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Snowden Gets 1 Year Temporary Asylum in Russia
by Karl Bode 04:31PM Thursday Aug 01 2013
According to the BBC, NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden has been granted one year temporary asylum in Russia. Snowden arrived in Russian on June 23, but has been stuck at the Moscow airport since as he applied for asylum with various countries. Meanwhile, Snowden's leaks continue to have massive ripples here in the States, new Snowden documents yesterday revealing the existence of NSA tools capable of tracking a user's entire existence online. Meanwhile the government yesterday released some declassified but heavily redacted documents ahead of a Senate Judiciary hearing on NSA power in order to pretend briefly they're interested in transparency and disclosure.


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Re: Snowden is a hero

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And that is your OPINION that is not shared by the USSC and FISC. But, of course, we should accept your OPINION and not the jurists whose job is deciding such things. I get a big kick out of all the posters that think they are constitutional experts with no training or experience in that field.



You're sadly out of your league here. It's not up to penny-ante activist judges, lobbyists, or political raconteurs to reinterpret the Constitution. The Constitution is what it is. Amendments are up for interpretation when they're ratified--if you have buyer's remorse, PASS ANOTHER AMENDMENT. But don't defend this extralegal bullshit thinly disguised as the judiciary.


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said by skeechan:

There is nothing in the Constitution that permits the federal government to go into private business and seize records wholesale.

And that is your OPINION that is not shared by the USSC and FISC. But, of course, we should accept your OPINION and not the jurists whose job is deciding such things. I get a big kick out of all the posters that think they are constitutional experts with no training or experience in that field.

The 4th amendment is pretty clear regardless, and you would have to be the most ignorant soul on the planet to believe what the government is doing is not in violation.

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He is no hero. A good writeup here tearing apart his self image in that regard

Actually, it is flawed on many levels. Both you and the author mistakenly attribute 'hero' as something Snowden feels about himself when he specifically said "I'm neither traitor nor hero. I'm an American." When you start out with misstatements, it's a given that you are already bucking reality. Marcus (the author) then chooses to compare him to MLK as if an act of civil disobedience is on the same legal level as a charge of espionage. 'He should stay and face the music like MLK did!' (paraphrased) Simply preposterous. MLK was deliberately breaking unjust laws... Snowden had to break the law to reveal unjust activity; big difference.

Marcus claims Snowden could have used alternative methods like the Whistleblower statute or going to Congress. Had she done the slightest bit of research, she would have known that the statute doesn't apply to the NSA. The only way to go to Congress without breaking the exact same laws he is currently accused of breaking would have been if he had gone to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where they already knew what was going on. The members that disapproved were already trying to warn us as legally as they could. Does anyone really believe anything could have come from that?

Marcus then takes her time machine ALLLLLL the way back to 399 B.C. because that's how far she has to go back to find an example of someone willing to accept injustice since it was the rules they agreed to live under. Unsurprisingly, Marcus seems to let the architects of this program slide on their violations of the fourth amendment... another rule we agreed to live under.

Sorry, but if this is what you consider a 'good writeup' I think Snowden is safely in Hero territory.


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If not for him, the whole world would be living on Fantasy Island. It's pretty chilling when a foreign country thinks it's just fine to spy on the rest of the world. USA used to point at China and complain, and now it's obvious China should be taking lessons from the USA.