Spain Declares Broadband A Legal RightEveryone must get 1 Mbps service by 2011 04:37PM Thursday Nov 19 2009 by Karl Bodetags: coverage · bandwidth · worldThe country of Finland recently declared they were making broadband a legal right, requiring that all 5.3 million of the country's residents be served by 1 Mbps service by next summer, and 100 Mbps service by 2015. That's a little easier to do in a country like Finland, which has just 5.3 million residents to our 300+ million, and doesn't have to deal with things like, well, Montana. Spain too this week has decided to make 1 Mbps broadband for all a legal right by 2011, expanding their universal service fund to help fund deployment into coverage gaps, according to Reuters: Until now, the "universal service" has only guaranteed internet via telephone line, fixed telephone, directory service and telephone booths. . .Adding internet to the universal service would increase the future cost of the universal service. The yearly calculations of the cost of the service take about two years to complete. Consumer group FACUA said it welcomed that broadband internet would finally be a right but said the speed was insufficient and the measure should be introduced before 2011. 1 Mbps may not be much, but even such base proclamations are more than the United States government has been capable of. That's expected to change in 90 days, when the FCC finally unveils their national broadband plan to Congress, who'll then have to vote to actually act on it. Like Spain, our plan will likely include using the Universal Service Fund (USF) to fund broadband, but given that program's history of dysfunction, that would be easier said than done. The FCC only recently decided that it might be a good idea to track how USF funds are actually used, if that gives you a good idea of the program's nature. Smaller countries certainly have it a bit easier. In Finland, the estimated $287 million their broadband project will cost is dwarfed by both AT&T's ($7 billion) and Verizon's ($24 billion) next-gen upgrade plans here in the States. Even those sizable investments only reach a third or more of those carriers' total subscribers, and extending even 1 Mbps service to all U.S. consumers could be a multi-billion dollar endeavor. One that's plagued on all sides by a U.S. political system that has traditionally failed to foster competition through regulatory action, and frequently struggles to shake off the lobbying influence of the nation's largest carriers. Related:- Global Data on Caps, Speeds & Prices
- European Study Says 8 EU Countries Top U.S. In Broadband
- Report Issued on State-by-State Internet Speeds
- Friday Morning Links
- Tuesday Evening Links
- Google To Patch Nexus One 3G Issue Soon
- Bell Canada Introduces 'Fibe'
- ISP Offers 200 Mbps Residential Service In Vancouver
|
  Simba7
join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT
·Bresnan Online
2 edits | Hey! "That's a little easier to do in a country like Finland, which has just 5.3 million residents to our 300+ million, and doesn't have to deal with things like, well, Montana."
Hey! We don't have it that bad. Here in Billings, we get decent internet from at least 2 providers. I don't complain much, but alot of others complain of abnormal pings (mostly from MMP-type gamers).
Other than that, I get around 15mbps speeds (ya, I have the speed plus package). You can go with Qwest, but they still have ADSL here (max is 7mbps/896kbps).
Back on subject.. I'm honestly surprised we haven't done this while a couple other countries already instated it. How far behind are we? The internet is holding everything, but the problem is most CableCos and TelCos want to save their old as hell business model. If they *have* to upgrade, it'll force them to use their profits to upgrade their network instead of their bank accounts.
After all, the CEOs of these ISP's *NEED* the millions of dollars in profits to go to their private accounts. -- Bresnan 15M/1M|MyWS[P4HT@4.01GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7]|WifeWS[P4@2.4GHz,1GB RAM,60GB HDD,Win7]|Router[2xP3@1GHz,640MB RAM,18GB HDD,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Kingston KNE100TX,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,iPro/1000DP,Blitz BWI715,Gentoo Linux] | |
|  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Hey! I meant Montana no harm no foul. A beautiful state. Simply noting that it's, well, big. And rural. | |
|  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Wait, Bresnan is actually providing you service as advertised? Sounds like Suddenlink in NW Texas...crappy everywhere else but halfway decent in the areas of their choosing. | |
|  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
| 1 Mbps a ploy? I suspect that 1Mbps is probably just a ploy to make it politically easier to get this passed. For putting in new land line the cost differential between wire and fiber is really minimal, so my guess is any new stuff that goes down will be fiber. The same goes for wireless, putting up wireless N based versus wireless G based is going to cost nearly the same. | |
|  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? You can do 1 Mbps symmetric VERY easily over copper. So just put up some remote terminals and offer ADSL2+ service, and you're done. | |
|  |  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? But the installation of the lines (not the lines themselves) that accounts for the majority of the expense. It not that you cannot do 1Mbps with copper but why use copper when installing fiber will cost you virtually the same amount. | |
|  |  |  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? It's not a matter of installation. In most cases the coper is already there. I don't think anyone is going to install new copper this late in the game, but they may reuse copper from before and just put DSL on it. | |
|  |  |  |  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? iansltx
In tons of rural areas they buried the phone lines in the late 1970s, Govt program to help with ice storms. When they did that they only put down enough wire for about 3 lines for every two homes. That was all well and fine until isdn(way to far out for dsl) came around. Now those people cannot get better than dial up becuase they are no more lines open to use. So no, across the majority of the central core(ND straight south to TX) there is no available copper open. That copper is currently mostly in use for regular pots. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? Uh, you can run DSL on the same pair as copper. Pretty sure that's what happens 95% of the time. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
2 edits | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? You can use one pair for phone or for ISDN but not both at the same time and there are only so many pairs buried (3 pairs for each pair of homes is common in rural areas). And again, DSL is not even available in most of these areas due to distance limitations. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? Why are we talking about ISDN? Nobody uses ISDN, and it can't go 1 Mbps anyway.
DSL uses higher frequencies on the line so DSL + POTS can be on one line. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO 1 edit | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? Because the limit of DSL is about 3 miles. Lots of these homes are 20 miles or further from the CO or a RT.
And yes ISDN is in use in many of these areas, where lines are available. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |   Duramax08 Oh rly? Premium join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? Start milking the crap out of that copper. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx
join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: 1 Mbps a ploy? Hey, I'd rather have DOCSIS 3 than copper and fiber than DOCSIS 3, but I'll take what I can get. Also, if the copper is cheaper for similar speeds, I'll take the copper. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
| Either way they are going to have to bury new line. It is not going to be just a RT here and there it is going to be a lot of RTs (even at 5 miles). Since the inner circles (assuming radiating out from a town) are going to be passed by fiber (which is what feeds RTs) anyway, it is probably just as cost effective to run straight fiber. Yes, from the last RT out it would be much cheaper to just put in a RT(no new stuff to be buried), but between the last RT and the CO you are not going to see a huge difference in price. | |
|   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| No excuse.. There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse.
This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
|  |  Lazlow
join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | Re: No excuse.. While I agree that all homes in the US should have(decent, 5Mbps+) internet access, there is a valid reason that it cannot be dsl in many areas. DSL can only be so far from a remote terminal (2000ft?) and in many areas in the US the homes are further apart than that. It also would not be cost effective to put in a DSL RT for every household. The other reason is that in many of these areas there simply are not enough extra lines available to supply everyone with a DSL line. Which means you have to bury new stuff. Why install old technology when you can install fiber for essentially the same cost? | |
|  |  |   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| Re: No excuse.. I understand the distance limitation. Again, this isn't a valid excuse. They haven't made an effort. Instead, they cherry pick and then call it a day.
There is simply no excuse that every home in the U.S., by now, does not have access to a reliable Internet. They've had 10+ years to get around to wiring our country. -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
|  |  NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. You can always build up a network and make it happen if you like. | |
|  |  |   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| Re: No excuse.. said by NOCTech75 :said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. You can always build up a network and make it happen if you like. It'd be impossible. I'd spend more time in litigation than actually building the network. The telco's and cable companies would see that my funding would all be spent in court and not in the actual network. -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
|  |  |  |  NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: No excuse.. said by Rob :said by NOCTech75 :said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. You can always build up a network and make it happen if you like. It'd be impossible. I'd spend more time in litigation than actually building the network. The telco's and cable companies would see that my funding would all be spent in court and not in the actual network. Why not a be a do-er instead of asking someone else to do it? | |
|  |  |  |  |   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| Re: No excuse.. said by NOCTech75 :Why not a be a do-er instead of asking someone else to do it? This attitude is why we're falling behind. How about we actually hold these companies to their promises? We make franchise agreements with them. We give them billions in tax credits and subsidies and what do we have to show for it?
I don't need to build anything, we need to force them to hold up their end of the deal. -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: No excuse.. said by Rob :said by NOCTech75 :Why not a be a do-er instead of asking someone else to do it? This attitude is why we're falling behind. How about we actually hold these companies to their promises? We make franchise agreements with them. We give them billions in tax credits and subsidies and what do we have to show for it? I don't need to build anything, we need to force them to hold up their end of the deal. That's working well. Once you have identified something as not working as you have... you either push harder or in the bright glare of reality you go another route. At what point will you go the other route? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH | Re: No excuse.. Stop being such a troll NOC. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  chimera
join:2009-06-09 Washington, DC
| Re: No excuse.. I don't think he's being a troll here as much as he's just being honest. DSL stations need to be within 5 miles (measured by cabling not as the crow flies) from every one of locations that they service. These cost a lot of money to build and maintain. Just like we don't expect a well maintained paved road built out to a single cot deep out in the woods we shouldn't expect anything except wireless "high speed" internet there either. | |
|  |  |  |  |   Van Premium join:2009-07-08 Washington, DC | Because he can't do it for the reasons he stated above
Simply ignoring what he said as if it doesn't exist tells me you understand the reasons he can't and simply don't want to acknowledge them | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  NOCTech75
join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA | Re: No excuse.. I'm glad the "I can't" philosophy has taken over. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |   Van Premium join:2009-07-08 Washington, DC | Not a philisophy, just reality . | |
|  |   hobgoblin Sortof Agoblin Premium join:2001-11-25 Orchard Park, NY clubs:
| said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. So are you saying that a public company (lets say Comcast) has to run cable to every home in their footprint no matter how rural it is? This may mean that they may never get a return on their investement?
ROI is a very valid excuse for a company whose sole purpose is to make money. Telco's and Cable companies are not charities.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
| |
|  |  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: No excuse.. I think everybody agrees on this. The question now is how to subsidize these deployments. | |
|  |  |  |  See 13 replies to this post | |
 |  |   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| said by hobgoblin :said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. So are you saying that a public company (lets say Comcast) has to run cable to every home in their footprint no matter how rural it is? This may mean that they may never get a return on their investement? ROI is a very valid excuse for a company whose sole purpose is to make money. Telco's and Cable companies are not charities. Hob I understand they aren't charities, but if they want to have franchise agreements that gives them sole control as the provider in that market, then yes, they need to run cable to every home in their footprint.
Just look at how far BellSouth went when Lafayette wanted to run their own fiber network.
-- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us | |
|  |  |   karlmarx
join:2006-09-18 iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Umm, actually, YES, Comcast has to run cable to EVERY HOME in their footprint, at least in the states that haven't been bought by the telco's. Part of the agreement to let comcrap (and telcos) to use the poles (owned by electric company), is that the LOCAL BOARD forces them to provide telephone and cable to anyplace that has electricity. At least that's the way it is where I live. And guess what, the LOCAL board is a GOOD thing. Every home has electricity, telephone and cable BECAUSE it's a MONOPOLY. Guess what, telcos and cables do not have a right to RIP OFF PEOPLE simply BECAUSE they are a monopoly, in fact, their profits should be LIMITED because they are a monopoly, -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! | |
|  |  |  |   No CATV
@verizon.net | Re: No excuse.. That may be true in your area, but in mine, the CATV company only has to place cable down a road that has a minimum of 20 subscribers per mile. | |
|  |  |  |  RayW Premium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT clubs:
·XMission
| said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. 1. I am over 8 miles from the central office on what is called pair gained lines. Dial up was a screaming 9-15K, usually, if I was lucky. We got DSL (so the rumor has it) because two state congress peoples lived in my area and QWEST put a remote DSL feed (aka DSLAM) near me while they were buying votes to make UTOPIA illegal (since most people here voted for it, despite the propaganda).
2. I like how SOME people gripe about communities building their own infrastructure with taxes and bonds because the incumbents won't do it, but it is okay to give our tax money to those same incumbents to waste on boats and parties and to buy high level politicians to pass favorable laws protecting them. So like you said, stop giving them tax payer dollars. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
|  |  Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22 Des Plaines, IL
| said by Rob :There's simply no excuse why every home in the U.S. cannot subscribe to DSL. If they have access to a phone line, they should have access to DSL. The same goes with cable TV. There's just no valid excuse. This is why I don't support giving any funding to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon or any of the big companies to expand their network. IMO, they haven't made the effort, and therefore don't deserve any help. With cable if you are far out from the headend you can have hard time getting digital cable and HSI. | |
|  |  |   anon999
@rr.com | Re: No excuse.. With cable if you are far out from the headend you can have hard time getting digital cable and HSI.
~~~~~
In theory that won't matter since most cable cos push fiber to a node and run coax from the node to the homes. | |
|  |   joako Premium join:2000-09-07 /dev/null | I don't know why AT&T, etc haven't thought about it, get bent to hell in debt rolling out a nationwide fiber network. Demand a bailout. AT&T is too big to fail. -- PRescott7-2097 | |
|   Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| There is talk of this in the spend happy congress There is talk of raising the Gore Tax in order to expand broadband across the country, which is fine on the face of it but I am afraid it will stay like the Gore Tax is presently a pork barrel re-election slush fund with the money going to everywhere but where it is supposed to. I don't think broadband is a God given right, but having said this such a infrastructure is of great importance to the future economy of the United States. Just think what it would mean to a family man being able to tele commute and work for a company in another part of the country while living where he can raise a family in a good environment. -- I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain in Eruption | |
|   kapil The Kapil
join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL
| LMAO. Broadband. As a Right? LMAO. Broadband. As a Right? And in the good ol' U S of A, we're still fighting over whether access to a doctor can resemble anything close to a "right" instead of a commodity to be sold, negotiated and traded. A little behind the curve, we are. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com | |
|   jmn1207 Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Future Service I'm curious to see where this will lead. In 5-10 years, will Spain have a bunch of people with a minimum level of service and few options for improved performance, or might this spark a quick escalation of faster speeds throughout the country?
Call me selfish, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice a chance to have 100Mbps symmetrical speeds in most major metropolitan areas in the near future at the expense of hooking up everyone with 1.5/384 DSL service. This move might contribute to a level of mediocrity for many customers that would have otherwise seen excellent advances in technology.
I guess we will soon see. I can honestly say that I will be surprised if this is actually going to be an overall benefit to the people of Spain, as a whole. | |
|  |  |  See 6 replies to this post | |
 ja2007123
join:2007-10-06 | Good I think Broadband will become an important utility in the near future in the US. It will replace POTS eventually and will be a big competition to regular Cable tv. | |
|  |   DavidHassel Guarding Lives Premium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL clubs: | Re: Good i haven't used pots in years. i only have PCI modems for nostalgia -- sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps | |
|   Fox McCloud Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23 | Great!
Awesome, the State mandating theft and ownership of someone else's property! | |
|  DufiefData
join:2006-06-13 Gaithersburg, MD
| A "legal right"? What stupidity! I propose we make gluten-free bread, organic soymilk and mint-waxed dental floss "legal rights" also.
Why would anybody even want to try inflicting such foolishness on the US? The Universal Service Fee scam already costs billions of dollars. Isn't that enough? | |
|  |  |  BPLSUCKS
join:2006-04-26 Grand Ledge, MI
| Think if MA Bell were still around If MA bell were still around and we had a REGULATED monopoly we would probably have FTTH by now. A regulated monopoly works much better than an unregulated tri-opoly (Qwest, Verizon, AT&T) combined with CLEC's. With a monopoly all that would need to happen is the government say "you deploy ftth to every home over the next 5 years or face massive fines". Guess what happens in 5 years? FTTH gets deployed. At times I miss MA Bell because at least we got all the latest and greatest things all at the same time. None of this cherry picking crap. | |
|   Chuck Carlso
@teksavvy.com
| Spain Declares Broadband A Legal Right Canada threw all their money at throttle boxes to limit the subscriber to 30 kilobytes per second but only when they're awake. In Canada you have a legal right to download and upload at 30 kilobytes per second no matter how fast you think your connection is. | |
|   Somnambul33t L33t. Premium join:2002-12-05 Mullica Hill, NJ clubs:
·Comcast
| huh? has anyone looked up the estimated national debt of Spain? as a factor of % of GDP, it's estimated to be close to ours, which is about 500% debt of GDP and COMPLETELY unsustainable!
also, i fail to see where in the US Constitution it says that broadband access is a right... | |
|  |  See 10 replies to this post | |
  Robotics See You On The Dark Side Premium join:2003-10-23 Louisa, VA
·Comcast
·Verizon Wireless B..
| We ARE Behind You know, what I think is crazy...and I see it a lot in my state (Va.) and I'm sure its everywhere in all states. But I'm sticking to my state on this.
Our cable service to my county comes from the "city" 40 miles away. This line that comes from "the city" runs down this one main road for over 25 miles. Its a straight road for the most part. Plenty of house's on this street. True some might be a bit off the road, but many are not. Yet they have this main line coming down their street, and are told they cant get cable at their dwellings. Side roads off this main street have many house, and small HOA clusters...yet no cable going down them...and these houses are not far off the roads at all.
This has never made sense to me. And I'm sure they have good "excuses" for why its the way it is.
So you add that up at all the locations this happens, and you see why we are so behind others (outside the US).
Just in the few adjacent counties in my area I see this repeatedly time and time again. It would be so many more customers for them. I just don't get it. I know the length of runs from the drop to the house are an issue. So those are SOL. But what about all the others that have the darn main line running down the front of their yards and their houses are no more than 40 feet off the road, and the actual poles and lines are even closer to their house (buy several feet) in the right-away, which puts it even closer to these houses.
At this rate...there is no way in hell our govt. could mandate something as what Spain is doing. And forget dsl in these areas. You know they aren't going to build CO's all over the place to cover that aspect.
Cable company's are slow to do anything, period. Even when it is clear as day certain areas should have cable. Darn, was I just ranting? Maybe this will get bumped elsewhere on here. But that's how I see it. -- Long you live and high you fly and Smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be. | |
|  mlcarson
join:2001-09-20 Las Cruces, NM
| National fiber infrastructure Bottomline is that the USA needs a national fiber infrastructure or those that are unserved will continue to be unserved. It's a waste of resources to continue to rebuild the infrastructure on a company by company basis in urban areas. Do it once for everybody the right way -- and that would be fiber to the home.
How far would a trillion dollars go to cover that in rural areas? | |
|   quatra Premium join:2003-06-22 Matthews, NC | satellite internet? Isn't satellite internet available everywhere? I just don't think it's possible to have 100% (or even 99%) of homes in the U.S. wired to low-latency high-bandwidth connections. | |
|   Alltel
@alltel.net
| Building Out I feel the major problem with broadband services is the companys' are willing to pay to upgrade the service as long as they dont have to expand the service to other areas and thats why areas in the U.S don't have service in all the areas yet. Think about all the money spent to upgrade to docsis 3.0 and I know that everyone wants to go faster but I felt when it hit 10MBS that, that was enough for maost users and now maybe we can expand the service. | |
|  samduh
join:2009-11-20 | dsl i pay 70 a month for 756/526 on mine yall all got it made i get ripped here  | |
|  io chico
join:2003-12-30 Chico, CA
·DigitalPath
·HughesNet Satellit..
| Smug I've read all these comments and it seems that many people need to get off their smug butts and go visit someone who is actually using dialup. I help out a friend who lives rurally and can't afford satellite. She uses her only phone line for internet. On dialup, I can't even use tab browsing on Firefox. And every time I click on a link, it takes 1 to 1 1/2 MINUTES to open the page. No lie. Try using that yourself.
I live rurally. I put up with satellite for 6 very long years. $59.99 monthly for a 200Mbps daily cap at 500-700/70 kbps. The setup fees were about $250 for the modem and $125 for the install. Many people can't afford that.
We live in a civilized nation. At least twice in the past our gov't has ponied up to roll out a national utility service. In the 1890's we had the RFD, Rural Free Delivery. Getting mail to all US citizens no matter where you lived. The act was controversial because of the extreme expense involved. And in 1935, we had REA, Rural Electric Administration. The same naysayers involved in that era. I suspect the gov't helped out Ma Bell too.
Broadband is a utility. Stop arguing about "Why" and come up with answers. Even 1 Mbps would bring our Nation into the 20th century, let alone the 21st... -- Happy DigitalPath customer | Vista&Win7 laptop | XP | Ubuntu Dapper | msi wind U123 Win7&XP | Firefox only | ZyXEL router p-330w | |
|  | |  |
|
|