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| We can only hope that . . . . . . it's only a matter of time before spammers REALLY overstep and shoot themselves in the foot with their latest, greatest spam technique, raising the ire of those who receive it, whitehat ISPs and enforcement agencies. Once they do that, the genie's out of the bottle, and it'll be open season on spammers, blackhat spam support hosts, blackhat registrars, and blackhat ISPs. They'll be IDPd to death.
This subminial "spamvertising" is just one more step down that road.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: We can only hope that . . . said by newview  :. . . it's only a matter of time before spammers REALLY overstep and shoot themselves in the foot with their latest, greatest spam technique, raising the ire of those who receive it, whitehat ISPs and enforcement agencies. Once they do that, the genie's out of the bottle, and it'll be open season on spammers, blackhat spam support hosts, blackhat registrars, and blackhat ISPs. They'll be IDPd to death. This subminial "spamvertising" is just one more step down that road. SPAM will continue to grow and grow because we, as a society, don't do near enough to stop it.
First off, we know where this stuff is coming from. Yet, all we do is give them a slap on the wrist.
Secondly, lots of spam comes from overseas. We can't even get approval to go after criminals in other countries. Spammers have a free reign.
Here is what needs to be done:
- For spam that says visit a website (porn or otherwise), the website needs to be either taken down or removed from the DNS servers (so the name can't resolve easily.) No traffic = no money.
- Any webhost or ISP that allows spam to originate from its system, whether through an open relay, infected systems or "pink" contracts, needs to be black listed until they either remove the offending users or, in the case of multiple infractions (such as "pink" contracts), they need to be IP black-listed. Sorry, but looking the other way is no excuse anymore. (This would require timely resolution of abuse complaints not send and email and wait forever.)
- Go after the products. In the case of hard products, then go after the company that makes it and FORCE them to give up who is selling it.
- Tougher penalties. Some little script kiddie uses bots to spam, then he should be forbidden from using a computer or any device with web or net access. Violate that provision, go to a real jail.
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rolande
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| Re: We can only hope that . . . said by moonpuppy :Here is what needs to be done: - For spam that says visit a website (porn or otherwise), the website needs to be either taken down or removed from the DNS servers (so the name can't resolve easily.) No traffic = no money. Unfortunately, the smart spammers understand the value of an open proxy and build tough to crack botnets of open proxies to round-robin redirect their traffic through.
said by moonpuppy :- Any webhost or ISP that allows spam to originate from its system, whether through an open relay, infected systems or "pink" contracts, needs to be black listed until they either remove the offending users or, in the case of multiple infractions (such as "pink" contracts), they need to be IP black-listed. Sorry, but looking the other way is no excuse anymore. (This would require timely resolution of abuse complaints not send and email and wait forever.) Doesn't this already happen with the wide variety of DNS BlackList services out there?
said by moonpuppy :- Go after the products. In the case of hard products, then go after the company that makes it and FORCE them to give up who is selling it. If it were only that easy. Even if they wanted to, many of these companies can not control or identify their resellers that are using these tactics.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: We can only hope that . . . Yes, spammers know the value of open proxies but they still have to get paid. There has to be a money trail somewhere. It's what even got Al Capone to go to jail.
There are many DNS blacklists BUT how many sites are hijacked for "phishing sites" and still stay up for weeks? Look in the "Scambusters" forum we have here. »Spam, Scam and Phishbusters
They sometimes show sites up for days or weeks and nothing is done.
Even if it is a university site, and the "phish" stays up for more than a few hours, then it should be blacklisted until the offending page comes down. No one wants to do this because of the time and money it costs yet how much is spent combating spam and phishing schemes already?
Resellers are not that hard to find. Again, time, money and effort are needed but they can be found and once found, they need to be hit with severe CIVIL penalties. No one cares about going to jail anymore, hit them where it hurts more; in the wallet. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: We can only hope that . . . Al Capone went to jail because he didn't pay taxes... not because he let his "money trail" be known. | |
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@shawcable.net | Re: We can only hope that . . . Well, really, if he didn't "let his money trail be known." how would they have been able to prove tax evasion? | |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
 ·Comcast
| What's sad is that spam would completely go away if there weren't people who actually bought the stuff. If only one person out of a few hundred thousand actually buys the crap being sold, it is profitable to the spammer.
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Anon123455
@co.uk | Re: We can only hope that . . . 0.03% of spam results in someone buying something thats 1 in every 3,333 spam e-mails...... A LOT of people buy from it..... | |
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AnonProxy
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join:2001-05-12
ß | Why is this news? It's been going on for years...the animated gif thing. | |
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| Bangy
join:2000-12-20
Lincoln, RI
| Subliminal advertising has been debunked as pure BS. It just reveals that such crap spam originates in countries/continents like Africa and Eastern Europe where people swallow this guff without question and think its works.
The spammers are simply making themselves look like asses. | |
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SkyDude
join:2000-11-19
Raynham, MA
| What to buy? Is this like the old movie trick, where they'd flash a frame onscreen that said "POPCORN" and a few minutes later, the snack bar was overrun with popcorn buyers?
Hmmm... I could use some popcorn right about now. Goes well with my morning coffee. | |
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| Re: What to buy? I've worked in the movie exhibition for 40 years. I've never heard of this actually being done. Its probably an urban legend. A few movies featured this technique. Words like "blood" or "scream" were placed in single frames of the film, supposedly to make lame horror movies scary. The result was clearly visible on the screen and certainly not sub-liminal. And it didnt work...just got a few snickers.
I've heard of a guy who programed his comupter to flash the phrase "hunger is pleasure" every so often for a much shorter period than one movie frame lasts. Supposedly he lost a lot of weight. But nobody seems to be able to find any information on this experiment so.....probably another myth. | |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | Re: Never see these Spam messages Which means no income for spammers and they slowly start off starving. | |
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Nanoprobe
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Orlando, FL
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| Re: Never see these Spam messages said by TK Junk Mail :My Spam filters(1st Comcasts, & then Gmail) catch near everything. But if 1 does make it thru both filters, Gmail doesn't display any images by default. So something like this would never have a chance of being seen by me. That's why I love Mailwasher. Blacklisting the most notorious domains and filters have left me spam free, spam free, hallelujah, I'm spam free. 
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MadMANN
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join:2005-08-19
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| Re: Has subliminal advertising ever worked? This reminds me of the days where rock bands were accused of hiding subliminal satanic messages in records.
Morac, I am sure you are right. Most people would not be affected by this nonsense. They are definitely desperate.
Here's an idea: Create an HONEST and less annoying internet business. Oh, but that would be too much work, huh?  | |
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
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| We need more Russians Why can't Americans be more like the Russian on this front, and kill these spammers phyiscally?
God bless the people who killed that Russian spammer in his home.
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Rob
In Deo speramus
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Kendall, FL
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| Re: We need more Russians said by lawrence171 :Why can't Americans be more like the Russian on this front, and kill these spammers phyiscally? God bless the people who killed that Russian spammer in his home. Why can't the Canadians do it? 
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Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
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| Re: We need more Russians said by Rob :said by lawrence171 :Why can't Americans be more like the Russian on this front, and kill these spammers phyiscally? God bless the people who killed that Russian spammer in his home. Why can't the Canadians do it? Because there aren't much spam being pumped out of here.
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join:2006-01-08
| Pump and Dump Worsening Well I believe it says it, Pump and Dump spam is of the following,
Untrackable,
Untraceable,
unstoppable,
and unavoidable,
and in many cases they may triple the amount we see and soon, may even carry hidden exploits to with Rootkits and really start spreading this difficult to remove spam to the point Email servers may go down, then they just killed one part of the internet,
and then the big virus may come after all of the opened proxies caused by this pump and dump spam, then game over for the internet.
Usually it will result in this. | |
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Spammers Use Subliminal Messages
Never see these Spam messages
Has subliminal advertising ever worked?