So, When Do We Get A La Carte TV Channel Pricing? Someday the TV industry won't have a choice in the matter... We've spent a good part of the decade covering the debate over "a la carte" TV pricing -- or the idea of cable operators offering stand-alone channels to consumers. If you recall, the FCC first issued a report saying that the idea would result in higher prices for consumers, only to turn around a year later to issue a report that supported the idea. The idea has been championed and subsequently forgotten by politicians, much to the joy of cable operators, broadcasters and smaller TV channels -- who all know that consumers would happily pay less money for only a handful of channels. Of course broadcasters frequently sell channels in bundles to cable, satellite and telcoTV companies, so cable operators blame the lack of a la carte (as well as higher prices) solely on broadcasters. But with the entry of Apple into the subscription TV space, and the news that broadcasters would be willing to sell channels piecemeal, you may soon be finally able to yank those faith healing channels from your channel lineup once and for all. Speaking to the Wall Street Journal blog, Time Warner Cable says they're eager to buy smaller channel bundles from broadcasters the same way Apple will: "If Disney and CBS believe this is the model to embrace, its worth pondering whether theyll embrace that for all distributors," said Melinda Witmer, Time Warner Cables chief programming officer. . . "We take the blame all the time that consumers watch five channels but have to pay for 80. We have long sought the right to have more flexibility in packaging. Thats something programmers push back really, really hard on," she said. Don't be fooled however. Time Warner Cable doesn't want you buying individual channels any more than broadcasters do -- because you'd wind up paying less money. Smaller independent cable channels also don't want you buying channels a la carte, because many wouldn't survive. Ultimately, none of them will have a say in the shift to smaller bundles and a la carte channels, because while Internet video is little more than a gnat in cable's eye right now, added consumer choice will inevitably force open this aging pricing model wide open. Real, sustained competition is kind of a pain in the butt in that way. Right now, that hasn't happened because last mile broadband speeds continue to struggle, and many Internet video options have been lackluster. Apple obviously can't change the former, but they can certainly help the latter. A la carte channel pricing is inevitable, it's only a question of how many years, boardroom meetings, and stalling tactics you'll have to sit through by the broadcast and cable TV industry before it becomes a reality. The better the Internet video competition? The sooner it happens.
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 NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium join:2005-12-15 Forest Grove, OR kudos:1 1 edit | Way Over DueI say let them sell both the current overwhelming packages and a la carte, and let the customers decide which is right for them. If they want only a hand-full of channels or an overwhelming package deal with more than they can watch/utilize.
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|  |  IsItDoneYetBugger off already join:2009-07-11 Thunder Bay, ON | Re: Way Over Due I would have used the word underwhelming...
Lets go a la carte! $5 a channel even and my bill will be cut by 60%! -- Is this Peak Civilization? | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Way Over Due Um, sorry. Do you like ESPN? Or TNT? Or USA? Or FX? Those would end up costing you $15 each, not $5. Cable companies already almost pay $5 a month PER subscriber right now for ESPN. If ESPN lost 2/3rds of the people paying for it, guess what? Prices would tripple.
said by IsItDoneYet:I would have used the word underwhelming... Lets go a la carte! $5 a channel even and my bill will be cut by 60%! | |
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|  |  NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium join:2005-12-15 Forest Grove, OR kudos:1 3 edits | Re: Bridges, get your bridges here!!!said by Boricua65:And I have a few bridges to sell. I'll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately I have to agree... believe it when I see it. But with technical capability what is these days a la carte is still "way over due".
In the last month I've watched: CBS, NBC, local FOX, ESPN (all NFL/NBA, and local weather) CSN-NW (NBA), TNT (NBA) FOX News, FOX Business SciFi (Stargate 1 (SG1)) The Weather Channel when I just want a littl background noise. When the new season of Breaking Bad begins this spring I'll add AMC to the list again.
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|  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Bridges, get your bridges here!!! didn't SciFi become SyFy ? | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Bridges, get your bridges here!!! said by en102:didn't SciFi become SyFy ? Yes, but still the same channel. They just changed the name to try to go along with the whole "science fiction revival" a-la-Star Trek. Still the same channel. --
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|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Bridges, get your bridges here!!! said by jimbo2150:said by en102:didn't SciFi become SyFy ? Yes, but still the same channel. They just changed the name to try to go along with the whole "science fiction revival" a-la-Star Trek. Still the same channel. And that channel is patethic. Since when does wrestling have anything to do with science fiction? 
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| Re: Bridges, get your bridges here!!! I agree, what does wresting have to do with science fiction? There are a couple of shows on the ScyFy channel that I watch, the rest is pretty poor and most of it isn't even science fiction. The Learning Channel is the same way.
A La Carte channels would be a huge step forward, but I'd really like to see A La Carte programming! Why pay for a package just to get a certain channel and why pay for a channel just to get a specific program?
said by Boricua65:said by jimbo2150:said by en102:didn't SciFi become SyFy ? Yes, but still the same channel. They just changed the name to try to go along with the whole "science fiction revival" a-la-Star Trek. Still the same channel. And that channel is patethic. Since when does wrestling have anything to do with science fiction?  I remember to the good old days (duing the first half of the decade) they would have real science fiction. | |
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| Re: Dish Network said by tvtek:I remember when I was a supervisor with Dish Network back in 1999 the customer was able to pick through the list of channels vs subscribing to a complete package. If I can remember they had to choose a minimum of 10-20 channels. That was called DishPix, and originally, it was 10 channels for 10 bucks. Of course, back then, you had to buy your own receivers and pay for the installation. I remember the base price went to 15 bucks about a year later, and then it went away. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Dish Network said by elray:said by tvtek:I remember when I was a supervisor with Dish Network back in 1999 the customer was able to pick through the list of channels vs subscribing to a complete package. If I can remember they had to choose a minimum of 10-20 channels. That was called DishPix, and originally, it was 10 channels for 10 bucks. Of course, back then, you had to buy your own receivers and pay for the installation. I remember the base price went to 15 bucks about a year later, and then it went away. And you know, when asked why they don't offer it, they claim no customer demand for it... even when no one knows it existed. They never seem to advertise things like that (I never even heard of it until now). It's not that there is no demand for a-la-carte, it's that they don't advertise if they have it and today they don't even want to test it due to broadcaster's control. --
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|  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 3 edits | I still dont care! I stopped watching "live" tv years ago. Why would I want to spend 15min every hour watching commercials??!! Why would I want people constantly screaming at me to buy this and that car? WHY??????????!!!!!!!!!
I have been downloading every single thing ive ever wanted to watch to a file-server and watch it commercial free any time of the day or night as I please. I have total control of my entertainment and thats the way I plan on doing it for the rest of my life!
I have even taught those close to me to do the same. My mother can download all the tv shows she wants to watch and has OTA tv for her news.
I laff at people that would pay $100's for total lack of control of there entertainment. Ya sure, go get a DVR and pay for that too, but guess what? You STILL GET THE COMMERCIALS!!!!!! HAHAHAHA You still have a limited amount of storage space and your still a slave to what they want you to watch when they want you to watch it!
So until I can watch tv without commercials and pick any show I would possibly want to watch any possible time of the day, I say FU to the cable company's and satellite folks as-well. --
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|  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: I dont care still! TV, like Magazines, Newspapers are paid for by the advertisers. The 'OnDemand' model isn't cost effective yet.
I have my inlaws on OTA HD (+70 channels including subs in L.A.) | |
|  |  nonymousPremium join:2003-09-08 Glendale, AZ | So is this done legally? Do you download high quality? | |
|  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 2 edits | Re: I dont care still! No, who cares.
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by DaMaGeINC:I stopped watching "live" tv years ago. Why would I want to spend 15min every hour watching commercials??!! Why would I want people constantly screaming at me to buy this and that car? WHY??????????!!!!!!!!! I have been downloading every single thing ive ever wanted to watch to a file-server and watch it commercial free any time of the day or night as I please. I have total control of my entertainment and thats the way I plan on doing it for the rest of my life! I have even taught those close to me to do the same. My mother can download all the tv shows she wants to watch and has OTA tv for her news. I laff at people that would pay $100's for total lack of control of there entertainment. Ya sure, go get a DVR and pay for that too, but guess what? You STILL GET THE COMMERCIALS!!!!!! HAHAHAHA You still have a limited amount of storage space and your still a slave to what they want you to watch when they want you to watch it! So until I can watch tv without commercials and pick any show I would possibly want to watch any possible time of the day, I say FU to the cable company's and satellite folks as-well. So you illegally download stuff. nice. So companies are suppsoe to provide you entertainment for FREE? I swear since when do people think everything is supposed to be welfare? | |
|  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 1 edit | Re: I dont care still! BF69, Please dont start your morality BS with me. I dont buy anything from ad's anyway, so its not like they are going to make money off of me anyway.
You want to watch ad's and line their pockets with gold, be my guest.
Good night. --
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| Re: I dont care still! said by DaMaGeINC:BF69, Please dont start your morality BS with me. I dont buy anything from ad's anyway, so its not like they are going to make money off of me anyway. You want to watch ad's and line their pockets with gold, be my guest. Good night. I get a picture of alone in basement in parents house.
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|  |  |  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Re: I dont care still! Nope,
I live alone and have no money, so I do what I have to do to save money. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I dont care still! So having no money justifies theft? You are why my costs are constantly going up. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I dont care still! wait, you actually BELEIVE the BS that the media MAFIAA dishes out that theft causes higher prices? they're making fist fulls of money daily, look at how well the actors and executives are doing. theft of digital entertain is not the same as theft of a physical good. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 1 edit | said by IdiotH8RH8R :
So having no money justifies theft? You are why my costs are constantly going up. Its your money, why pay someone for something you DO NOT WANT. I am not going to pay money to watch AD's and have limited control of my entertainment. So keep throwing your money away. We are the consumers with the money, they should listen to what we want and give us something that's worth our money. If they cant do that, then I will get it anyway I can. -- I hate idiots and stupid questions. If you dont know something, figure it out the best you can, if that fails, then ask someone | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I dont care still! said by DaMaGeINC:said by IdiotH8RH8R :
So having no money justifies theft? You are why my costs are constantly going up. Its your money, why pay someone for something you DO NOT WANT. I am not going to pay money to watch AD's and have limited control of my entertainment. So keep throwing your money away. We are the consumers with the money, they should listen to what we want and give us something that's worth our money. If they cant do that, then I will get it anyway I can. It`s not theft. It`s copyright infringement. There`s a big difference. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I dont care still! said by sonicmerlin:said by DaMaGeINC:said by IdiotH8RH8R :
So having no money justifies theft? You are why my costs are constantly going up. Its your money, why pay someone for something you DO NOT WANT. I am not going to pay money to watch AD's and have limited control of my entertainment. So keep throwing your money away. We are the consumers with the money, they should listen to what we want and give us something that's worth our money. If they cant do that, then I will get it anyway I can. It`s not theft. It`s copyright infringement. There`s a big difference. It's still immorally and illegally getting something for nothing. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Re: I dont care still! What about OTA programing? Alot of the stuff I DL is on OTA. Thats something for nothing isn't it? | |
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| Re: I dont care still! OTA is an option, but it isnt viable for everyone. I tried with an indoor antenna and I was only able to get 1 OTA channes (PBS)... but I am glad that most OTA programming is freely available online!!! So I just get basic cable (I get more channels than advertised via QAM) and watch everything else on the Internet. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | You stopped being a "consumer" when you stopped spending your money.. Google is largely free, why don't you use it to look up some of these words you throw out there..
What you are, to be honest, is a thief.. don't try to justify it anyway to the rest of us because you won't chance our minds.. If you want to be a thief, then by all means, go for it.. don't try tellings the rest of us what's right or what's wrong..
If it's not "worth your money" then don't buy it.. but don't sit here trying to justify it to others at the same time as acceptable either... I'd tell you how I really feel, but the mods have a problem with me doing that. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Re: I dont care still! Your right! I am a thief. I copy 1's and 0's! Big whoop. Who cares.
When I need something, I buy it, but I would not buy something that I have no control of.
Would you buy a car that you could only drive from 9-5 and still have to buy the gas for it? -- I hate idiots and stupid questions. If you dont know something, figure it out the best you can, if that fails, then ask someone | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: I dont care still! said by DaMaGeINC:Your right! I am a thief. I copy 1's and 0's! Big whoop. Who cares. By your logic you could walk into a bank and steal all of the money there. After all it's just paper and not anything of value.
quote: When I need something, I buy it, but I would not buy something that I have no control of.
Would you buy a car that you could only drive from 9-5 and still have to buy the gas for it?
There are lots of things we buy that are subject to terms and conditions and sometimes limited use. I'm not pissed off I can't use my snow blower in summer or my lawn mower in winter. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | said by DaMaGeINC:Your right! I am a thief. I copy 1's and 0's! Big whoop. Who cares. It's ashame that people think like you.. Um, there is more than just 1's and 0's there bub.. there are, to be honest, lots of 1's followed by a lot of 0's and many other numbers that go in that equation preceded by a dollar sign that goes into producing those worthless 1's and 0's you steal...
Based on your analogy, those same 1's and 0's make up thinks like Microsoft's Windows program and apple's Leopard O/S too... those same "big woops" as you call them make up everything digital.. so in your way of thinking, anything that's digital should be free so long as you want to take it...
Ummm... in case you haven't noticed, just about EVERYTHING is going to those little 1's and 0's that are just "big whoop" to you..
I seriously am having a hard time comprehending your way of thinking,.. and why? ... because it's INCREDIBLY insane...
Would you buy a car that you could only drive from 9-5 and still have to buy the gas for it? And, would I buy a car that I could only drive from 9-5? ... well, it depends on the price, the terms, and if I felt it was a value to me or not...
... from simple minds come... (never mind)
News flash - you DON'T have control over everything you "buy".... something things you're not buying to keep.. read your terms... YOU don't always get to set them... and in this case, the case of pay subscription television, subscription being the key term, YOU DON'T OWN IT! You're paying for the right to use it so long as you are a subscriber.
If all of this is seriously your way of thinking, well, someone failed you somewhere... be it your parents, the school system, or someone else..
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Re: I dont care still! Ifs its something like the Windows OS, I buy that. I need it and use it. Its worth the money I spent on it. But this is not about Windows, Its about cable tv(insert any other here) and the monoply they have on a dieing business. -- I hate idiots and stupid questions. If you dont know something, figure it out the best you can, if that fails, then ask someone | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | said by DaMaGeINC:Nope, I live alone and have no money, so I do what I have to do to save money. You live alone, and have no money, but yet you still want what everyone else has to go to work for and earn the money to "have"... GREAT attitude!
... it certainly makes the rest of us honest, hard working Americans feel better that we go to work every day, earn an honest living, CHOSE what we are going to spend our money on so we can "have".. and our bills go up because the slackers and self appointed people out there can simply "take" what they want and justify it because "everyone else is fools"...
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 |  DaMaGeINCThe Lan ManPremium join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC kudos:2 | Oh and by the way. I steal the internet that I use to steal the 1's and 0's!!! | |
|  |  |  | | Re: I still dont care! said by DaMaGeINC:Oh and by the way. I steal the internet that I use to steal the 1's and 0's!!! The great thing is there will be more of this guy and less of you cable-tv subscribers in the coming years as cable-tv rates go skyward. What many don't understand is the lack of an evolution of the cable-tv business model into something more choice filled.. and a-la-carte packages is just the start of it.. the RIGHT to consume the programming as 1's and 0's is something from a tech standpoint is still within a massive walled garden. Just because you have 'digital cable-tv' doesn't mean the cable companies want you to "copy" the content and have ease of access to it. The cable companies (and now you can include the telcos in this logic sans qwest) follow the dictates of the entertainment industry who see content as a cash cow which will have to deal with the internet as a real threat to maintaining the status quo (yearly rate hikes, higher set-top rental fees, taxes & surcharges--aka franchise fees,etc, etc). If an evolution of the video industry doesn't bring video content prices down the way VOIP brought telco landline prices down, consumers will flip from one side of the argument to the other, much faster than they would have down the line. The handwriting is on the wall with internet data caps, higher internet pricing, and asymmetric broadband packages.. along with re-aligning of deployment/footprint geographies. No longer is 100% coverage with a fiber optic network or maxed out docsis 3 such an attractive idea to companies who are gouging the consumer for cable-tv serivce as the price of phone service keeps plummeting (unlimited cell phone service for $30-$50/month, and free google voip as examples). The only options left are to gouge cable-tv and then, by proxy internet access in any way they can to make up the lost revenue. Just understand, this is a neat balancing act-- because screw with the consumer too much, and these companies one and all risk losing the consumer altoggether for all 3 services.. or any which they subscribe to.
There is another aspect I wish to touch upon with repect to OWNERSHIP of this so-called content the cable-tv industry is selling/reselling. The fact is that most of this content is now in the hands of fewer and fewer corporate conglomerates. So, therefore we can be assured that what was a novel marvel of time wasting entertainment in the late 1970s which had very affordable rates ballooned into a multi billion dollar industry upon which more and more content becomes "MUST BUY" as opposed to "CONSUMER'S CHOICE" in a "TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT" proposition. Many threads in BBR and elsewhere in the disussion of these issues keep coming back to the conflict of interest between these greedy coporatations and the consumer.
So, to summarize... the more these greedy coporations keep pushing to get their hands on more of YOUR money.. the further consumers become the enemy by hunting & pecking out the specific content they want to watch & taking back control of video in much the way content producers provided it decades ago and at similar cost structure *when the cable-tv industry was new*. When I say consumers are/will be doing this.. you may not consider your self one of these yet.. but down the line.. remember this thread/comment/post... and see where you are when cable-tv basic hits $50, $75, then $100+ for BASIC CHANNEL LINEUP as your total bottom line price (including all fees). | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: I still dont care! You know, if you don't like the status quo, you can always go ahead and form your own production company and make your own content.
Content costs money for a reason, and that reason is that it is expensive to produce, and the costs keep going up. In this economy a lot of content producers are making less money and some are operating at a loss or break even. It's a gamble, especially when people freely share your content without paying you for it. So they look to leverage their agreements to make up for the shortfall.
The alternative, of course, is a lot worse - these companies could go out of business or lay off employees putting many people out on the street. You think that the entertainment/TV/film/music industry is only the big actors, movie stars and wealthy executives... dead wrong. There are many, many, many regular folks - working class, middle class and even lower income folks working in the industry making an honest living, not to mention all of the support industries - catering, location and equipment rentals, porta-potty rentals etc.
A feature film or TV episode has hundreds of people working on it, and if you add up all the people who stand to gain from it it is easily in the thousands. In contrast a guy making videos for break.com or youtube just has maybe one or two guys and a cheap video camera. One is a profession, the other is a hobby. NO comparison between the two. | |
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|  |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Re: you know what they'll say right? said by cpuwizkid:so you know what the cable companies will say and do right? i think they'll be more than happy to let us choose the channels we want, but then only make them SLIGHTLY cheaper than what we pay now and say "oh sorry consumers, the smaller bundles are cheaper but now it costs more for us to maintain these small bundles." insert money-making scheme here while bending over consumers... nothing to see here people... move on old bill for 250 channels -------- $59.99 new bill for only wanted channels: 17 channels @ $2ea video maintenance fee $24.99 well you get the idea -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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Cable Operators sign contracts for retransmission rights which include certain caveats. For example offering the HD version of their channel even though it's 480i upscaled such as QVC. Another example is the Discovery bunch. Have to take Discovery/History/TLC/Animal Planet and they all have to be sequential.
Currently depending on the retransmission contract offering a la carte would land the MSO in legal hot water. Here is where competition hurts us. If there were one national player that muscle could be leveraged to break these deals. But as it stands if one MSO or satellite operator picks a fight with a broadcaster another player steps in and then advertises that they carry the channel.
A la carte may raise prices on some channels but if you enjoy a lesser watched channel I bet you save money. | |
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 Mr Matt join:2008-01-29 Eustis, FL kudos:1 | If not per channel why not per classification?
I would very happy if I could save $20.00 per month by not subscribing to ESPN or other sports programming. I am not holding my breath for such an option to become available. | |
|  |  | | Re: If not per channel why not per classification? Whoa Dude I'm there. No ESPN or other sports programming. Sounds like a winner to me. Sign me up for no sports.
While were at it can we move all reality tv shows to channels just for reality tv. If we could do that then I could get rid of the Reality TV programming to.
These two things gone would be awesome. Totally AWESOME. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: If not per channel why not per classification? ABC/Disney will never go for that. They own ESPN. | |
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| Re: If not per channel why not per classification? Same here, nor am I a religious channel, sports, shopping network, reality show, sports, talk "news", rhetoric "news", or infomercial fan.
I'm about to drop DirecTV and just use Netflix for the following reasons.
No A La Carte programming.
Skyrocketing prices and poorer quality programming.
So much poor programming - almost everything seems to be turning into a "reality" show.
Too much graphics moving around the screen covering up the programming.
DirecTV's poor picture quality.
I'll pay more for the programs that I want, but don't want to pay for what I don't want. Paying only for what you want will send a strong message to the content creators and channels that decide put put their branding and promotions over the top of the program.
said by alkjfkljdkjf :
Same goes for me. I am not a sports fan. | |
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 | | Cable TV is Horrible First off can I say the whole bridge thats for sale joke is pretty tired. Enough already. Its actually as tired as me having to pay for 80 channels when I only need 10. Im cancelling my cable after the first of the year anyways. I now own enough movies and TV series on DVD to give me a much better program schedule than any cable company could ever offer me. EAT THAT TW!! And with the money I save ill be able to either buy more of the series I really like or rent from Netflix. | |
|  | | Could be possible I actually wrote up a simple concept business plan for this just 2 weeks ago that was 25 pages long. The key is that you sell packages of slots that you fill with the channels you want.
I'd love to show it to the right people, but I don't see it going anywhere. I made it a Twitter page just in case :P @CChoiceTV -- Ali Geos Communications Representative | |
|  | | Enough No Sports, No Religion, No Spanish, No Shopping, No Reality; that's for me. 1 Please .. | |
|  |  FisamoPremium join:2004-02-20 Apex, NC | Re: Enough So what's left? 
Sorry, couldn't resist! | |
|  |  | | Religion and Shopping are free | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Enough said by castsucks :
Religion and Shopping are free Not only are they free, but some providers are actually paid to carry shopping channels. | |
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| Paying less money quote: [Cable companies don't] want you buying individual channels any more than broadcasters do -- because you'd wind up paying less money.
I only watched 3 channels, for which Cablevision was charging me $54 per month. What would be a fair price for 3 channels, $10 or $15 per month? Well, of course Cablevision couldn't do that. So, I disconnected. Instead of getting $10 or $15 per month, Cablevision gets $0 from me. | |
|  |  | | Re: Paying less money said by Bobcat: quote: [Cable companies don't] want you buying individual channels any more than broadcasters do -- because you'd wind up paying less money.
I only watched 3 channels, for which Cablevision was charging me $54 per month. What would be a fair price for 3 channels, $10 or $15 per month? Well, of course Cablevision couldn't do that. So, I disconnected. Instead of getting $10 or $15 per month, Cablevision gets $0 from me. Sounds much like my experience with pay television and DirecTV. They offered everything from free 'premium' channels to many months of service at reduced rates. It took nearly a half-hour of saying "No Thanks" before the CSR would disconnect my service. | |
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 | | Won't happen Never will happen. Too many channels to turn on and off, and the niche channels will disappear. | |
|  |  johng1970God Told Me To Do ItPremium join:2003-10-13 Westlake, LA | Re: Won't happen I'd end up paying for 2 channels. That's the problem with their 'bundles', they require you pay for basic channels to get anything in the packages. Then, setup an ''Extended Basic" for the channels you actually want and make you buy CNN, ESPN, CNN2, ESPN2, HSN, QVC, MTV, etc. channels that they should give you a DISCOUNT for having because they're nothing but advertisement! Speaking of which, I should get a discount on my internet every time I get a spam message! -- God I hate Spam and Viruses! | |
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 JordanN join:2006-06-08 Fort Wayne, IN | Cable is Dying The way of the future is direct subscription to the video programs that you enjoy, "network" subscription to groups of programs, and subscription bundles through resellers.
There will be no more of other people deciding what you watch and when, and once a program is made, it is available for viewing indefinitely.
Advertisements are either skipped altogether, or embedded directly and permanently as part of the content, like the old time radio shows. One company would cover costs for a particular show, and their ads would be included for posterity. | |
|  | | They should use a la cart with discounts for channel groups What I think would be a good idea is for every cable subscriber to be able to select and deselect the channels they want online. Channel pricing would be a la cart but then you would be given discounts for selecting all of the channels with a given group and/or channels that are lacking viewers could be highly discounted; this would help save the lesser watched channels from being vanished.
For example: ESPN $2.99 ESPN2 $2.99 ESPN News $1.99 ESPN Classic $2.59 Get all 4 channels for $7.99/month
If the channels are priced and grouped in this way, it still encourages some lesser watched channels to be chosen yet we are still able to avoid paying for something we have absolutely no interest in such of Trinity Broadcast Network. | |
|  |  | | Re: They should use a la cart with discounts for channel groups said by microphone:What I think would be a good idea is for every cable subscriber to be able to select and deselect the channels they want online. Channel pricing would be a la cart but then you would be given discounts for selecting all of the channels with a given group and/or channels that are lacking viewers could be highly discounted; this would help save the lesser watched channels from being vanished. For example: ESPN $2.99 ESPN2 $2.99 ESPN News $1.99 ESPN Classic $2.59 Get all 4 channels for $7.99/month If the channels are priced and grouped in this way, it still encourages some lesser watched channels to be chosen yet we are still able to avoid paying for something we have absolutely no interest in such of Trinity Broadcast Network. Trinity Broadcast Network is free OTA in some areas.
also ESPN is priced like that for hotels | |
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 jsz0Premium join:2008-01-23 Jewett City, CT | The real reason it won't happen... A La Carte would really hurt TV advertising. More channels = more ad space = more targeted demographics for advertisers. It doesn't really matter that very few people watch them because it may be the people you really want to reach. Also with TV ratings not being an exact empirical science there's some wiggle room. Networks often do their own research that says whatever they want it to say about their networks viewership numbers and demographics. No one can really prove it wrong because no one actually knows the exact numbers. | |
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| Forced packages from the source Some of these channels are grouped up, so you can't get the disney channel if you don't get espn, and you have to pay for a dozen other crappy channels as part of the package which are only around to show reruns with ads all day long. I don't want disney, or espn, however they force everyone to pay for them since they force the carriers to pay for such a large group of useless channels.
They just need to group the right channels. If you want espn(the biggest waste of money out there), you get all the espn channels for a certain price, and maybe as part of a sports package with the other major sports channels.
Most of us would only have one to two dozen channels on top of our locals which we should still get for free, and we would see many of the garbage channels being taken off the air as nobody is willing to pay for them outside of them being forced into their package. -- My hourly rates: $25 per hour. $35 per hour if you want to watch. $45 per hour if you want to help. $75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed. $125 per hour if you called tech support, and didn't fix the issue while making things worse | |
|  | | There are systems out there with smaller bundles / some La c There are systems out there with smaller bundles / some La Carte.
In canadian cable systems / canadian satellite systems have channel packs / Theme packs. Some even have part a la carte as well. They all also let you BUY THE BOX or rent it.
direct tv for hotels does have some a la carte priced per room.
SKY TV UK and NZ has sports in It's own pack and in the UK ESPN UK is a add on as well.
I think that disney channel should be a payed add on like it was in the 80's and part of the 90's.
You should be able to buy your RSN and just have basic cable same thing for HBO, show, max, stars, epsn.
Also put epsn in a pack like HBO, show, max, stars is.
For cable likely there will some kind of a base fee / line fee that cover locals (clear QAM) and the costs of running the system that you need to pay. In most system HSI only is about the same price as limited basic + HSI. also has the free shopping and church / religious channels.
analog cable is dead so no need for traps. | |
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| I want a la carte pricing, but I'm not holding my breath I am all for a la cricing (per channel or per pack of channels) but the paytv companies are probably going to make folks to subscribe to a specific tier (maybe at a reduced price, but I doubt it). I only watch a handful of channels (locals mostly). I am a soap opera junkie, but I would have to pay $73/monthly for SoapNet (plus all those channels I don't care for), which is on the Digital Preferred tier. No way on earth I am going to pay that much for access to that one channel; I pay $13 now and that works for me. I rejoiced when I found out that ABC just mad all three of its soaps available for online viewing. I cna watch all 7 Soaps online on the network websites for nothing (just those pesky ads)... so I know I will NOT be subscribing to any higher ComCrap tiers anytime soon... If I was able to get OTA without the reception problems, I would be cable-less as well. | |
|  gballMaster YodaPremium join:2000-11-28 South Bend, IN | if i could choose my channels i would only have
syfy or whatever it is now
FX
spike tv
CW or whatever it is now that has Smallville on it.
my son cartoon channels..theres 2 of them but i dont remember the names..everything else can be dropped!! | |
|  |  | | Re: if i could choose my channels said by gball:i would only have CW or whatever it is now that has Smallville on it. You May be able to get wgn 9 where you are if you have a good OTA | |
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