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Sprint: 1.5 Million iPhones Sold
iPhone, LTE Build Widens Losses, Builds Subscriber Base
by Karl Bode Thursday 26-Jul-2012 tags: business · wireless · wireless
Sprint's second quarter earnings once again show mixed results as the company tries to revamp itself to remain competitive with AT&T and Verizon. The company posted a widening net loss of $1.4 billion as the company pours money into launching LTE services, on top of having paid a steep premium to finally acquire the iPhone. Sprint says they sold 1.5 million iPhones during the second quarter, forty percent of which were postpaid (contract) customers. The company also says they saw postpaid net additions of 442,000, more than double the number added last quarter.

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While the company is seeing widening losses, Sprint executives feel it's necessary so they can not only launch LTE, but retrofit their entire array of base stations as part of a massive overhaul that will make the entire network more streamlined and energy efficient. The company's upgrade project involves replacing current network hardware and base stations capable of utilizing multiple bands, including the company's 800 MHz, 1.9 GHz spectrum, 4G 2.5 GHz WiMax, and LTE.

Recall too that Sprint actually tried to add even more moving parts into the mix with an acquisition of MetroPCS, which the Sprint board vetoed at the very last second. As for the huge premium Sprint paid for the iPhone, they don't expect to actually profit off the iPhone until 2015.

In the end, all of this should put Sprint in a much better position to compete with AT&T and Verizon, if they can financially survive the next few years. While Sprint continues to try and use unlimited smartphone data as a competitive edge, growing financial pressure means it's still likely that the unlimited data offer will die sometime during that time frame.

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iansltx

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Correction

Network Vision cell sites will never have WiMAX on them. To start, they'll have PCS 1x/EvDO/LTE turned on. Plus, in some caes, 1x at 800MHz. Later, they'll turn on LTE at 800MHz, once Nextel/iDEN is gone (RIP tape-measure-sized phones). Around this time, assuming they're still around, Clearwire's 2.5GHz TD-LTE will be integrated into that infrastructure on an as-needed capacity-focused basis. No WiMAX though.

Side note: until Sprint has LTE deployed over a large area (at least larger than AT&T), they'll have to keep unlimited data for smartphones as a differentiator to keep people on their service. Once they have a network that's as fast, if not faster, than AT&T/Verizon, then they might start looking for ways to increase revenue (i.e. limited plans). However my bet is that even then they'll have better pricing per gigabyte than Verizon or AT&T (I'd expect $30 to buy 5GB of data at that point).

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Where's the feet?

That vision multi-node base station is so high tech it the tower doesn't even touch the ground.

Futuristic stuff (and crappy Photoshopping).
whiteyonenh

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Re: Where's the feet?

said by exocet_cm:

That vision multi-node base station is so high tech it the tower doesn't even touch the ground.

Futuristic stuff (and crappy Photoshopping).

Maybe it has below-grade concrete footing, and guywires that don't show in the pictures, who knows. Yes, I do also agree it could be due to crappy photoshop though.

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said by exocet_cm:

That vision multi-node base station is so high tech it the tower doesn't even touch the ground.

Futuristic stuff (and crappy Photoshopping).

The tower is right behind it? See that big red thing?

exocet_cm
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Re: Where's the feet?

It doesn't touch the concrete pad though.

duh

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Re: Where's the feet?

that's because it is behind the pad and not on it.

exocet_cm
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Re: Where's the feet?

said by duh :

that's because it is behind the pad and not on it.

I need glasses

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Re: Where's the feet?

said by exocet_cm:

said by duh :

that's because it is behind the pad and not on it.

I need glasses

I can see what you mean though. If it were supposed to be on the same pad, then I agree. But as someone else mentioned, it could be on a pad behind the little area of grass where you just cannot see the base.

Definitely an illusion depending on how you look at it.
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said by exocet_cm:

It doesn't touch the concrete pad though.

/\ What "duh" said....

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said by exocet_cm:

It doesn't touch the concrete pad though.

It doesnt need to... concrete pad is just for equipment.

n2jtx

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iPhone

I currently have an iPhone 4S with them and while the data performance can at best be described as unreliable, the voice and SMS service is fine. When my current two year commitment is up in October 2013, I might opt for an iPhone 5S or iPhone 6 (whatever they are calling it then) but that will really depend upon Sprint's unlock policy at that time. Right now, I am unlocked for international SIM cards but not domestic, which makes sense. However, if Sprint refuses to unlock fully at contract completion, I cannot see a reason to get yet another iPhone from Sprint since for domestic purposes, my current 4S will be basically useless (no I do not want to jailbreak it or use unofficial unlock methods).
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Re: iPhone

AT&T and Verizon have a more generous unlock policy for domestic?

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Re: iPhone

said by morbo:

AT&T and Verizon have a more generous unlock policy for domestic?

AT&T has the best unlock policy for completed contracts providing a full unlock. At this point, Verizon and Sprint's policies are the same as they will unlock for foreign SIM usage while under contract but there is no policy for full unlocking at contract completion. AT&T will not do any unlock before the contract is up.
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Go Sprint Go!

Go Sprint Go!
Just keep on trucking.

Best thing that ever happened to Sprint was the iPhone. Made the rest of this possible.
ArizonaSteve

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Re: Go Sprint Go!

When they get the LTE going won't it make all those 1.5 Million iPhones obsolete?

IPPlanMan
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Re: Go Sprint Go!

Given that the iPhone doesn't support LTE on any carrier, what's the difference for Sprint vs. others carriers?

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said by ArizonaSteve:

When they get the LTE going won't it make all those 1.5 Million iPhones obsolete?

Lets be honest, these days a phone seems obsolete 4 months after you get it.
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axus

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Re: Go Sprint Go!

I don't think it should be that way, but Sprint has no reason to care.

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I sure hope they can get their network speeds up. This is only 1 example so I know I'll catch grief for it, but I see this all the time. The 56k down is Sprint so-called 3G. Most times I see 150k or less. The 807kb down is forced 3G roaming on US Cellular minutes later at the same location. I've been all over Missouri, even in Sprint's backyard in Overland Park, and their 3G is always SLOW. I know these numbers mean next to nothing to the average Joe, but when it takes over 5 minutes to load Facebook, if it loads at all, people will say screw this!!
Cogdis

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Re: Go Sprint Go!

That is part of the network vision plan. Current 3G backhaul is terribly outdated in many places but it will be upgraded for both LTE and 3G.

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said by scott2020:

I sure hope they can get their network speeds up. This is only 1 example so I know I'll catch grief for it, but I see this all the time. The 56k down is Sprint so-called 3G. Most times I see 150k or less. The 807kb down is forced 3G roaming on US Cellular minutes later at the same location. I've been all over Missouri, even in Sprint's backyard in Overland Park, and their 3G is always SLOW. I know these numbers mean next to nothing to the average Joe, but when it takes over 5 minutes to load Facebook, if it loads at all, people will say screw this!!

The top speed is typical of what I see during the day on USCC, also. I also switched from Sprint, using the loophole of "material adverse changes" when they reduced my employer discount. Last night, I was getting about 1800 down on USCC! My cousin came over with his Sprint iPhone a few weeks ago. He couldn't even download this Speedtest app. Yeah, that's how bad it was!
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said by IPPlanMan:

Best thing that ever happened to Sprint was the iPhone. Made the rest of this possible.

Care to explain? The iPhone hasn't made anything possible...especially considering the huge cost to Sprint to even get it in the door.

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Re: Go Sprint Go!

Sprint has more subscribers than ever due to the iPhone.
Further investment in WiMax by Sprint would be throwing more money into a black hole. Dan Hesse realized that the company was at risk of slipping past an inflection point... a point of no return if substantial competitive changes weren't made. Hence, Network Vision and the iPhone. Sprint can afford the debt right now. The network needed a complete overhaul to be competitive and offer top of the line devices, and that's what Network Vision does.

The majority of people have come to Sprint specifically for the device and the price (unlimited data, etc). If Sprint wasn't offering the device they wanted, in this case the iPhone, they wouldn't be customers.

Truth is, most of these customers will stick around for the LTE iPhone when Sprint gets it this fall and Sprint will land quite a few new ones due to the price gouging that AT&T and Verizon are doing.
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Re: Go Sprint Go!

Sprint only added a net of 283K subs, all thanks to prepaid and MNVOs. So while the iPhone may have brought in a few new subs and retained some of the existing subs, I'm not sure that you can claim it as Sprint's savior...especially since the company says it won't make any money from the iPhone for three more years.

I agree that further investment in WiMax would be silly at this time.

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Re: Go Sprint Go!

I think that the iPhone is Sprint's savior.

WiMax was never going to go anywhere, and competitors (AT&T/Verizon) being able to offer an LTE iPhone and LTE iPad (which they currently do) would have left Sprint in the dust.

The fact that the next iPhone will be LTE has forced the idiot laggards (not Dan Hesse, who obviously gets it) at Sprint to realize that its network needed a complete overhaul and that devices drive customers.

Sprint would be in much worse shape without the iPhone, but they still need the iPad. It doesn't need to make money on the iPhone for the next three years. It just needs to buy time while the network vision pieces fall in place and there's a natural attrition from other carriers by people who are sick of price gouging and double dipping on data.

Sprint's going to be just fine.
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Re: Go Sprint Go!

I'm not suggesting the iPhone won't help Sprint a little (even with its insane cost), but I don't believe it's the "must have" device that it was a couple of years ago.

Sprint is getting by. When it gets further along with its Vision plan and if it continues gaining subs, it'll be doing better. Sprint needs to grow subs and revenue or else it risks sliding backwards again.

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Only reason I root for Sprint...is because I'm now on Boost Mobile, lol. $40/month for unlimited services is a pretty good price point.
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I feel like Apple is hurting themselves long term by charging phone companies so much money to use their phone. I'm not sure what they are buying besides permission.

T-mobile would have been better off with iPhone, maybe it would have avoided possibility of merger with AT&T. If paying all this money for the iPhone makes Sprint go under, Verizon + AT&T will inevitably get more control over the iPhone, and make it less profitable for Apple.

Maybe Apple's international market is big enough to make it not matter. They seem to be doing very well for themself, but it makes me wonder.
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Re: Go Sprint Go!

said by axus:

If paying all this money for the iPhone makes Sprint go under, Verizon + AT&T will inevitably get more control over the iPhone, and make it less profitable for Apple.

Wasn't an issue for Apple during AT&T's exclusivity. Wasn't an issue for Apple when VZ began with the iPhone last year. Apple has proven itself resilient with the pricing of most of its products...and I don't see that changing any time soon.
DarnellP

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There you go again, Karl...

While Sprint continues to try and use unlimited smartphone data as a competitive edge, growing financial pressure means it's still likely that the unlimited data offer will die sometime during that time frame.

Though you waited until the last sentence of your blog post, you just had to slip it in there. I'm sure everyone who frequents DSLR gets it, you think Sprint will eliminate unlimited data. Never mind that they have repeatedly stated their commitment to unlimited. Must you beat this drum on just every article about Sprint? And for what? So that maybe in five years you can say "See, I told ya so!"

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Re: There you go again, Karl...

They also repeatedly stated their Sprint "premium" services like the "new-every-year" phone offerings. Sprint, like every cell phone provider, is not beyond throwing customers under the bus should the finances call for it.
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Sprint

If they can get the Network Vision going and soon, then they will be in a good place. But...the way they have handled the LTE launch has gotten a lot of people mad in the launch cities who can
t find a LTE signal to lock in on. That and there seems to be some software radio issue with the EVO LTE, locking on 4G for a second then switching back to 3G, that they already knew about before it was released and still haven't fixed that problem. Also you got the tower software issue that the Sprint engineers knew about and admitted to where the towers wouldn't report issues. They just assume people are going to wait until they fix it with Network Vision.

I am glad I went with Cricket. Maybe once Sprint get their act together, I might entertain going back but it feels damn good being on prepaid and much cheaper too.

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Sprint - the 3G joke

I've been a Sprint customer for going on 12 years now. They have until the end of my contract (December) to get their crap together. If things aren't smooth by then, I'm gone. Sprint has been bad in the Chicago area for years now, but it has gotten terrible in the last six months. It's to the point now where if I don't have a 4G signal on my Evo, I can't do anything. Phone calls sound terrible. Text messages can take hours to go through. Their 3G is beyond worthless. Unlimited data is only cool if you can actually use it. Last year I was in the Boston area, and everything was great out there. Fast and responsive. So I know what Sprint can be. But they haven't been that out here in a long time.

I have no love for Verizon or AT&T (especially AT&T), but what's the point of paying each month for a service that I can barely use?

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Re: Sprint - the 3G joke

said by cookeys See Profile
I have no love for Verizon or AT&T (especially AT&T), but what's the point of paying each month for a service that I can barely use?

Would you consider US Cellular? I don't know what their service is like in Chicagoland, but in downstate, it's great! Yes, unfortunately USCC doesn't have a huge selection of phones, either. I have a feeling they're about ready to introduce a few more, though.


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Re: Sprint - the 3G joke

Sprint has been the step child of Wireless for years, but I am not sure why anyone would want to bail on them now.

I cannot find the prices I am paying for my two phones anywhere else, plus it is unlimited so the peace of mind is awesome. Add to that they are upgrading their entire network, which should be completed sometime in 2013, I will wait it out.

Verizon's shared data is a money grab, and AT&T is well, AT&T.
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Unfortunately, my experience with Sprint was largely the same. Their 3G is barely usable; it's been slowing down for the past two years. Who cares if you have unlimited data when you're getting barely dialup download speeds?

I'm fairly happy with Verizon's network, despite the cost. 3G speeds are acceptable, LTE is very fast and already covers a lot of territory, even though it drains battery at an alarming rate. Still, it's nice to have the 4G option when you want to watch a YouTube video in HQ.

tc1uscg

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Re: Sprint - the 3G joke

Hard to say. Over use? Bandwidth issues? Too many apples in the basket? (no pun intended). But just spent 8 days west of Pioneer OH. 3 bars on the backup NET10 phone I bought (for the claim it covered 99% of the population) and zero to 1 on my Sprint Motorola Admiral. My 3 bars NET10 (on ATT I assume, GSM) was dropping calls left and right (so, IMO, AT&T, you suck), it would go from 3 to zero to no service, then back to 3, sometimes 4. Sprint phone maintained calls even at zero bars. Even tethered it to my laptop for some web surfing in camp. Wasn't real fast but acceptable. I use to get 3-4 bars at my house. Now it's 2 most of the time (same Motorola phone).

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Sprint has big problems

With Sprint doing their "upgrades" and killing off of Nextel, they have been shutting down sites around here resulting in increasingly poor coverage. The Sprint replacements are no better in coverage. Rumor has it that nationwide corporate accounts may be looking elsewhere when contracts expire.
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Crappy Sprint coverage

From my perspective there is a reason Sprint's prices are lower than the other major carriers: coverage. Or more accurately, lack thereof. I had Sprint from April 2001 till this past January when I lived in Houston and the Dallas area. There were certain parts of both cities where my Sprint phones (several different Sanyo and Samsung modesl and a Motorola) would lose service while the other brands were fine. In March of 2010 I moved to Irving near DFW International Airport and I was lucky to have 1 bar and I had tons of dropped calls, or no ring but a few minutes later I'd get a voicmail. My roommate and neighbors on Verizon and AT&T never had any trouble. Sprint finally sent me an Airave for free which solved all the trouble. We moved to Illinois in March of 2011 and it was the same problem: his Verizon phone and other family on AT&T had great service while mine was mostly useless except at home with the Airave. This past January I took my phone number and got on Verizon and I'm not looking back. I'll pay a little extra a month so I can make phone calls when I want to. You get what you pay for.

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