless, Smithvilles PR is written poorly. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: 100/100? I think you mean photons, not protons... | |
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kudos:1 | said by bac522:Actually light does travel at the speed of light in a fiber, the speed difference comes from the refraction of the protons off of the internal walls of the fiber which happens enough that it essentially increases the actual time it takes for the proton's to get from point A to point B which creates the illusion that light is traveling slower...essentially, the protons in a fiber don't take a direct route. The transceiver for proton internet would be pretty big and expensive, possibly ionizing and require extensive saftey precautions to be OSHA complaint. | |
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| | Nobody company Well look at that a no name company can do what the big boys can't and/or won't do. If that's not a reason for another break up of bells I don't know what is. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Nobody company There need to breakup the co's. Make the last mile, consumer based, so the resident owns the equipment. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Nobody company that wouldn't work because then youd have people say um I don't want to and hold up the whole neighbor hood | |
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| Re: Nobody company said by DarkLogix:that wouldn't work because then youd have people say um I don't want to and hold up the whole neighbor hood Not the point, A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation. | |
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| | | |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Re: Nobody company said by DaveDude:A last mile corp would offer to wire, or maintain the served area. The resident would lease the infrastructure from the corporation. There is nothing stopping any number of companies from doing that right now. I think the biggest hurdle is that its not really a viable business model at this point. The overwhelming majority of people are happy with their $20 DSL/Cable 'lite' tier, and if faced with the option of paying up to a few thousand dollars just for additional internet choices they wont do it.
The other major issue (as I have pointed out before) is that even assuming the entire neighborhood is wired, the nearest carrier hotel could be a few hundred miles away. The price for that longhaul circuit could easily run $50k or more (per month), depending on how rural the area is. Once you factor in the tremendous MRC the whole thing becomes a lot less palatable.
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Cortland, NY | 90 million Fiber-To-The-Home (FTTH) overbuild for all of its 30,000 residential customers in the south-central and southern part of the state.
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That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost. | |
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2 edits | Re: Nobody company And they obviously think it's worth it.
Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. That's not all that much time, especially for a technology that's probably going to be around for decades and still be fast enough. And the bigger customers (IE the ones doing 100/100) will probably be getting charged way more than $30/month.
If they do speed packages right I'm sure they will be able to steal tons of customers from any Cable, WISP or other competition they have with minimal trouble. Especially if the cable is TW | |
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| | | | | | Re: Nobody company If they may be planning to abandon the copper plant that will save money in the long run.
Plus they may start offering TV in addition to phone and internet. | |
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Jonesboro, AR | Re: Nobody company "Called Fiber-to-the-Home, Smithville’s all-new technology platform will give customers the ability to access the Internet, voice, and television and web based television services at a speed much faster than currently available to most residential customers anywhere in the United States—in rural or urban areas."
The press release announces that they are planning TV, phone and internet. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Nobody company Triple play bundles run around $100 to start, maybe $80 or $90 if it's really basic. Premium content and internet might edge the price up to around $150. $3k doesn't look so bad after all, especially when that's an alternative to people going elsewhere (to cable due to lousy DSL speeds, to cellular or cable for voice, to cable or sat for TV). It's a lot of new revenue due to the buildout... | |
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join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN | That is exactly what thye are doing. Not sure what there TV offering is going to be, they don't share much, but it is planned. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | ya $30/month would likely be a slower service
lets assume that they have a whole range of services and just to make it even with other offers out there lets say that their top pack is 100/100+TV+VoIP for $150 (ya just a random price but go with it)
lets say the averages endup being as though 50topend/50lowend
so lets say $90/month per house passed
so 2.7 years ROI
and as its fiber the biggest part of the cost is likely the fiber itsself so a greater speed upgrade would be easy | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Nobody company Yes, they are using the USDA Rural Development Loan program to help fund all this. Looks like it will be a GPON system from CALIX. | |
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| | | | | | said by DrModem:Also some math, if they charge $30/month it would take 8.3 years for each customer to have their base 3k share paid off. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you wouldn't do so well in a Finance 101 class. Your 8.3 year payoff doesn't take into consideration the cost of capital (i.e. the finance charge). Even at current interest rates, that's a significant amount of money. It also ignores the operating costs (both local & content) as well as installation & maintenance (truck rolls are expensive).
The good news is that you probably don't need a 8.3 year payback. Don't know what the standard depreciation schedule is for fiber in the ground, but I would imagine it's at least 20 years. That increases the financing costs, but reduces the monthly payment. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: Nobody company as for operating costs I'm sure they already have an ISP so this is a preexisting cost
and who knows how they paid for it there is the possibility that they had a money pool maintained for just this use (unlikely but its possible)
and also I would think when they said 90mill it was more than just equ (I would guess its Equ+labor+advertising+employee training+ect) | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | said by bn1221:That is 3 grand a pop (90million/30,000) JUST for phase one. That is a large capital cost. reasonable for a completely new system. cost is x2 or x3 as much as Verizon or AT&T. they don't quite have the buying or bargaining power of one of the entrenched telcos. | |
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We pay 3 to 4 times the price on a T1 that terminates in one of these little CLECs as apposed to a Bell or Verizon C0. In some cases I understand when the LEC is in the middle of no where with a small number of customers, but in most cases they gouge your eyes out simply because they can. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Nobody company Interesting...a T1 is ridiculously expensive back home in Fredericksburg TX where the ILEC is...you probably DIDN'T guess it...Verizon. | |
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| | | | | Re: Nobody company We pay a good bit under $500 for these LD Point to Point T1s that terminate in a major ILEC's CO. If you get the same into one of these small ILECs you can pay from $500 to $1500 depending on how strong their local monopoly is. | |
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| | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | Re: Nobody company said by battleop:We pay a good bit under $500 for these LD Point to Point T1s that terminate in a major ILEC's CO. If you get the same into one of these small ILECs you can pay from $500 to $1500 depending on how strong their local monopoly is. It is not uncommon to find small LEC DS1's running many thousands of dollars due to loop cost. Heck, even the LEC can charge a few grand just for the loop in a number of areas.....
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New York, NY | Re: Nobody company said by NYState :
Verizon I believe is a flat $250 per month for a T1 from the CO to customer in that CO anywhere in NY State. 100% false. Verizon's T1's are priced based on mileage, on both the wholesale and retail level. There are many places in NYS where a Verizon T1 (loop) is far more than $250, if one can even be delivered at all. | |
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Verizon I believe is a flat $250 per month for a T1 from the CO to customer in that CO anywhere in NY State. Pretty cheap compared to what an indie ILEC might charge. I've seen many indie ILECs that sell DSL in chunks of 256 kbitps as if its 1995. 1.5 DSL? $150 per month. $60 for 256kbitps. ISDN is suddenly seems cheap.
Last time I ordered a T1 from Verizon business in NY it cost about $900/mo for 1 year commit. | |
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| said by dcurrey:Well look at that a no name company can do what the big boys can't and/or won't do. If that's not a reason for another break up of bells I don't know what is. To be fair.. you might as well lump COMCAST with the telcos as well in their anti-competitive shenanigans! We're also talking about a twc competitor.. | |
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join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ | Could They Buy Qwest? WOW. Now if they could only leverage a purchase of Qwest and bring that doddering fool of a company into the 21st Century.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Could They Buy Qwest? said by dcurrey:If anything they would be setting themselves up to be purchased. What would a phone company go for that has already put fios in place. Have a PON network would be a disservice to any buying telco. Can't use USF $ on PON networks, only on POTS. Plus the beancounters say POTS maintenance is still cheaper, and PR will say it damages the companies reputation that only a tiny area has this fast speed, and Network Security will say a botneted machine on 100/100 is a spammers wet dream. | |
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| | Price??? 299?399? It wouldn't be for residential use
More like small business who need super fast connection and can afford to pay for it | |
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| | Well alright.... Oh this is very good news. Now if we could just get more broadband deployment out to the more rural parts of the country. Dedicated wireless and maybe even some fiber too. I know I'm being overly optimistic but that's the stuff that the future really is built upon. Dreams and optimism. | |
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|  ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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Michigan City, IN | Re: Well alright.... Which is all it is here in my neck of the woods. | |
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| | Who will be the first......? I wanna know who will be the first to offer true dual stream gigabit priced in a range reachable by current mid/top tier users.
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