Lagz Premium Member join:2000-09-03 The Rock |
Lagz
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 12:04 pm
Greedy Greedy Greedy!!!Can we say greed. The music industry will never learn. | |
|
|
graycorgi
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 12:29 pm
Greed.Before it was a %, like between 6-12%... and the new rates they proposed are a flat rate per play... for many broadcasters, this is over 5,000% of what they were paying before... and much more money than they actually make!
DI.fm for example, asks us to imagine a situation that for every 1$ they take in, before any expenses, they owe 5$.
"Discounted"? "Couple of years"? "Small internet radio broadcasters" only? F#ck you. That "discounted rate" is a larger percentage than the smaller stations were paying before. How the hell is that discounted?
How do they expect them to pay out more than they make? Filthy, greedy music industry... | |
|
| spanglo Premium Member join:2004-05-17 San Diego, CA |
spanglo
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 12:49 pm
Re: Greed.Ask for the moon and settle for a "lower" offer. Nice tactic. | |
|
|
They'll never see a pennyIMO, the RIAA/Sound Exchange will never see a penny from these royalties. It's just their way of getting Internet radios to depend on the RIAA and play whatever artist they're trying to sell at the moment.
RIAA: "Oh, so you want to play Malevolent Creation and not the latest Hillary Duff teeny bopper tune? Fine, just pay us $5,000,000 and you're off the hook."
Internet Radio: "Well, on second thought..." | |
|
GlaiceBrutal Video Vault Premium Member join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY |
Glaice
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 12:56 pm
Rates are not reasonableCan't they just give them an offer like $150-200? More than reasonable for any small radio station a year. | |
|
PhoenixDownFIOS is Awesome Premium Member join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY |
An alterative to soundexchange?I believe most of the online radio stations are playing independent artists -- wouldn't it be possible for these stations to create an alternative to soundexchange that could sign up the independants in a mutually beneficial deal? If so, they could give the riaa/soundchange the big FU and never play their crap. | |
|
| 1 edit |
No.The deal that SoundExange has with the Copyright Tribunal gives them the EXCLUSIVE right to collect royalties. Even if an American Internet Radio stations plays independent music only, it still has to pay royalties to SoundExchange for the right to play that music. If the Indy label wants that $$, it must JOIN SoundExchange!
Of course, no one has explained where any unclaimed Indy $$ goes....any one care to speculate? | |
|
| | |
Re: No.This is not the case. The radio station is free to negotiate royalties with individual rightsholders. | |
|
| | | 4 edits |
Wrong....No...the individual radio station is free to negotiate directly with SoundExchange-assuming that SoundExchange is willing to negotiate with them!
Look at SoundExchange's charter from Congress-they have the EXCLUSIVE rights to collect Internet radio music royalty payments.
The fees are set by the United States Copyright Royalty Board-basically a shill for the RIAA-as they completely and totally ignored the Internet broadcasters' comments and gave the RIAA EXACTLY what they wanted!
The only reason that SoundExchange wants to talk is because Congress is considering a law (The Internet Radio Equality Act) that would put them out of business for being so draconian-and they want to be seen by Congress as 'accomodating'. If that law dies, I predict that SoundExchange will revert to being a herd of assholes again-overnight!
Now...if the individual rights holders want to give their music away for free, that's quite another matter, but if compensation is involved, SoundExchange collects it. | |
|
| | | | |
Re: Wrong....They are the only organization which can collect the _statutory_ royalties, but the radio stations are still free to license the music directly from the rightsholders and bypass the statutory royalty system. | |
|
| PhoenixDownFIOS is Awesome Premium Member join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY 1 edit |
Re: An alterative to soundexchange?Sounds uncompetitive and illegal.
besides, in my idea, a contract between the 'new' organization and the artists would have verbiage allowing it to supercede anything to do with sound exchange -- after that, its a civil court issue. | |
|
| | 2 edits |
Illegal and unconstitutional laws are passed all the time..Illegal/unconstitutional laws are passed all the time, but until they are declared so (usually by SCOTUS), they (can) continue to be enforced-sometimes for decades!
That's a big problem with our Govt...there's no penalty (other then throwing them out at election time) for elected officials doing this type of behavior. | |
|
| KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
to PhoenixDown
if all the netcasters banded togather and staged a Mutany against soundexchange when the rates go up im sure some shit would be stirred. they all leave SXC, play indy music and pay the artist direct with side deals between them and the artist. therefore no laws are broken as the artist is getting paid. | |
|
4 edits |
This is about control...The RIAA wants DRM on all Internet Radio, and is holding the industry hostage with the obscene fees they lobbied (read: BRIBERS) from the Copyright Tribunal.
The problem is this....their greed will force the American stations like Radio Paradise to go out of business-and hand the Internet radio industry over to the Europeans and Canadians ON A PLATINUM PLATTER! In other words, there will BE no American Interent radio stations-all the stations will be from offshore.
....and another fledgling American industry will be run into the ground thanks to greed...
Of course, we won't mention that most members of the RIAA are now allowing DRM free copies of their music to be sold. Even WalMart is getting into the act.
This is SO Neo-Con America! | |
|
pokesphIt Is Almost Fast Premium Member join:2001-06-25 Sacramento, CA |
pokesph
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 2:50 pm
SE greed..I still want to know how this will affect the small, non-profit / hobby webcaster.. since we don't have an 'income' stream or paid listeners, what do we use to (how do we) pay?
this monster greed we've been seeing lately web-wide is total BS and needs to go. NOW! | |
|
| wdoa join:2001-10-16 Spencer, MA |
wdoa
Member
2007-Aug-23 3:15 pm
Re: SE greed..Basically if you are a "hobby" webcaster you are treated the same as a small commercial webcaster. In essence you are dead meat unless you have thousands of dollars to put into your "hobby". I just shut down my station that focused on independent music. I had about a half dozen volunteers who recorded show. We had no advertising, and did pay BMI & ASCAP royalties, but at the end of the day the RIAA game would bankrupt us. If I could have paid a flat fee of a few hundred dollars a year (as was the case with BMI & ASCAP) I would, however there are no provisions for this. | |
|
|
Ari Shohat
Anon
2007-Aug-23 5:15 pm
Ensures the small never get bigThis will not work for us at DI.fm, hopefully there can be something else worked out better. This ensures the small always stay small, heaven forbid they actually are free to grow their business. I can understand very small outfits taking this, it's better than nothing, however this sets the bar in a bad place and legitimizes the absolutely ridiculous arguements for such fees. | |
|
robertfl Premium Member join:2005-10-10 Mary Esther, FL |
robertfl
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 6:12 pm
Boycott CD'sYou should boycott CDs except for small artists.
-Rob | |
|
tileguy Premium Member join:2007-08-09 Derry, NH |
tileguy
Premium Member
2007-Aug-23 8:37 pm
RIAA????I don't know.... Is it me? Does the RIAA just exist to make money off of the artists? The bands would make more just selling their music on their own website than spreading the money to the RIAA and other various organizations. WTF!!!! Get it together guys! Make you own money!! There's no need to split it with anyone else now! The Fatcats at the RIAA are not needed anymore. | |
|
|
Not sure what everybody is crowing aboutA 10%-12% royalty rate is at least a reasonable charge. That means a percentage of the webcaster's revenue or profits (10%-12% to be exact) pays for the use of the music. Right now royalty rates hover at about 6%-8% for using someone else's music (you record a cover song and sell it, etc). If you ask me this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Percentages are much better than a flat fee no matter how you slice it. | |
|
|
|