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join:2004-10-11 | Compared to Bell and Videotron upsteam speeds, 2Mbps = WIN
Ya, that's how sad the state of broadband is in Canada... :S
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| Re: Compared to Bell and Videotron upsteam speeds, 2Mbps = WIN said by adisor19 :Ya, that's how sad the state of broadband is in Canada... :S Adi It's about the same where I live. 30/2 is the highest tier I can get from the cable company. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Compared to Bell and Videotron upsteam speeds, 2Mbps = WIN Except SEBB charges more and caps you, if I recall correctly? | |
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1 edit | Hmm.. Ya, it's Copper-Pair Technology, but at least they're trying. I haven't seen anyone else offer these speeds and charge a decent amount for it over existing copper pair.
A big "Thumbs Up" for these guys. If I lived there, I'd have their service. | |
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  maartena Stacked. Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA | Bummer Not available in my Orange County location. (AT&T territory).
I guess i'll stick with my 15/2 Roadrunner connection. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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 |  raye Premium join:2000-08-14 Orange, CA | Re: Bummer Unless TWC lousy in your area why switch? 15 Mbps little difference and you will lose upload speed because of increased overhead at 30 Mbps.
Yeah I live in AT&T/TWC duopoly as well. 1.5 Mbps upstream on AT&T sucks which is why I have TWC. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Bummer You don't lose upload speed due to overhead at 30 Mbps. Even if you did, Sonic offers 2 Mbps uploads all the way down to 3 Mbps. | |
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| Re: Bummer That still doesn't make it available to me. 
Apparantly, I am about 13500k from the CO, which pretty much means no one (besides the cable company) can offer me great upload speeds using copper.
I have 15/2 now, I was just hoping that providers like SONIC were able to put in their own DSL nodes closer to my house and thus offer better service..... but alas.
I can get uVerse though.... -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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| Sonic.net does a lot right One of the great things about sonic is that when issues do arise (and on copper they do seem to arise), you aren't forced to navigate some tree that seems designed to foil your attempts at getting resolution, or deal with techs that give you that deer in the headlights so strongly you can see it through the phone ... nobody is perfect, but sonic really does a lot right. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless  | |
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| Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless Although Sonic uses AT&T copper, they are a CLEC and have their own equipment at the CO. Thus their Fusion product isn't a wholesale reselling of AT&T DSL circuits, although they offer that as well.
Additionally, Sonic's AUP allows servers. Try that on a residential cable account. Another big advantage of Sonic over AT&T is their customer service with local folks that know what they're talking about. | |
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| Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless it is a worthless product. It depends on copper.
When ATT started shoving out VDSL this board was pissed off. this company does it and people are sooo happy to have them.
This company is a sinking ship and will be. ATT will kill them when they take out the Copper.
I can run servers on my residential cable. NEO doesn't care. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless TWC "doesn't care" but it's against their TOS.
As far as copper goes, when AT&T rolls out fiber they roll out fiber. Where they have copper it'll be a LONG time before they overbuild fiber. Sonic is using the copper because it's there... | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless NEO says that i can host a server as long as its for personal use. NEO does what they want and doesn't care. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless What's your upload speed? | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless You could go from zero to fiber directly, however it's expensive, and if you can get 30/2 out of DSL for a good number of customers for less than $1000 per home, why not? | |
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| The TA1996 was there to GIVE the companies a line to use WHILE they built their own network. After all THESE SAME COMPANIES DID NOT build out like they were required to and now whine and cry when something gets changed.
And starting some where? ADSL? Com'on a worthless product. | |
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1 edit | Re: Ehhh. Copper---reseller---worthless No NOTHING stopped the ISPs from building out. They waited until the last minute to worry about anything. That's when they were told line share would be SOL within the XX amount of time the FCC gave it.
Now they want to build out. It shows that when you let them leach off the actual provider's network they'll do it until they can't and then still do.
RTs are the way to go for ATT's network.
VZ just needs to keep building out FiOS and kicking more and more ISPs out. Hell DSLX will be off their network soon. | |
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3 edits | Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... I have stated this before about this deployment and while this is a great development for Sonic.net - this is not so great news for all of us served by Sonic.net - myself included. Unfortunately Sonic.net Fusion products are limited to AT&T CO deployments and can not be deployed on Remote Terminals (RTs). So for those of us provisioned on an ATT RT and are more than 11K from the CO, we are out of luck.
Kudos to Sonic.net for providing this service, but like any technology there are limitations. I am extremely happy with the service I receive (6Mb/768) from Sonic.net. However since I am over 11K from the CO and less then 2K from my RT my next upgrade is either ATT U-Verse or Comcast. I would love it if Sonic could provision Fusion out of RTs, but alas they can not.
If you are considering this option Sonic.net support will tell you how far you are from your RT or CO. For those who can get it, this is a nice alternative. Congrats to Sonic.net. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... Are you sure that the pair bonded service, albeit at lower speeds, can't be deployed farther than 11K feet from the CO? I'd think that 12/2 would carry just as far as 6/1, and 6/2 as 3/1, etc. | |
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2 edits | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... Pre-qualification tool states I am out of range and I have confirmed this on the phone with sales and tech support.
Also I am around the corner from my RT and I am provisioned on the RT at 6Mb/768. I am over 11K from the CO, if I were provisioned from there I would barely get 1Mb. (Would have to verify the exact speed, but it doesn't make sense considering 6Mb/768 from the RT).
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@cox.net | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... The company's owner is a member of this site, and seems like a nice guy.
Perhaps if you PM him, they can just put you at a "best effort" option. I am quite sure with bonding you could double your current speed. | |
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join:2001-08-24 San Jose, CA clubs: | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... This has been already discussed in the Sonic.net Forum.
Here is the reply where Dane states the 11.1K limitation. »Re: Feeling "left out" in San Jose.... | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | your on an RT which will kill you from ever having the service. ATT could go around and put everyone on RTs and kill them over night.
ISPS and CLECS are NOT allowed to have access to the RTs. | |
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join:2001-08-24 San Jose, CA clubs: | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... Yes I know I am on a RT and I is why I said 11K from the CO not the RT  The RT is why I am getting 6Mb/768 today.  | |
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join:2004-11-18 Windsor, CA
2 edits | Re: Again as long as you are within 11K of CO... What would be revolutionary is getting decent copper speed to go farther, not just faster.
Sure fiber is the future in the urban setting, but rural users are still left out of the loop. It would be great if sonic (and other indy telcos) would also focus on new technology that will benefit those of us that are out of cable/fiber/dsl range. | |
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| I said the RT is what kills you from having any service expect what ATT offers you.
IF ATT was smart they'd start deploying RTs like mad along with U-Verse services. They expand their coverage and can convert more customers over to them. a Win Win for them. | |
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| said by Dan2112 :I have stated this before about this deployment and while this is a great development for Sonic.net - this is not so great news for all of us served by Sonic.net - myself included. Unfortunately Sonic.net Fusion products are limited to AT&T CO deployments and can not be deployed on Remote Terminals (RTs). So for those of us provisioned on an ATT RT and are more than 11K from the CO, we are out of luck. Kudos to Sonic.net for providing this service, but like any technology there are limitations. I am extremely happy with the service I receive (6Mb/768) from Sonic.net. However since I am over 11K from the CO and less then 2K from my RT my next upgrade is either ATT U-Verse or Comcast. I would love it if Sonic could provision Fusion out of RTs, but alas they can not. If you are considering this option Sonic.net support will tell you how far you are from your RT or CO. For those who can get it, this is a nice alternative. Congrats to Sonic.net. Thats the problem, COs haven't been built since the 1970s . So all subdivisions and new suburbs built in the last 40 years are out of range of the CO. | |
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| Correction?: $80, not $70 According to this announcement:
»corp.sonic.net/ceo/2009/09/09/fu···r-bonded
...the 30-Mbps package costs at least $80 per month, not $70, as the DSLR item states. (Maybe I missed something.) Here are the quotes:
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Pair Bonded, Residential locations, dynamic IP: * 30Mbps/2Mbps $80/mo
Pair Bonded, Residential locations, 8 static IPs: * 30Mbps/2Mbps $105/mo
Pair Bonded, Business locations, dynamic IP: * 30Mbps/2Mbps $145/mo
Pair Bonded, Business locations, 8 static IPs: * 30Mbps/2Mbps $190/mo | |
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