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St. Louis Park, MN still believes solar-powered Wi-Fi could work one day
09:53AM Saturday Jun 14 2008 by KathrynV
tags: legal · business · wireless · alternatives · trouble · municipal
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St. Louis Park, Minnesota announced an ambitious plan about a year and a half back to build the nation’s first solar-powered Wi-Fi network. The plan suffered multiple delays due in large part to problems between the city and Arinc, the company chosen to build the network. People in the area have been wondering how the network will play out. At the end of 2007, the city said that Arinc had defaulted on its contract with failure to build out the network. The two parties had been in negotiations ever since.

However, negotiations didn’t go well and St. Louis Park has filed a lawsuit against Arinc seeking close to $2 million in damages plus the removal of the equipment that Arinc had installed throughout the city. Arinc insists that the company met its contractual obligations by installing this equipment despite the fact that the equipment didn’t work. The city has indicated that it’s still considering setting up a solar-powered Wi-Fi network but needs to think carefully about how to proceed.

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Skeedatl
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Oh...you wanted it to work...

...well that costs extra.

Hehe

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Re: Oh...you wanted it to work...

said by Skeedatl See Profile :

...well that costs extra.
Who wrote the specs?
Maybe it was put up as required, but was a bad design.
If Arinc made the desige, then sue.
If Arinc did not, but only built per someone else's design, don't sue.

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June 16th, @11:41AM

Re: Oh...you wanted it to work...

Arinc, in their infinite wisdom put the solar panels in the shade. »Solar Wi-Fi Service Won't See Light of Day

This isn't an instance of the network just not being as fast or cheap as the city had hoped. It wasn't installed correctly.

HEDP

join:2008-04-27
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Hmm

Are they trying to say that they installed damaged equipment? Or are they trying to say that the equipment was installed but there was no way to configure or provide a pipe to those access points, even though the city insisted on having them installed.

Which is it?

gaforces
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Re: Hmm

They setup the solar panels where there was no sun.
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Re: Hmm

said by gaforces See Profile :

They setup the solar panels where there was no sun.
lol that was stupid.

HEDP

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Miami, FL

The city or the company?

Because if the city was pressuring the company to have them be placed in specific locations and ignoring any warning from the company deploying them, then pretty much the city can go screw themselves.

If it was the company, well hopefully they will be put out of business for their stupidity. Who ever decided though, he or she was a jackass.
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Re: Hmm

said by HEDP See Profile :

The city or the company?

Because if the city was pressuring the company to have them be placed in specific locations and ignoring any warning from the company deploying them, then pretty much the city can go screw themselves.

If it was the company, well hopefully they will be put out of business for their stupidity. Who ever decided though, he or she was a jackass.
The city built (paid a contractor) and owns the network, then leases it to a operator (maintence costs, monthly costs of various kind, and customer service/tech support costs).
kaila

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I know wi-fi has it's limitations.....

but just who are these companies that accept millions and either don't deploy anything or as in this case, deliver a non-functioning system.

Yes I know there are lots of considerations and variables for large scale mesh type deployments. But it's not rocket science, and there are many large universities and other municipalities with successful systems.
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Re: I know wi-fi has it's limitations.....

said by kaila See Profile :

but just who are these companies that accept millions and either don't deploy anything or as in this case, deliver a non-functioning system.
They usually contract with the Department of Defense and make huge contributions to elected official's campaigns.
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Re: I know wi-fi has it's limitations.....

well at least the people that subscribed to the email through parkwifi.com can keep that address for 3$ a month or 30$ a year what a disaster.

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You are correct in stating that there has been several articles written here that says (insert your town) has some sort of difficulty in setting up a wifi network with (insert the non delivering company). Why do these cities and towns sign up and give these companies millions when they are doomed from the start?
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Re: I know wi-fi has it's limitations.....

Because municipal Wi-Fi networks sound like a great idea on paper- and come on, while past networks have had problems (our company) swears that we will be able to overcome them, so please give us that contract.

Rory Conaway

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The company should have hired real engineers

They are no different than most wireless companies from the smallest 1-man operation to Earthlinkg. Instead of having real RF or Electrical engineers analyze the install, they simply assumed they were the experts based on what the manufacturers told them (like they don't have an agenda), and assumed it would work. They all fail because they all think they are smarter than degreed engineers. They think that becuase they took a 1 week training class, passed a manufacturer test, and got a certificate that says engineer, they are experts. They are idiot technicians who give the wrong information to business management and sales people who believe them. The results are massive Wi-Fi failures from Philadelphia on down.

They all could have worked and avoided utter failure by simply having a real engineer analyze the specifications. They would have told them it wasn't going to work. Either there isn't enough sunlight, not enough antenna gain, etc... Either way, I fear that everyone who buys an AP fro Fry's Electronics is still going to think they are experts. To quote a great man, Red, from "That 70's show", "Dumb a$$". If you want to know how to set up networks that work, check out our website www.triadwireless.net.

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Re: The company should have hired real engineers

Says the anonymous self-serving poster.
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Re: The company should have hired real engineers

First, if my website is not on there, it's not really anonymous. Obviously you didn't read the whole thing. Second, engineers calculate things out "BEFORE" they install something to see if it will meet specifications. Maybe Earthlink and Metrofi would have saved all that money instead of doubling the number of AP's they eventually needed if a real RF engineer told them they can't hit a laptop at 600' through 2 buildings and trees.

As for the anonymous part,

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