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disagree.
In every TOS there is a reasonable use clause. something to the effect that the connection cannot be abused. But then this begs the question and leaves open for interpretation, "what is reasonable use". One person's reasonable for a month is another's reasonable for a day. By defining a cap, they are giving everyone a very clear and technical understanding of what is considered "reasonable". | |
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| | | | Re: Well, almost... Wow. Thats like the cable company coming into my house and shutting off the tv because I watched the star trek and star wars marathon but my neighbor didn't. "Your not allowed to watch tv for 24hrs straight, our business plan clearly states; users must sleep 8hrs/day!"
get lost... take the toilet paper your TOS is written on with you. | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: Well, almost... Well the only thing AT&T has proven is this; compressing HD to 19mbps results in crappy video that cannot be called HD from a visual perspective. | |
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| | | | | More like, you're using poorly engineered splitters or devices that are injecting noise back into the cable system, causing your neighbors to complain about their signal quality. | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Caps Of course its about protecting legacy video revenues.
Sonic has no caps. Sonic also doesn't have video to protect.
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Oh YES! let me drop everything i'm doing regardless of who it affects to deal with your petty little problem! | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Caps said by dvd536:Of course its about protecting legacy video revenues.
Sonic has no caps. Sonic also doesn't have video to protect.
And for the most part, Sonic uses infrastructure from AT&T & Verizon for their connections to homeowners. | |
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| | | | Re: Caps Yes but not all of their network. Sonic is a reseller/wholesale provider of the last mile or even where they don't have their own network; they're still connected to the T network just having an ATM circuit feeding their PPoE server. | |
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|  IowaManPremium
join:2008-08-21
Grinnell, IA | Same with most Independent DSL providers. Windstream as well  | |
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| | | If Sonic came to Maine I would probably just drop Slime Warner. | |
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| comcast doesn't use caps for congestion management And Dane knows it.
I know Dane's a good guy, but he's used the cap card to beat on his competitors before. I clearly remember the day he (Dane/Sonic) disconnected a sub who used 80% of his potential DSL (6M) pipe in a month. Because he was costing Sonic more than he paid in backhaul.
Funny that Dane can't remember that.
But anyway, beat that dead horse.
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| | | Re: comcast doesn't use caps for congestion management I'm sure that--just as with all of us--everything he believes now is what he's always believed. I mean, I still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy... yep, always have, always will.
"Many is the man who can change his shirt but can't change his mind."
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|  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus
join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | As an internet reseller ISP, he gets screwed in the butt by the Tier1 ISPs that unfairly charge him by the byte when their costs are not based on usage.
If the Tier 1 ISP did not screw over internet resellers then they would not care at all about usage.
Internet resellers are victims of the 'per byte' game just like us end consumers. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: comcast doesn't use caps for congestion management and just like us end consumers, is protesting with their wallet as ineffective because they can get government to shield them? | |
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| | | said by JohnInSJ:And Dane knows it.
I clearly remember the day he (Dane/Sonic) disconnected a sub who used 80% of his potential DSL (6M) pipe in a month. Because he was costing Sonic more than he paid in backhaul.
Funny that Dane can't remember that.
But anyway, beat that dead horse.
I don't think he will remember that because its inaccurate.
I believe the disconnect was initiated by ATT, and there was a thread about it here.
Furthermore I don't believe they have ever disconnected one of their own users on their network, ever. | |
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| | | | Re: comcast doesn't use caps for congestion management T would have NEVER disconnected the customer as Sonic would be paying ATT for the ATM pipe to the ATT DSLAM and to Sonic's PPoE Server/RADIUS. So it would actually be Sonic that would have killed the customer. ATT would have not really been able to see anything. | |
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If memory serves it violated a contractual obligation with ATT.
I wasn't there personally but I don't see why they would lie about it.
Furthermore, nobody has ever been kicked off a non-legacy ATT connection. | |
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| | | | | | Re: comcast doesn't use caps for congestion management thats why i said that 3rd party ISPs run their own circuits to ATT's DSLAM "cloud" and then to their own network. chances are something more happened than what Sonic or T was saying (probably more on the Sonic side). | |
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| | caps There may be a reason to have them, but its still bad for people who can't afford both, or just don't watch tv at all or enough to warrant the price and would rather get the same things thru the internet instead. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Dane Jasper for President Dane is a good guy and an astute businessman with real no nonsense, back to the basics approach to providing services and customer service.
said by chex383:I love this guy so much.
Amid a industry filled with cynicism, greed, sloth and pure laziness, this guy is a shining beacon in the fields of Mordor.
Dane for Pres in 2012!! 
-- Stefan, dealing with the worst capping you can imagine in Canada..
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WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | Build your own All of the 3rd party ISPs are welcome to build their own last mile networks and then cap or not cap.
Many do not really do anything but sells and billing. AT&T does all the work and service. When there is a problem it gets reported as a line problem so the network company goes out and determines if it is a user problem or the network problem. That saves the 3rd party a fortune in vehicles and payroll for techs.
Not saying AT&T does a great job providing internet service but streaming has changed that world. The DSL world was set up for e-mails and static web pages not streaming. The customers have put much greater demands on the system but not much more revenue is coming in to upgrade the system to handle the streaming video data. | |
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| | | Re: Build your own said by WhatNow:All of the 3rd party ISPs are welcome to build their own last mile networks and then cap or not cap.
Many do not really do anything but sells and billing. AT&T does all the work and service. When there is a problem it gets reported as a line problem so the network company goes out and determines if it is a user problem or the network problem. That saves the 3rd party a fortune in vehicles and payroll for techs.
Not saying AT&T does a great job providing internet service but streaming has changed that world. The DSL world was set up for e-mails and static web pages not streaming. The customers have put much greater demands on the system but not much more revenue is coming in to upgrade the system to handle the streaming video data.
AT&T's copper lines were built with taxpayer funds decades ago. You're making excuses for them. "Greater demands" have always risen alongside dropping bandwidth costs. Technology advances and routers/switches have become exponentially faster. | |
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| | | said by WhatNow:The customers have put much greater demands on the system but not much more revenue is coming in to upgrade the system to handle the streaming video data.
Last time I checked, AT&Ts profits have been fairly healthy the past few years. They could easily afford to upgrade their network, yet they don't... | |
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