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Sources: Qwest's Cooking Up New 40Mbps Tier
Additional confirmation on Qwest's new VDSL2 effort...
by Karl Bode 12:03PM Thursday Jun 11 2009
The past few weeks have seen a flood of rumors that Qwest is about to migrate from ADSL2+ to VDSL2, which should allow the carrier to offer faster speeds to select customers with shorter loop lengths. While Qwest's current fastest ADSL2+ speed tops out at 20Mbps/896kbps, the new VDSL2 services will top out at around 40Mbps downstream and 20Mbps upstream. We've been running down some leads and have been able to confirm with several insiders that the project is underway.

"It will start with new VDSL2 remote terminals," says one Qwest insider who's familiar with the project. "Using a platform similar to one currently in use for FTTN -- which has been strictly RT-based -- as opposed to a card upgrade." According to the insider, you can expect the same approach with central-office (CO) based systems. "FTTN has traditionally been offered only from RTs," says the source. "But that is going to change."

On the official level, Qwest spokesperson Monica Martinez wouldn't confirm or deny a new product launch. "Qwest recently said that we were planning to trial infrastructure designed to deliver higher speeds through our FTTN build this year," says Martinez. "We are doing that, and as part of that process, VDSL2 is being evaluated in the lab and in the field," she says. "Beyond that, we have no additional details to share."

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According to sources, the prices for the new services range from 12Mbps/5Mbps for $51.99 per month, to a new "Ultimate" tier at 40Mbps/20Mbps for $109.99 per month. Supporting a looming launch is the fact that Qwest's website already makes reference to the new Ultimate tier. Sources believe these prices may be accurate (plus $10 if not bundled with a Qwest landline), though as usual with pre-release information -- the prices could change:
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Platinum+ 7Mbps/5Mbps - $41.99
Titanium+ 12Mbps/5Mbps -$51.99
Quantum+ 20Mbps/5Mbps - $64.99
Ultimate 40Mbps/5Mbps - $99.99
Ultimate+ 40Mbps/20Mbps - $109.99
The news, which is sure to make upgrade-resistent stock jocks like Craig Moffett cry, is a positive one -- given Qwest isn't in a great position to effectively compete with faster DOCSIS 3.0 cable speeds using ADSL2+. Indications are from multiple sources that the initial deployment of these faster speeds will be very limited in scope, centered largely around metro areas, starting in or around Denver later this month.

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Hpower
Roflmao

join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA

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meh

For some reason I don't think this project will run smoothly. Let's see what happens.
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C_Chipperson
Monster Rain
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Hopeful

I like the word "Denver" in there
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2

Re: Hopeful

Me too.

Though didn't Karl just run this article a few days ago, after I sent in a tip for it?
questionable

join:2005-10-18
Phoenix, AZ

I'm getting

Yes But i do know that my area should be getting it and I'm in Phoenix

toby
Troy Mcclure

join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA

Re: I'm getting

When they start 'Silver' at 1.5 MBps, they will run out of precious metal names rather fast.

FLengineer
CCNA, CEH, MCSA
Premium
join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL

Re: I'm getting

They already have the metal names picked out.

Silver
Gold Plated
10k Gold
14k Gold
OMGBLINGBLING

Hpower
Roflmao

join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA
lol true. OMG 1.5 SILVER!!! SO FAST.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by toby:

When they start 'Silver' at 1.5 MBps, they will run out of precious metal names rather fast.
Lets rename Silver to Iron.
rims

join:2000-10-22
Phoenix, AZ

Re: I'm getting

how about Copper
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: I'm getting

said by rims:

how about Copper
Copper is too expensive, you get iron wire.

FLengineer
CCNA, CEH, MCSA
Premium
join:2007-06-26
Leesburg, FL

FTTN only offered from RT's

Fiber To The Neighborhood or Node

The RT IS the Node.

FTTN refers to the connection from the CO to the RT(Node) so when the local area around the CO is served there is no Fiber To The Anything, because that area is being serviced directly from the CO and not an RT.

mrkevin
Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers.
Premium
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Aurora, ME

Re: FTTN only offered from RT's

I think they just made up a bunch of stuff to make it sound more technical.
Some carriers are running VDSL2 from the ONT in large apartment buildings and calling that FTTH even though in actuality it's FTTN
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
said by FLengineer:

Fiber To The Neighborhood or Node

The RT IS the Node.

FTTN refers to the connection from the CO to the RT(Node) so when the local area around the CO is served there is no Fiber To The Anything, because that area is being serviced directly from the CO and not an RT.
A node is a node whether it's in the CO or a remote; there's little difference between a DSLAM in a CO and an RT. FTTN (as in Fiber to the Node) refers to how it's fed- by fiber instead of coax or copper.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: FTTN only offered from RT's

said by dynodb:

A node is a node whether it's in the CO or a remote; there's little difference between a DSLAM in a CO and an RT. FTTN (as in Fiber to the Node) refers to how it's fed- by fiber instead of coax or copper.
By that definition, 768kbitps ADSL, even 128kbitps ISDN, will be FTTN if its fed from a fiber RT.

mlong
Premium
join:2000-05-27
Parker, CO

Let's hope...

I'm in Parker, just south and east of Denver, and I still can't get the higher ADSL speeds. I'm at 7x896 which works great for $40 a month but I'd love higher upload speeds. If I could even get the 7x5 I'd be thrilled.

Qwest, if you're listening, light up your RT near Jordan and Main in Parker and I'll sign up now! Please, I need upload speeds and this would fit the bill.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Re: Let's hope...

I'm on Comcast because Qwest only does 5/896 at my location. I have friends who can get 7/896, but many choose Comcast because it's faster.

I'd switch in a heartbeat however if Qwest had VDSL2 in my area. Would probably jump for the 12/5 package...above about 15 Mbps it's just gravy and I cre more about upload speeds than smoking downloads. As long as I can watch HD video streams (my 8 Mbps Comcast does this just fine) I'm good.
tdouglas22

join:2001-09-25
Memphis, TN

This is good news.....

I like the fact that they are not trying to offer IPTV. They're just going to focus on the current product and offer a better version of it. I think that is what a lot of companies (AT&T) should do. Instead of trying to be everything all in one. Just focus on improving what you already sell and make it so that more will want to sign up for it.

IowaMan
Premium
join:2008-08-21
Grinnell, IA

Re: This is good news.....

Looking at those speeds, Makes me want to FF to the end of the year. as my cable provider is unleashing DOCSIS 3 and I'm surrounded by Qwest but in my particular town is another phone company but alas Mediacom should match Qwest for speeds.
gworkman7

join:2005-10-18
Laveen, AZ
I completely agree. It seems useless to waste money on a third or fourth best TV offering. The market is already saturated with satellite and cable. IPTV would not garner many subs, but the cost outlay would be tremendous.
tdouglas22

join:2001-09-25
Memphis, TN

Re: This is good news.....

said by gworkman7:

I completely agree. It seems useless to waste money on a third or fourth best TV offering. The market is already saturated with satellite and cable. IPTV would not garner many subs, but the cost outlay would be tremendous.
Exactly. Even though a bundle package is a nice cost saver, I'm more concerned with better HSI and telephone service. Stick to what you do best and just focus on making it better.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by gworkman7:

I completely agree. It seems useless to waste money on a third or fourth best TV offering. The market is already saturated with satellite and cable. IPTV would not garner many subs, but the cost outlay would be tremendous.
You can rationalize the IPTV as being free with the VDSL Internet offering. The IPTV costs are a few AAA servers and the programing costs, and loans for the set top boxes.

adsldude
Premium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
kudos:1

This could be the upgrade I've been waiting for!

I've been a Qwest ADSL customer for 7 years on an RDSLAM that was upgraded last year to FTTN. The service has been reliable and the support has been responsive when occasionally needed.

I've ignored the recent ADSL2+ offers since I have no interest in subscribing to a service that reduces the upload speed when compared to my grandfathered 1.5MB/1.0MB ADSL service.

If the new VDSL2 plans are offered in my area and the TOS still allows similar unrestricted use (e.g. servers, inbound connections, VPNs, 3rd party VoIP) then I'll be calling to upgrade to the 7MB/5MB VDSL2 service as soon as it's available.
travelguy

join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM

Legacy Replacement

It would be nice if they rolled this out to the people stuck with the older 1.5MBps service, but I suspect backhaul is the greater problem.

danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
Premium
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Urbandale, IA

Re: Legacy Replacement

I concur. And for some reason, almost everyone around me can get the higher speeds but my little chunk of the Urbandale area. There are upgraded boxes everywhere I look but here, and every time I check the system I'm still stuck at 1.5. Until then, I stay with Mediacom. 10/1 beats 500/896 (which is the last train speed I have on record).
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

40/20? Dsl got no game...

40/20 should be Entry level (and 100% deployable across the footprint) for DSL in 2009.
However, this is Qwest we're talking about, nevermind.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
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Re: 40/20? Dsl got no game...

Uh, the only copper so far that supports those types of speeds is VDSL/VDSL2, which need nodes every 3k feet for that kind of speed.

ADSL2+ maxes out at 24/3.5 or 24/1 depending on which equipment is used.

Personally, 40/20 are pretty good speeds; FiOS tops out at 5020.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
said by tmc8080:

40/20 should be Entry level (and 100% deployable across the footprint) for DSL in 2009.
However, this is Qwest we're talking about, nevermind.
And puppies should never pee on the carpet, it should never rain on the weekend, gasoline should be $.99 a gallon, no one should get cancer, and everyone should be have a high paying job they love
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by tmc8080:

40/20 should be Entry level (and 100% deployable across the footprint) for DSL in 2009.
However, this is Qwest we're talking about, nevermind.
100%? Some people will still be stuck at 1.5 because I don't think Qwest is going to 3000feet loop all existing DSL subscribers, even the 1.5 ones.

platinum tier

Their platinum package should of just been symmetrical, like 5/5 or 7/7?
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

Re: platinum tier

said by yesimanonymous :

Their platinum package should of just been symmetrical, like 5/5 or 7/7?
ADSL2+ doesn't do 5/5 or 7/7.

jadebangle
Premium
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00000
kudos:1
said by yesimanonymous :

Their platinum package should of just been symmetrical, like 5/5 or 7/7?
This is not fiber
This is copper based technology that is gonna give you faster download but same upload as ADSL
who cares about upload right?
100/1 is awesome
1000/1 is even better
/sarcasm
I doubt most surewest user are going to see anything faster then what their currently have now... its a last attempt to keep dsl technology above water
fiber is the future not copper based on inferior technology
by the time i have 50mbps in a year or two most ppl would be happy that they are surfing at 12/2 on comcast or att, rr, cox with similar speed

@rr.com good luck with your speed upgrade and your usage cap coming to a town near you
bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY

VDSL

VDSL requires a new DSL modem/router as well so factor that in.

I buy one I own instead of trusting my ISP to muck around with it.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

No No Speeds

These will be known as Qwest No, No speeds. No we don't have them here, No we don't have them there, No you don't have them either.

MSauk
MSauk
Premium
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Sandy, UT

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Re: No No Speeds

and what do you know, I still can not get higher then 1.5 down! lmfao...what a joke

Oh and guess what, it costs 30 dollars!

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ineedatech

join:2002-07-10
Fort Washakie, WY

What about us in WY people

Here they are upgrading the infastructure everywhere else but here. Where my office is the best we get is 7m down and out at my house the best is 1.5m down. This is just crap!!

»www.ineedatech911.com

fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN

Blah! Whatever!

After OVER 5 years, this joke of an ISP still only offers 1.5 mbps as their best tier where I live while Comcast has 12, 22, and 50 mbps tiers.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: Blah! Whatever!

USF HCF FTW!!!!

Ben
Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL

Too Little, Too Late

It's a step in the right direction, there's no doubt about it.

But, they are just now releasing that? And even then, only a small number of customers will actually be able to get it?

So they may be having money problems. But what they really should do is roll out as much FTTH as possible, and offer FIOS like speeds. I'm not saying Verizon is a perfectly wonderful company, but in that respect, they are doing things right.

If Qwest rolled out FTTH, then in the areas they do, I sincerely believe that they would snap up customers very quickly.

So I don't live in a Qwest area, but I feel bad for anyone who does.

icehole

@qwest.net

so..

I Moved into the Apt I am in early last april & When I moved in my Choices were a 3mb down ?? up from CableOne (who throttles & Caps) or a 1.5mb down & 1mb up from Qwest.. Needsless to say I Took qwest & it worked, But was unimpressive.. Within about 3 weeks after moving though the roll out of the FTTN happened & I not have 20mb available.. I For one am psyched to see faster uploads coming & I Will probably only change from the Titanium to the titanium+ or at most the quantum+.. But one thing I Can tell you for sure whatever its gonna be it will have the+ at the end..

As far as I am concearned Both ISP's here are crap.. Neither know what an upload is (cableone now offers a 10 down 1 up, but its still capped) so to see the posibility of anything with a better upload is awesome news.. Also I heard some hearsay that boise will be rolling out with the VDSL soon as well (CO techs are being trained)..