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join:2003-12-16
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| Re: Hope he gets MANY years in jail .... Then he will be right back on the horse after he gets out. | |
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
| said by TK Junk Mail  :.... but since he pled guilty and promised to show feds where he hid his money, he undoubtedly got some deal. I doubt he will spend more than a year or two in jail.
The Judge in this case, Marsha Pechman, has a history of fairly tough sentences, even in plea bargains, and against recommendation of other federal agencies.
Since he's claiming backruptcy (mostly due to unpayed judgements in other cases) both the fed's and the Judge aren't likely to be swayed.
I'd guess 10-20 years, out in 7-10 if he's good (not really his forte) | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Hope he gets MANY years in jail .... said by tshirt :said by TK Junk Mail :.... but since he pled guilty and promised to show feds where he hid his money, he undoubtedly got some deal. I doubt he will spend more than a year or two in jail. The Judge in this case, Marsha Pechman, has a history of fairly tough sentences, even in plea bargains, and against recommendation of other federal agencies. Since he's claiming backruptcy (mostly due to unpayed judgements in other cases) both the fed's and the Judge aren't likely to be swayed. I'd guess 10-20 years, out in 7-10 if he's good (not really his forte) In federal cases the most time you can shave off is about 10%. | |
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27892353
Delete Yourself.
join:2007-11-06
USA | Yup He won't go to a FCI or USP. He's headed to camp to live in a dorm style environment with other low level offenders. | |
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| james1
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | To be fair, he really doesn't belong in a real prison, as long as he's kept away from his spam empire we'll be happy. Besides, the real prisons are already packed with murderers, rapists, and people who were caught with a joint. | |
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GroovyPhoenx
join:2006-05-22
Gloucester, ON | Justice... Justice would be gettign him to go clean out a few mailboxes, removing spamware and spyware on systems and having him see the actual damages he caused people.
Putin ghim in jail will only be a preventive measure. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
Levittown, PA | Re: Justice... You mean make him work for Geek Squad and do weekend stints at Verizon Phone support? 
Now THAT would be justice!!! | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | Re: Justice... and give him access to more computers as well as peoples phone/ss#'s? NOOOOOOOO  | |
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
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Justice would be gettign him to go clean out a few mailboxes, removing spamware and spyware on systems and having him see the actual damages he caused people.
I doubt these scumbags care what damage they do,they are worthless trash that shouldnt be allowed on the net..... | |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Re: Why is the government going after a businessman? Who cares if he gets prison time or not. If he does, someone else will take his place. If he doesn't he'll start right back up again.
They aren't cutting off the head of the snake. If the government truly wants to stop spam they need to take out the companies paying people like him. But they don't.
Why?
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| | moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: Why is the government going after a businessman? said by Wills :They aren't cutting off the head of the snake. If the government truly wants to stop spam they need to take out the companies paying people like him. But they don't. DING DING DING!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNAR!!!!!!!
Just like illegal aliens. Sending them back does nothing. Start putting fines on the companies that hire them and see how fast they stop coming here. | |
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toadlife
Premium
join:2004-05-03
Coalinga, CA | Re: Why is the government going after a businessman? The problem with that is the majority of companies that advertise via spam (penis enlargement/pharmaceuticals) are in countries that don't care about our laws. | |
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God
Having no fun in Vilseck Germany
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join:2002-07-01
Taji, Iraq
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caddyroger
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Graham, WA
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| said by Wills :Who cares if he gets prison time or not. If he does, someone else will take his place. If he doesn't he'll start right back up again. They aren't cutting off the head of the snake. If the government truly wants to stop spam they need to take out the companies paying people like him. But they don't. Why? It like the theft of music movies and software you not going to stop it.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
clubs:
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·Comcast
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| Re: Why is the government going after a businessman? said by caddyroger :said by Wills :Who cares if he gets prison time or not. If he does, someone else will take his place. If he doesn't he'll start right back up again. They aren't cutting off the head of the snake. If the government truly wants to stop spam they need to take out the companies paying people like him. But they don't. Why? It like the theft of music movies and software you not going to stop it. This sums it up right here.
The email system is flawed. We are using a system that was created 20+ years ago. Spam is a monster problem and placing this guy in prison will do nothing to stop it. Sure, his spam is gone, but we will have more people pop up to take his place. | |
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA
| It's just spam. I think this is blown way out of proportion, spam is not some serious threat, unless you are a complete idiot and believe the Viagra advertisements. I think he should do 1-2 years MAX, and give back all of the money. What is this country coming to... | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Re: It's just spam. said by Underplay :I think this is blown way out of proportion, spam is not some serious threat, unless you are a complete idiot and believe the Viagra advertisements. I think he should do 1-2 years MAX, and give back all of the money. What is this country coming to... Wrong, this amount of money that this activity costs businesses in order to prevent alone is worth puting him in jail for 100+ years! | |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| "I think this is blown way out of proportion, spam is not some serious threat, unless you are a complete idiot and believe the Viagra advertisements. I think he should do 1-2 years MAX, and give back all of the money. What is this country coming to..."
Spam is a serious threat. It wastes bandwith (upwards or already there spam accounts for 80% =/- of all email), not everyone is savvy enough to clean up the mess left behind in it's wake, i.e. spyware, parasites, and virii, and even root kits. If that isn't a serious threat I don't know what it is.Oh, I almost forgot,we didn't ask for it!Peace
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join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA
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March 17th, @10:33AM
| Re: It's just spam. said by woody7 :Spam is a serious threat. It wastes bandwith (upwards or already there spam accounts for 80% =/- of all email), not everyone is savvy enough to clean up the mess left behind in it's wake, i.e. spyware, parasites, and virii, and even root kits. If that isn't a serious threat I don't know what it is.Oh, I almost forgot,we didn't ask for it!Peace Alright you do have a point, but it just seems like its going to be yet another endless war(the war on spam). And its something that they cant prevent. No matter how many people you throw in jail, or for how long, The profit is there to be made. | |
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Meh37
@verizon.net
| Re: It's just spam. Hmmm... how to stop spam... ? Just the highlights:
1) Make all spam illegal. (What is spam? Anything you didn't opt-in for from someone trying to get something from you--too simplistic a definition, but the key word there is "opt-in".)
2) Prosecute the spammer. Prosecute the ones who hire the spammer.
3) License anyone who wants to send "bulk" email.
4) Have a "Do Not Bulk Email" me list that's actually used and enforced (just kidding... sorta )
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica | Re: It's just spam. So, if I want you to be my friend, and email you, I'm spamming? Perhaps a better definition would be "for commercial or political gain" | |
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Meh37
@verizon.net
| Re: It's just spam. Well, that's why I said "too simplistic". And let's not leave out those charitable organizations. Spamming involves sending out thousands, or millions!, of emails, not one or a "few"... ohhh, you knew what I meant, eh? (Of course, sending out only one offer of "I want to be your friend... for a small fee" might still be considered spam by some, and just an annoyance to others, but that small 5% of people that actually like to receive spam might enjoy it and even take you up on your offer. ) | |
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Re: It's just spam. I don't want charities emailing me either though. A couple of times I've donated to some of them, and they've sent me so many letters that they've easily gone through more than what I donated. Thanks for wasting my donation charities.
Now I just donate my time, fixing old ladies computers for free. Charity should be personal. | |
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join:2006-03-01
Perris, CA | I guess "according to you " any crime for that matter should go un punish . since is always gonna be somebody killing some one . or somebody stealing cars or breaking through people's homes .. whoever we caught should go un punish ....THIS IS GREAT | |
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica | Re: It's just spam. You should be glad there is no punishment for bad spelling. | |
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join:2006-03-01
Perris, CA | Re: It's just spam. i am | |
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| | james1
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Re: It's just spam. We do have to agree that if it wasn't profitable for companies to spam, they wouldn't bother. Spammers aren't doing it to annoy us, they do it because there is some idiot out there with a small penis, who wants to work from home while eating all they want and shedding 10 pounds every week. I blame that guy. | |
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voiplover
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join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH | 26 years isn't enough! | |
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| Phatty
join:2000-05-10
Valley Park, MO
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·Charter Pipeline
| said by Underplay :I think this is blown way out of proportion, spam is not some serious threat, unless you are a complete idiot and believe the Viagra advertisements. I think he should do 1-2 years MAX, and give back all of the money. What is this country coming to... I agree it is horrible how crazy our government gets as it would seem its goal is to imprison all of its citizens. There is no reason at all for such a long prison sentence as people seem to forget the idea is to teach a person what they did is wrong and set them on the right path when released. Non violent crimes like this should never see a jail term longer than a 2 or 3 years. | |
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ProfitFromCRIME
@comcast.net | The only good SPAMMER is a dead Spammer ! They should hang this scumbag by his nuts and beat him with a 2 x 4 for a month, then throw his arse in prison for 25 years. But they won't.
SOS, DD. | |
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join:2005-07-15
Gulliver, MI | Re: The only good SPAMMER is a dead Spammer ! Since he most likely have the money bribes will work for him and he probably will get away with 6 months probation | |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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join:2000-11-08
Underway
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March 17th, @12:52PM
| FUSSPWhile I believe that jailing spammers (Thieves and vandals) is a good thing, it certainly is not a solution.
A fairly airtight solution would be simple, and "Capitalistic". What if, at the end of the month, you were able to add up all the bytes of spam in your spam folder, and then get a rebate from your ISP for every byte of spam you receive? Let's say a $.01/KB rebate on your monthly access charge? OR! spam from ISP to ISP MTA gateway traffic is billed as a nuisance fee to the sending MTA. OR a combination of the two.
Dangle another revenue source to ISPs and they will probably jump at it. If spam costs providers money, the problem would cease. Spammers would lose access, get prosecuted, get blocked.... all at the ISP level.
Until some sort of real re-chargeable cost is associated with spam, it will never stop; you have to assign and collect a monetary cost to the problem.
In the OP article's example of 20,000 spams for 15 days, we have 300,000 spam mails. Let's say an average of 1KB/Spam we have 3,000,000 bytes, at $.01/byte we have a gain/loss of revenue possibility of $3000.00. And that's just one run from one spammer. The potential to make spam too expensive is great.
There must be a creative way to simply make spamming too expensive to be profitable. One very simple way is to charge for email. If everyone were allowed 10,000 emails/Month free, then $.01/email spammers could not function., and legitimate email users would not feel a thing.
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dbcool
join:2002-11-10
Post Falls, ID | 26years 26 years for spamming, There are muderers and child molesters out there that get a lesser sentance! I do not like spammin or condone it, but hell thats just not right. | |
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robertpil
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join:2005-02-19
Barnegat, NJ | Re: 26years May he burn in hell !!! | |
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| MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA
| Got to consider and add-in the economic and overall scope as spammers cause many millions in aggregate damage each(through used time of end users, server and network bandwidth, compromising others stuff to relay, etc., etc..)
They are both severe in their own ways and have costs associated.
What is the singular cost of a killed/damaged person and what is the incremental cost of a spammer on society-at-large? One hurts a few people very severely, the other hurts a very many people a tiny bit each. They both have societal costs that add up. It is a numbers game. | |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC | To much 26 yrs for spam, i mean i hate it but not that much to where i have to have my taxes go up for 26yrs | |
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the_dan
join:2007-06-25
Kelowna, BC
·TELUS
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26 years of prison for sending out spam? (Lots of it though)
I just don't think that's right. Leave the prisons for murderers and alike.
I think situations like this should call for some alternative justice. How about Probation and not being allowed to own/operate a company or own a PC? How about community service? Put him to work on something constructive. | |
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DeeplyShrouded
@comcast.net | Re: Jail? I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Whitelist. If you're not in my addressbook, I don't see
your email. Simple, and it works.
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margaf77
join:2000-12-22
Rego Park, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Im scared I am worried this may cause me to miss the latest information on penis enlargement and counterfeit Viagra. And what if I miss out on those women who are just dying to see my pic. Its a sad day indeed. /SARCASM
I hope he gets a nice long rest at one of our fine federal correctional facilities. | |
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nobigdeal
@com.cn | spam king gets 26 years I don't even see spam as a crime. It is no more than an annoyance. Leave the poor guy alone. | |
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join:2007-07-29
Windsor, ON
·Bell Sympatico
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| ok..not right This guy get 26 years for spamming.. and theres people that get way less for VIOLENT crimes..
Max I'd say is 3 years. Thats 26 years of someone life, going to jail is not suposed to put you away for good but to help you understand what you did was wrong and get back on the right track.
When and if this guy goes to jail for 20+ years he'll be pissed.. when he comes out hell do the same thing..
Why not ask him who hired him or MAKE him say who hired him and punish them? | |
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Spam King Faces 26 Years In Jail
Hope he gets MANY years in jail ....
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The Dude was broke?