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2007-Nov-11 11:34 am
All I can say is *YAWN*The one with the biggest advertising budget, the most money to spend on pushing the most products to market the cheapest in order to show everyone that they are the "best" will be the one that wins. And it looks like blu-ray is not in that position, currently. | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:35 am
Re: All I can say is *YAWN*Yup... its Sony Beta vs. VHS all over again. | |
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2007-Nov-11 1:12 pm
Re: All I can say is *YAWN*said by en102:Yup... its Sony Beta vs. VHS all over again. Not quite. Unlike Beta vs VHS, these guys are in a race versus overall irrelevance. The only thing preventing this whole mess from being completely pointless is the lack of sufficient real broadband, right now. Give us real bandwidth and all we'd have to worry about was having the right CODECs and enough storage space to save our movies. | |
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Re: All I can say is *YAWN*No need to save them even. Just have a subscription modle that can give them to us on demand. The video game makers have figured this out. Most games can be bought online and if you lose your comp you can redownload on the new one for free. | |
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2007-Nov-11 2:55 pm
Re: All I can say is *YAWN*said by Freezone:No need to save them even. Just have a subscription modle that can give them to us on demand. The video game makers have figured this out. Most games can be bought online and if you lose your comp you can redownload on the new one for free. That would require significantly greater bandwidth, then. The ability to save movies/games, gives one the ability to, once downloaded, play their movie/game "on demand" and not have to wait for it to download each time you want to play it. | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:35 am
And the winner isHD-DVD will win out. Sony's proprietary crap never becomes standard. MD, SACD, Beta, etc.. | |
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Re: And the winner isHD DVD hasn't outsold Blu-ray in about a year. If it planbs on winning out it should plan on outselling it eventually. So far, HD DVD has continued the same low sales as it always has. | |
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Re: And the winner isMost of the blu-ray footprint is PS3. HDDVD players are otherwise outselling BR players.
My crystal ball says HDDVD will win.
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Re: And the winner is'HDDVD players are otherwise outselling BR players.'
That was true up until the end of summer and before the firesale at Walmart. | |
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said by xenophon:Most of the blu-ray footprint is PS3. HDDVD players are otherwise outselling BR players. My crystal ball says HDDVD will win. I agree that Sony is poor at developing standards. They have too much of a proprietary attitude. Yea..because we all know Microsoft stays away from proprietary standards. Good Greif. | |
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Re: And the winner issaid by LeftOfSanity:said by xenophon:Most of the blu-ray footprint is PS3. HDDVD players are otherwise outselling BR players. My crystal ball says HDDVD will win. I agree that Sony is poor at developing standards. They have too much of a proprietary attitude. Yea..because we all know Microsoft stays away from proprietary standards. Good Greif. What does MS practices have to do with this? | |
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Re: And the winner isMS is the proprietary owner of HDi. HDi is the code placed on all HD DVD discs and 90% of the reason why they went red. | |
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There could be no winner. If they start making dual format players this battle could play out like DVD-R vs. DVD+R. In time the "standard" winds up being hardware that deals with either format.
The key difference between modern battle wars as opposed to the VHS and BetaMax war is that the physical disc format is the same. | |
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said by WeSRT4:HD-DVD will win out. Sony's proprietary crap never becomes standard. MD, SACD, Beta, etc.. You may want to check out who's proprietary crap is on the HD-DVD before you spout stuff. Also, how many hardware manufacturers are making standalone HD-DVD players? And how many are making Blu-Ray? Hmmm... Sony is a huge backer of Blu-Ray but it's hardly "theirs" and some of the other major backers may surprise you if you do a little research. | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:36 am
Hey Sony... Backpedal often?Wonder if the $99 HD-DVD players Wal-Mart was pumping out had anything to do with his wishes..... | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:44 am
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?That was a ONE day sale. Big whoop. More PS3s will be sold than that. Haters seem to forget the PS3 is a blu-ray player too.
I wonder how many of those $99 HD-DVD players will be brought back for being defective? | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:47 am
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?The PS3 is already slowing down, and that sure as heck doesn't help the Blu-Ray camp any. | |
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2007-Nov-11 12:30 pm
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by ptrowski:The PS3 is already slowing down, and that sure as heck doesn't help the Blu-Ray camp any. Prove that. Fact is Sony just released a $399 PS3 and lowered the 80 GB prices by $100. Next time try keeping up. | |
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2007-Nov-11 12:36 pm
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?Last time I checked $100 is less than $300. | |
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Sounds like somebody's pissed they bought a PS3 and there's still no "killer app" titles out for it. Listen pal, it's a well known FACT that out of the Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 and the Sony PS3, the PS3 (at least in the United States) has sold the LEAST AMOUNT OF UNITS. Maybe next time, YOU should try keeping up. | |
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The fact that they have millions of PS3s vs just thousands of HD-DVD players and they can barely muster a 2:1 lead shows that the PS3 is not going to win the war for them sorry. HD-DVD will have more promotions this Christmas and Sony's lead will likely become non-existant. | |
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2007-Nov-11 12:29 pm
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by Sircolby450:The fact that they have millions of PS3s vs just thousands of HD-DVD players and they can barely muster a 2:1 lead shows that the PS3 is not going to win the war for them sorry. HD-DVD will have more promotions this Christmas and Sony's lead will likely become non-existant. last time I checked my math 2>1 | |
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Actually in the US there are only a couple million blu-ray capable devices and over half a million capable HD DVD devices. Not a "couple thousand".
The BDA will have sales this Christmas too. they just aren't in the business of selling at a huge loss. | |
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Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by bogey7806:Actually in the US there are only a couple million blu-ray capable devices and over half a million capable HD DVD devices. Not a "couple thousand". "The fact that they have millions of PS3s vs just thousands of HD-DVD players" couple million=million(s) and 1/2 million=thousands. I didn't say how many million or thousands. I just said that Blu-Ray is in the million(s) while HD-DVD is still in the thousands. The fact that they have only been able to muster a 2:1 lead with that size difference in the amount of players shows that the PS3 is not carrying as much weight as people make it out to. With HD-DVDs stand alones picking up in sales Blu-Ray's lead is soon to be a thing of the past. | |
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Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?Because most PS3 owners aren't watching blu-rays.
If I was beat into a coma by one guy versus getting beat into a coma by 3 guys...does it really matter how many guys did the beating?
No.
HD DVD sales are less than blu-ray and HD DVD has lower market penetration. Your side was saying whoever hits less than 300$ wins. HD DVD hit less than 300$ and still is sucking wind.
Then you said that whoever gets less than 200$ wins. HD DVD got less than 200$ and is still sucking wond.
Now HD DVD has hit less than 100$ and it's still losing.
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Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by bogey7806:Because most PS3 owners aren't watching blu-rays. If I was beat into a coma by one guy versus getting beat into a coma by 3 guys...does it really matter how many guys did the beating? No. HD DVD sales are less than blu-ray and HD DVD has lower market penetration. Your side was saying whoever hits less than 300$ wins. HD DVD hit less than 300$ and still is sucking wind. Then you said that whoever gets less than 200$ wins. HD DVD got less than 200$ and is still sucking wond. Now HD DVD has hit less than 100$ and it's still losing. Face it, HD DVD is a loser format. WTF are you talking about? For all you know HD-DVD may be on the top of the list next week. I wouldn't start boasting just yet. Even the fregin CEO of Sony isn't saying HD-DVD is a loser format. Are you really so blindly in love with Sony that Sony is saying their failure before you? | |
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Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?HD DVD will not win next week I guarantee you that. If HD DVD gets even 25% of the market share next week it'll be a miracle. Pixar/Disney dropped some new titles. HD DVD is still relying on 4 week old Transformers to keep sales alive. Even last week sales of Transformers was still dropping and it was 4th or 5th for the week. | |
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said by 88615298:That was a ONE day sale. Big whoop. More PS3s will be sold than that. Haters seem to forget the PS3 is a blu-ray player too. I wonder how many of those $99 HD-DVD players will be brought back for being defective? 60% of PS3 Owners have no idea what Blu-Ray is. » www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/0 ··· blu-ray/ | |
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Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by r81984:said by 88615298:That was a ONE day sale. Big whoop. More PS3s will be sold than that. Haters seem to forget the PS3 is a blu-ray player too. I wonder how many of those $99 HD-DVD players will be brought back for being defective? 60% of PS3 Owners have no idea what Blu-Ray is. » www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/0 ··· blu-ray/ That's right now? I'm sure most people don't know the differnce between SD and HD either. Boy the fanboys are out today. | |
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2007-Nov-11 1:31 pm
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?If 60% do not care about the blu-ray function then how can those count as blu-ray players? They have no potential for sales of blu-ray movies. Your right there are too many fanboys like you that like crappy companies. | |
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People who buy PS3s buy them for reasons that may have nothing to do with watching movies.
People who bought the ~ 90K HD-DVD players that were sold by Wal*Mart bought them for one reason. To watch movies. | |
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2007-Nov-11 12:28 pm
Re: Hey Sony... Backpedal often?said by royhandy9:People who buy PS3s buy them for reasons that may have nothing to do with watching movies. People who bought the ~ 90K HD-DVD players that were sold by Wal*Mart bought them for one reason. To watch movies. OK fanboys listen up. The fact there are MILLIONS of blu-ray players out there. Just because they aren't using them for movies NOW doesn't mean they won't be later. | |
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'To watch movies.'
Yes. Upscaled SD DVDs. Even during this week of 90k players HD DVD still got outsold by Blu-ray 71-29 | |
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said by 88615298:I wonder how many of those $99 HD-DVD players will be brought back for being defective? Probably not many. They were Toshiba HD DVD players. Not the generic brand normally found in Walmart stores. What does that have to do with anything anyways? | |
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Blu-Ray will win.I think Blu-Ray will win for the simple fact that they've managed to get Blu-Ray media, and burners to the table faster. Although with Microsoft backing HD, I can't imagine them giving up on it any time soon. Of course Stringing is correct in pointing out that format wars don't serve consumer interest very well. | |
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.» www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21706778/"At the same time, he played down the importance of the battle, saying it was mostly a matter of prestige whose format wins out in the end.
"It doesn't mean as much as all that," Stringer said. He added that he believed there was an opportunity of uniting the two camps under one format before he became CEO, and he wishes he could travel back in time to make that happen." This translates to me as: "Well we gave it a run to cash in on our format. Unfortunately it appears that we are losing the battle. So to save face, in the event that we do lose, we don't actually care if we win the format war or not". Got to love CEO speak. | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:46 am
The will end at ChristmasWhen no one buys a Blu-Ray player for Christmas and everyone buys a HD-DVD player, HD-DVD will win. Cheapest HD-DVD player - $180 Cheapest Blu-Ray player -$500 Cheapest PS3/Blu-Ray - $400 Sony knows they lost and now are trying to lay the ground work for HD-DVD/Blu-ray players to save their format. Sony does not like their customers. If someone still likes Sony check this out: » consumerist.com/consumer ··· 1288.php | |
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2007-Nov-11 11:56 am
The one who makes it to PC's firstThe one to win this game will be the first one to offer a reasonably priced burner for the pc. Since they are so worried about "the pirates" this will not happen for some time.
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It's all in a NameI think HD DVD will win because Joe Sixpack and his Grandma can understand what the name means. Whereas Blu-ray sounds like something that might cause Grandma to shoot a laser into her eye. Plus, who can spell it for a Google search?... e, or no e?... hyphen, or no hyphen?... one word or two? | |
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Re: It's all in a NameBecause we all enjoy saying HD DVD aloud. And as we all know new terms stop people from buying thigs... like "duo-core" and who wants DSL when they have AOL! | |
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2007-Nov-11 12:59 pm
Sorry SonySorry Sony, but you cannot have a monopoly. Their blu-ray is already overly priced, and competition is what they need. PS3 for example, they're slowly lowering the price. I don't think the PS3 even got sold out once here. | |
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Re: Sorry SonyYeah, Sony...LMAO! Too bad there are a whole slew of companies backing Blu-ray, huh? » www.blu-raydisc.com/gene ··· dex.html"The Blu-ray Disc Association has member companies from the consumer electronics (CE), information technology (IT), media and software industries. The lists below include current members as well as applicants." Board of DirectorsApple, Inc. Dell HP Hitachi LG Mitsubishi Electric Panasonic Pioneer Philips Samsung Sharp Sony Sun Microsystems TDK Thomson Twentieth Century Fox Walt Disney Warner Bros. ContributorsAcer Incorporated Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Almedio Inc. Alticast Aplix Corporation ArcSoft, Inc. AudioDev AB Broadcom Corporation Canon Inc. China Hualu Group Co., Ltd. CMC Magnetics Corporation Coding Technologies GmbH Corel Corporation Cryptography Research Inc. CyberLink Corp. DATARIUS Technologies GmbH Daxon Technology Inc. D-Box Technologies Inc. DCA Inc. Deluxe Media Services Inc. Dolby Laboratories Inc. Dreamer Co., Ltd. DTS, Inc. Eclipse Data Technologies Esmertec FUJIFILM Corporation Fujitsu Ltd. Funai Electric Co., Ltd. Gibson Guitar Corp. Imation Corp. Kenwood Corporation Lenovo Lionsgate Entertainment LITE-ON IT Corporation Magnum Semiconductor, Inc. MediaTek Inc. Meridian Audio Ltd. Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd. Mitsui Chemicals Inc. Monster Cable Products Moser Baer India Limited NEC Electronics Corporation Nero Osmosys SA Pixela Corporation Prodisc Technology Inc. Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd. Ricoh Co., Ltd. Ritek Corporation ShibaSoku Co. Ltd. Sigma Designs Inc. Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation Sonic Solutions Sonopress Sony BMG Music Entertainment ST Microelectronics Sunext Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd., Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. Visionare Corporation Zentek Technology Japan, Inc. ZOOtech Ltd. Zoran Corporation General MembersAdobe Systems Alpine Electronics Inc. Arima Devices Corporation ashampoo GmbH & Co. KG Atmel Corporation Avid Development GmbH BASF AG B.H.A. Corporation Bose Corporation Brickbox Digital Media B&W Group The Cannery Cheertek Inc. Cinram Manufacturing Inc. CustomFlix Labs, Inc. Custom Technology Inc. D&M holdings, Inc. Daewoo Electronics Corporation Daikin Industries, Ltd. Elpida Memory, Inc. Expert Magnetics Corp. Falcon Technologies International Fujitsu Ten Ltd. GalleryPlayer Media Networks Gear Software Global Machinery Co., Ltd. Gowell Electronic Limited Hie Electronics, Inc. Hoei Sangyo Co., Ltd Horizon Semiconductor. IMAGICA Corp. INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd. Infomedia Inc. Intersil Corporation Iwatsu Test Instruments Kobe Steel Co. Ltd. Konica Minolta Opto Inc. Lauda Co. Ltd. Lead Data Inc. LEADER ELECTRONICS CORP Linn Products Ltd. LINTEC Corporation MainConcept AG Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd. Must Technology Co., Ltd. MX Production Services NEC Personal Products Ltd. Netflix Inc. Newtech Infosystems Inc. NexWave Solutions Nichia Corporation Nikkatsu Corporation NTT Electronics Corporation nVidia Corporation OC Oerlikon Balzer AG Omnibus Japan Inc. Onkyo Corporation Online Media Technologies Ltd. Ono Sokki Co., Ltd. OPT Corporation Optodisc Technology Corporation Origin Electric Co., Ltd. Pico House Plannet Associates PoINT Software & Systems GmbH Pony Canyon Enterprise Primera Technology, Inc. Q-TEC, Inc. Quanta Storage Inc. Rimage Corporation Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd. Dr. Schwab Inspection Technology GmbH Singulus Technologies Source Multi Media Korea Targray Technology International Inc. TEAC Corporation Teijin Chemicals Ltd. Texas Instruments, Inc. THX Ltd. Toei Video Company Ltd. Toho Company, Ltd. Toppan Printing Co., Ltd. TOPTICA Photonics AG Trailer Park UmeDisc Ltd. Universal Music Group, Inc. VideACE Inc. Yamaha Corporation Yokogawa Electric Corporation 1K Studios, LLC | |
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they both win!This is not the day of the beta and vhs. We have the tech to make and already have made a player that plays both. Once the price comes to about $199 for one that plays both the war will end with both surviving! | |
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2007-Nov-11 1:21 pm
both will winI agree if the duel format players get to 199 both formats will win, but duel format players will not be 199 for at least another 2-3 years.
The reason why we have 99 dollar and 199 dollar hd-dvd players is because Toshiba is eating some of the cost, so who is going to eat the cost of a duel format player? | |
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2007-Nov-11 1:26 pm
Why I prefer HD-DVDThe only reason i'm taking a side on this fight is because my toshiba laptop came with a HD-DVD drive. I didn't really want it, it was more of an added bonus to the whole deal. So now that I have a HD-DVD, i'm hoping HD-DVD will win the format war so my HD-DVD's don't go obsolete. (Which they won't, because the few HD-DVD's that i've bought can also be flipped over and used in a DVD player)
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It's about the price stupidMost HD Tvs are bought at Wal Mart, Sams, Costo, etc. The average consumer doesn't know 1080P or "true HD" from a hole in the ground. Who ever gets the price under $100 with a few dozen good titles will take off.
The dual player without a breakthrough in cost is not a factor. It's too expensive.
PS3 is not a factor. Geeks and gamers don't drive the movie market. Joe lunch bucket does.
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The battle begins againThose of us to live through Beta vs. VHS, and MD vs. CD remembers how much Sony loss on those. | |
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HD-DVD already won for meit's simple. I just bought a Toshiba player for $100 at Walmart, and I can rent HD-DVD's from Blockbuster or Netflix, so why pay more for Sony when I can already see the whole movie at 1080p using Toshiba? Sony's going to have to sell hardware at a loss to regain the market share that's slipping away. all this nonsense waste and confusion for "bragging rights" - how silly. | |
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Format War doesn't Help, but Joe Sixpack is Clueless!The Average Person just wants to watch a good movie at home, and DVD quality is all they need. The only people that really care are the Techie, and picky Home Theater bunch, and they have bought and made their choice already. The Average Joe Sixpack is looking for $5 DVD Sales. | |
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2007-Nov-11 2:16 pm
InaccurateErr.. how can it be a stalemate when bluray has won already? Infact I think bluray has declared this themselves many many times LOL 'mission accomplished'. This is sonys way of admitting defeat.
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2007-Nov-11 2:32 pm
Sounds like...Instead of Beta vs. VHS it sounds more like +/- RW to me. Like others said there will be more players that do both. I don't see any of the formats actually "winning" no matter if how many are sold because of corporate greed. What they need to do is merge the formats and make one combo format. Of course that will never happen. | |
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Re: Sounds like...This is probably exactly what will happen. Neither technology has enough steam right now to "win" outright. There already are a couple of "HD-DVD/BluRay Combo" players and I imagine we'll see many more of them in 2008... | |
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beta vs VHSI don't get how its "the whole Beta vs VHS war again" posts
Didn't VHS win because people wanted more play time on the tape while Beta was better quality with like 30min less play time? but now its Blu-Ray with higher bandwidth/quality, longer play time/higher capacity (25GB, 50GB, 100GB very soon, and 200GB in 2yrs) over HD-DVD's lower bandwidth (think its 30mbps vs. 50mbps) smaller disk sizes ( 15GB, 30GB, or now 51GB) | |
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