 iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... ...but hey, if they're okay providing AT&T-based DSL at this rate, and ADSL2+ plus unlimited local+LD phone service for $40 per line per month (probably around $50 after telco junk fees), I'm rooting for them. | |
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 | | | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... they make their money on their Next gen networks. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... Which are? | |
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| | | | | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... their ADSL2+. they cut ATT out of most of it and profit more of what they put in. they no long rely on their DSL network. | |
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| | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... But on that networ they sell uncapped DSL with an unlimited phone line for the same price as an ATT based 6M DSL line after promos expire. They also have to pull infrastructure into the COs and rent the last mile from ATT... | |
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| | | | |  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9 | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... said by iansltx:But on that networ they sell uncapped DSL with an unlimited phone line for the same price as an ATT based 6M DSL line after promos expire. ...
Pretty sweet deal, egh?
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| | | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Not sure how Sonic makes money on this... This is why someone needs to do what you guys are doing here in CO, though I'd be left out since I'm fed of of an RT :/ | |
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| | Who has this Service? Elite (6 Mbps/ 768 kbps) Really people still use this? DSL is the new dial up from what i see... | |
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| | | Re: Who has this Service? I'd pay for it. Most of my neighbors can't get anything but satellite or dialup. I get 1.2 Mbps for $54.90 monthly. | |
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| | | | Re: Who has this Service? independent connection to the Co that you don't share? LMAO! that is sooooo 1999 marketing for DSL. ALL Internet is shared. DSL is just at the DSLAM. Cable as at the Node. you can load more customers than both can handle and regardless of the technology you'd still slow down. Stop spreading the lies about DSL being dedicated. the only thing that is is the loop and the same can be said about T1 so why aren't people buying those for their homes? | |
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·Mediacom
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| Re: Who has this Service? said by hottboiinnc:independent connection to the Co that you don't share?
pay attention where it stops: as I said CO (or DSLAM). Officially dsl line is your own connection not shared between your neighbors. Thats not just marketing gimmick. Its on CCNA study manuals.
I think you meant private line which is used to connect offices in separate locations that can be miles away. | |
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| | | | "Well, you have independent connection to CO which you don't share with neighbors."
Too bad you can't seem me rolling my eyes..... | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Who has this Service? Many DSLAMs have gigabit coming into them. Maybe 2xgigabit. I guarantee you that no cable system has that much capacity reserved for internet for a given system. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Who has this Service? said by iansltx:Many DSLAMs have gigabit coming into them. Maybe 2xgigabit. I guarantee you that no cable system has that much capacity reserved for internet for a given system.
I agree with this. My parents had a business DSL line from Bellsouth for years, and it literally pegged the same test speed for 2 years no matter what time of day.
My cable can be 5 times as fast, that is true, but it can also be slower as well.
Just my observation. | |
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| | | | cramer
join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7 | said by iansltx:Many DSLAMs have gigabit coming into them. Maybe 2xgigabit. I guarantee you that no cable system has that much capacity reserved for internet for a given system.
Except for the line-powered remote DSLAMs deployed in many rural areas.
And I'd bet most cable system CMTS's (aka head ends) have one or more 10G interfaces in them. A fully loaded Cisco 10k would exceed 2Gbps; if there are DOCSIS 3 line cards in it, it will greatly exceed dual 1G links. | |
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| | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Who has this Service? Out of that number of Gbps though, how many channels on the coax side are reserved for data? I'd guess 4-6, which is a far cry from the capacity of a typical DSLAM... | |
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join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7
1 edit | Re: Who has this Service? Cisco DOCSIS 3 gear... 20 down, 20 up x 8 line cards (160 / 160) or 74 down, 60 up x 8 cards (576 / 480)
Note: distribution is through various RF switching gear to each node, so only a dozen (+/-) channels appear on a customer facing coax cable. thus each headend can support ~100 nodes. Or put another way, there is a fantastic amount of bandwidth in the fiber part of the HFC network -- seeing as the CMTS's are in a datacenter.
See also: Cisco PDF | |
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| | | | | | They may have a gigabit port but that does not mean that they are going to always backhaul a gigabit between COs. There are many COs out there that backhaul on multi linked T1s or fractional DS3s. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Who has this Service? Sure, however if you're talking about urban deployments of ADSL2+ this is less likely to be the case. | |
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| | | | bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Yeah sure..fiber fed. Frontier feeds a 48 port DSL remote with 3 T1s. And then they sell 3 or 6 Mbit DSL off that remote. | |
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| | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Who has this Service? There are other providers that really do feed a 48port DSLAM with a gigabit o two *shrugs* | |
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| | | | I have a local WISP that supplies service. No cable or dsl here. We're 7 miles or so outside of town. | |
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| I would take that over Comcast any day. I love my AT&T Elite service. I pay 30$ a month for it. 6Mbps is not slow by any means. I can stream HD Netflix and even 1080p videos from Zune. If Sonic.net was in my area, I would get another line and do load balancing between the two. | |
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| | | | Re: Who has this Service? 6megs is slow compared to anything faster regardless of the cap. I bet I could put my 15/2 connection next to your 6meg and still blow you away and you'd notice the difference. | |
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| Re: Who has this Service? Never said I would not noticed the difference. I also have a 10Mbps DSL line and love it even more than my AT&T DSL line. If AT&T offered faster speeds, I would get it. I was just stating that 6Mbps is not slow. Also, AT&T is far better for gaming in term of latency here in my area compared to Comcast, which you don't need all that speed anyways. | |
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| | | | | 15/2! Slow down there, speed demon! | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | While we're comparing di...erm...internet speeds, let me waltz over across the street and pull down some random data at over 400 mbps on a gigabit connection... | |
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| | | | | | Re: Who has this Service? But it's 15 down! | |
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| | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Who has this Service? But my service is 16 down! | |
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| Re: Who has this Service? said by iansltx:But my service is 16 down!
Are you for serious?! That's even(1 more I think) faster than 15! | |
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| | | |  Kniveton
join:2001-09-20
San Francisco, CA | said by iansltx:While we're comparing di...erm...internet speeds, let me waltz over across the street and pull down some random data at over 400 mbps on a gigabit connection...
Yes and let me drive down to my datacenter and pull down data over my 10Gb/s links.. lol
Then I will drive home and use my 1.5M/768k $40/mo cyberonic DSL for my mail/web server. Actually I got a cable modem for my in home wifi and still have my dsl for the 5 static IP's. At some point soon after IPv4 runs dry, $40/mo is going to be a bargain, just for the addresses.... | |
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| | | | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: Who has this Service? Not sure about v4 running dry just yet for smaller ISPs. Sure, you can't get /8s anymore but smaller allotments should be easier to come by.
That said, agreed on the IP space side of things, though at some point 768k up won't be enough to do anything useful. Will be quite awhile before that happens though. Maybe 5-10 years. | |
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| | | | | said by hottboiinnc:6megs is slow compared to anything faster regardless of the cap. I bet I could put my 15/2 connection next to your 6meg and still blow you away and you'd notice the difference.
Until you get a call from the cable company and get disconnected for "abuse".
DSL works and customers do not get harassed. My 6 Mbit DSL has worked for many, many years with no issues. The same usage pattern could not be supported by my Comcast solution and I got calls during their non disclosed 250 GB data cap. My brother got disconnected for a year.
DSL works, cable blows goats. | |
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| | | I have the At&s' 'Elite' DSL. My choices are At&t, Charter, or dialup where I live. I had Charter for several years and they kept bumping up the rates and refused to negotiate until after I'd quit them. Finally gave up and went to the other broadband option, At&t. So far (for 3yrs) At&t has demo'd better customer service and consistent throughput. Sure, I'd like FIOS, or an 'honorable' cable provider, but this market is not a big money area. | |
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| cramer
join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7 | Yep. And even slower... My Bellsouth DSL is 6/512 (7616/512 currently) and the TW cablemodem is 8/384. Yes, 3-f'ing-84 up -- the same it's been since they took the very first order in 1997(?) (it was 3/384 then.)
Depending on where you are, everything is the new dialup. Or it costs 100$/month for service that meets the FCC's current (still lame) definition of broadband. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | 1. It's $20 for the first 12 months.
2. My parents couldn't even get 6M if they wanted to (they do). 1.5M is as much as the lines can handle. No cable. | |
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| |  rawgerzThe hell was that?Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA | Re: Who has this Service? Sounds like you got them hooked on it now | |
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| | | said by MTBikerChris:Elite (6 Mbps/ 768 kbps) Really people still use this? DSL is the new dial up from what i see...
Better than the capped harassment full connections from Comcast. | |
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| | DSLX Has ALWAYS had the "supplier charge" in the bottom line. NOTHING new with them. They claim its a tax that ATT charges them and customers pay it regardless of their ISP and its listed as a tax. | |
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| cramer
join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7 | Re: DSLX If it's a resold DSL line, then that "tax" may very well be the only profit they make off you. Years back, I looked at the margin on Covad resold lines... depending on speed (all SDSL) we cleared between $5 and $8 per line. That means we lost money most of the time -- if it takes more than ~30min to troubleshoot *anything*, that pittance is gone. (DSL on our own gear was very highly profitable.) | |
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join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA | Please come to Washington You'll find lots of customers here. | |
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| | | Re: Please come to Washington they're local to Cali for a reason. They don't wanna be a HUGE company like ATT and DSLX. Customer Service goes down hill then. Look at DSLX. They became Ikano and the next thing you know you- below the line fees get added and they get the attitude of ATT. | |
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| | Sonic rocks We just switched to their uncapped ADSL2+/POTS line a month ago here in SF. We used to get ~5mb on our AT&T regular ADSL, and now get close to 12mb. It really screams.
I cannot say enough good things about Sonic. They took a very smart, pragmatic, and methodical approach to deployment. And so far it is working well for them. If you can get them in the Bay, don't just walk away from ATT/Comcast - RUN SCREAMING IN JOY to Sonic. Really. They are a great ISP.
I'm proud to spend my money with a REAL local ISP, that is affordable and works well. | |
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| | | Re: Sonic rocks After reading these forums I just ordered sonic fusion last night. Currently I have dsl from ATT that I am getting 6/512 on. | |
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