 ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON | Big win indeed Small ISP partners with Google's keystone venture. That's a lot of faith invested in Sonic.
And if Sonic doesn't stumble on the execution of the project, they'll gain big in terms of whatever Google has planned next. | |
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 |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 Reviews:
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| Re: Big win indeed said by AR:Small ISP partners with Google's keystone venture. That's a lot of faith invested in Sonic.
And if Sonic doesn't stumble on the execution of the project, they'll gain big in terms of whatever Google has planned next. I'm sure dane5 , the CEO of Sonic.net, can chime in, but I doubt there will be any stumbling... -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 Fluker join:2005-04-07 West Lafayette, IN | Good timing. Just as HP announced that they think they can convince us all that we want to pay more for a lower quality connection, Google and Sonic.net announce this.
I think the public's mood and the press's airtime will reflect who is better at giving people what they want. | |
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| Re: Good timing. This is nothing but the Google Press Machine at work again. If you really expect Google to do anything with this project I wouldn't hold my breath. They have several projects that were open to the public one was about two years ago (was mentioned on here before and all over the media) and yet have to release any winners.
Google just wants data and that's all they're gonna do. They'll get the data they need; then they'll shut down the network. The same as they did with Google 411. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Good timing. I can't see that they will shut it down. If Sonic.net does a good job (looking at their track record I don't see why not) they would likely give it to them at little to nothing when they are done with it. | |
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| Goog411 is mostly recurring expenses (bandwidth.com incoming SIP trunks, servers to run queries). Fiber, which will probably cost $700-$1000 to run per customer, is more one-time-cost-heavy...
I'm betting, like battleop, that Google will at some point hand the network over to Sonic.net, who will then do an awesome job at managing it. Private sector companies cooperating FTW. | |
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| Re: Good timing. Hardly. Google won't give it up. It's a trial run meaning that is most likely to be killed at some point. This won't stay operating especially with Google's track record.
And Goog411 was to improve speach to type/search software they were developing. the product sucked more and more toward the end. Also the amount of $$$ they made off getting the user call data and selling it made more than what they spent. The same as Google Voice. | |
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 |  |  |  |  NYR 56Premium join:2000-12-05 Smithtown, NY | Re: Good timing. You don't build a fiber network and then "kill it". You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and just making crazy assumptions since you clearly have something against Google.
FYI, you can still text Goog411, which is far more useful than calling anyway. It's the only 411 service I ever use. Not sure what's wrong with Google Voice either, it's a pretty innovative product, that works well for my uses. Also, both of these services are FREE. I don't know why you hate a company that provides excellent, free services. | |
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| something Something good is gonna have to happen for the consumer.. Low caps and high prices with high overages will crimple the growth of the internet and pretty much fuebar any video streaming companies..
The big players are starting to get a blood lust for our wallets.. Lets just hope they don't put in too many laws paid for from lobbying for new start ups to have a chance! | |
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| Re: something how is this going to be good? It's a test run of the Google FTTH network and will decide what happens. As a trial- it WILL end and the fiber will be there to rot unless Sonic buys it or leases it from Google. Google just wants to collect data and that's it. | |
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 |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: something What kind of data? Be specific. Even 4K YouTube video runs over connections one twentieth of the capacity of gigabit fiber. | |
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 |  |  decifal join:2007-03-10 Bon Aqua, TN kudos:1 | A trail can learn how people might actually use services have they not be capped and it be fast enough. Some would call it research. Some call that the devil.. Either way, I think of it as progress in some form or another | |
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| Re: something Not with Google. They datamine and will track EACH and every USER and then sell the information they obtain. That is their business for advertising. They are a data mining company. You do realise how much information they hold for everyone that uses their products right? More than what you would EVER dream of having in front of you about anyone. | |
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 |  |  |  |  Fluker join:2005-04-07 West Lafayette, IN | Re: something They don't sell your information. They tailor search results to your interests and present ads based on relevant topics.
Who are they selling your info to? Last time I checked 99.9% of their money came from giving businesses clicks when people go looking for stuff. It's not hard to understand. | |
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 mix join:2002-03-19 Utica, MI 1 edit | Google's Motives? So is the whole point of this is so Google can sniff everyone's data to figure out new ways to market advertisements to people or what? | |
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 |  | | as always..and when they get the data they want. off goes the network. remember Google 411? it's gone-they collected enough usage data. | |
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 |  |  MTUPremium join:2005-02-15 San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: Google's Motives? So which ISP do you assume does NOT sniff packets? There are those very paranoid folks, not me of course, who believe that the Internet is successfully serving as wondrous intelligence (the who/what/where kind) accumulator. Kinda like cellphones. | |
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| Re: Google's Motives? sniffing packets and housing the information for advertising related ventures and selling the data is different. Google uses the information and sells it for advertising. How do you think they make their money? They're able to tell you how many times a word is searched by saving your search, email and every other data that they get their hands on.
It's not being paranoid- its the fact of what Google does. | |
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 | | Quickly now Sonic.net needs to expand (with Google's help) to other states Kick some ATT/Cable co's behind 
Of course I'm sure there's some local regulations that will protect poor little "local" providers from this nasty competition. So, god forbid, customers wouldn't get a third option between cable and major telco dsl *sigh* -- Hyperom: Rants about life, politics, technology | |
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 |  |  Quake110Premium join:2003-12-20 Ottawa, ON | Re: Quickly now Now now, you seem like a boring party crasher. | |
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| Android was a trial. Google TV was a trial. Chrome OS was a trial...still is, but Google is at about the point now that they were with gTV six months ago.
Believe it or not, Google has a few products (including GMail, Docs, Android, Chrome) that are out of beta at this point... | |
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| Re: Quickly now Those are not their products. They don't make any $$$$ off providing them. They make their money off their advertising product. That is their money. They provide the free products to sell your data usage to other companies. Go advertise your website with Google adwords; they'll be able to tell you the best words to use what times they're searched and all. How? They RECORD your information from their "free" "products" just to sell your information. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Quickly now said by hottboiinnc:Those are not their products. They don't make any $$$$ off providing them. They make their money off their advertising product. That is their money. They provide the free products to sell your data usage to other companies. Go advertise your website with Google adwords; they'll be able to tell you the best words to use what times they're searched and all. How? They RECORD your information from their "free" "products" just to sell your information. So all of those Google products are not Google products at all? That's amazing. They only have an advertising product? Really?
How do you think they get people to look at their advertisements? By having people use their products such as search, android, chrome, gmail, docs, etc. Without those products, their advertising product would be useless, yes? | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:will never expand. Trials NEVER go outside of trials with Google. It will be killed off in about a year or so. Your saying they will throw millions of dollars away? They clearly will simply lease the lines to sonic. | |
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 |  | | Re: hit the ground running I wonder whether Google plans to buy out Dane Jasper and Sonic.net | |
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 |  |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: hit the ground running No. Google isn't in the utility industry. In the utility industry, your success is dependent on manipulating government regulation to your favor, not on what you sell, or at what price. Everyone buys water, or will have the government buy them water (welfare/section 8). Everyone buys power. etc | |
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 |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: hit the ground running Not everyone buys internet. Sonic is a CLEC; they compete against AT&T and Comcast in most of their footprint. Crazy thing is, they appear to be gaining market share despite not owning the last mile...yet. Good on 'em. | |
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 JohnInSJPremium join:2003-09-22 San Jose, CA | Congrats to Sonic.net The best little ISP ever. Keep kicking butt, Dane. -- My place : »www.schettino.us | |
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 |  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP join:2001-08-20 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:7 | Re: Congrats to Sonic.net said by JohnInSJ:The best little ISP ever. Keep kicking butt, Dane. Thanks John.
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