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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
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1 edit |  What speeds & how good is coverage?
For example, coverage in Philly metro area is fairly limited to most parts of the city, but almost no suburbs where most of the metro population lives.
4G Wimax in BLUE:
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 |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
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1 edit | Re: What speeds & how good is coverage? said by ThrowDemsOut:They call it 4G, but what real life speeds are users getting and how widespread is coverage in the areas Sprint say they are in. For example, coverage in Philly metro area is fairly limited to most parts of the city, but almost no suburbs where most of the metro population lives. 4G Wimax in BLUE:» coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.js···offerbox The coverage in the Triad (Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point) and surprisingly, some pretty rural areas, is identical to what Clearwire covered with their Pre-WiMax service. That's about 2 hours of drive-time east to west represented on the map. Their 4G+3G unlimited plan at $70 is an extremely good deal. If one wanted to, you could use the 4G at home, then take it on the road and fall back to 3G when 4G wasn't available. | |
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Re: What speeds & how good is coverage? Not bad. It looks like they are already seeing upstream congestion though. A 50% fluctuation in bandwidth is pretty dramatic. | |
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| | | GOLFnSun, I would assume that 4G will eventually make its way into most of the surrounding Philly burbs. I live in the N.E. part of the city and im very tempted to sign up. I wonder how long the service will stay "uncapped" though? | |
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|  w0go.O
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Springfield, OR | 
This is Clear, Sprint upload is in the 4-5Mbps range with downloads at 16Mbps.
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| | ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
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kudos:4 | Re: What speeds & how good is coverage? said by w0g: This is Clear, Sprint upload is in the 4-5Mbps range with downloads at 16Mbps. Good numbers if that can be maintained with increasing numbers of customers.
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Denton, TX | What's the latency like? Can you game on it (XBox Live)? | |
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| | | ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
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kudos:4 | Re: What speeds & how good is coverage? said by mobbo:What's the latency like? Can you game on it (XBox Live)? The speedtest shows 77ms of latency. | |
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Denton, TX | Re: What speeds & how good is coverage? I guess my question would better phrased: has anyone gamed on this connection and seen pros/cons? | |
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Springfield, OR | That's not upstream congestion; some users are still on the old 6Mbps/500Kbps tier, and those on the 1Mbps tier were capped at 500Kbps for over a month until recently.
DSLREPORTS testing reports abnormally slow results as well, I don't think you're seeing the full throughput on the test here. I always use speedtest.net for that reason.
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Alfred, ME
kudos:3 |  Phones?
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| ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
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kudos:4 | Re: Phones? said by swintec:Are there phones out now that can work on 4G/3G/2G areas, depending on where you roam to?? No phones yet for 4G. Only cards for PCs. | |
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| | | Re: Go Sprint! Verizon and AT&T are busy debating who's faster and suing each other for it. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Go Sprint! Apple hasn't created a WiMAX iPhone yet.
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| said by Network Guy:Verizon and AT&T are busy debating who's faster and suing each other for it.
Indeed. The long history of the Bell System was substituting anti-competitive litigation (both in the courts and in the regulatory agencies) for innovation. Now it's fun watching the two successful offspring go after each other rather than actually develop new stuff....
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| Also launched in Austin and San Antonio For a total of 3.2 million extra folks covered in that area, if we're assuming the full metro areas are covered, give or take additional areas nearby. There's close to contiguous coverage between Ausin and S.A. Granted, the Chicago metro is 10 million people and DFW is 5.5 million, but still not shabby.
Interesting, though expected, that Clear's big thrust recently has been in TWC markets. What's even more interesting is that Clear's speed tiers are a tad better than TWC's wired cable internet tiers, though pricing is slightly offset.
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1000/500 Clear - $25
768/128 TWC - $20
3000/1000 Clear - $30
3000/384 TWC - $35
Uncapped/1000 Clear (6+ Mbps) - $45
7000/512 TWC - $40
Granted, TWC has lower pings and probably a more reliable network, but the prices on lower end service compare favorably with TWC and U-Verse, where the latter is available. Grande Communications loses out here on a price-performance comparison.
It's nice having no fewer than four providers competing on legit high speed internet, though no provider offers more than 2 Mbps up in San Antonio or Austin, at least not in most cases. You have to go to coop-powered GVTC territory for that (they have a 20/3 residential tier, and a 25/??? business tier).
One other thing: Clear's small business internet is MUCH cheaper than TWC's. I'll bet a few businesses will switch over due to the cost savings. | |
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Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio Now what bandwidth pool are each of the Clear tiers taken out of? Cable is 38mbit DOCSIS per node/tower. Is Clear's towers can only deliver advertised speed to only 1 subscriber at any time? How did Clear engineer their network for over subscription (which all telecom companies do).? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio 100+ MHz of spectrum to play with, that's how. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio said by iansltx:100+ MHz of spectrum to play with, that's how. Irrelevant.
If you have 1 tower serving 200000 subscribers, 100mhz is nothing.
If you have low SNR, 100 mhz means nothing.
If your not using all 100mhz by corporate financial decision, 100 mhz means nothing.
If your backhaul is less than what 100 mhz and the SNR and protocol make available, 100 mhz means nothing.
If there are legacy users in your 100 mhz, 100 mhz means nothing. | |
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Golden, CO
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| Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio 1. WiMAX is built for metro-area networks. There aren't going to be 200,000 subscribers on a tower, just like there aren't 200,000 subscribers on a cable node.
2. Cable has low SNR issues as well. There's also the issue of no-SNR areas...you know, the ones that aren't wired for cable.
3. If you aren't using DOCSIS 3.0 by corporate decision, 160 Mbps means nothing.
4. Clear has fiber backhauls to its main towers, and wireless bckhauls in between towers. Once you get fiber brought in the marginal cost of bandwidth is relatively low. On the wireless side, point to point wireless backhauls are available at the gigabit-per-second level.
5. There are no legacy users in the 100MHz of spectrum that Clear has.
With 100MHz of spectrum, Clear potentially has more capacity in a given area than 8-channel-bonded DOCSIS 3.0, though realistically due to lower than average signals etc. you'll see packages more comparable to DOCSIS 1.1 or maybe 2.0, at least with today's equipment. Which is perfectly fine; DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0 are more than enough to compete on mobility and price versus DSL, non-D3 cable and even DOCSIS 3. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio said by iansltx:With 100MHz of spectrum, Clear potentially has more capacity in a given area than 8-channel-bonded DOCSIS 3.0, though realistically due to lower than average signals etc. you'll see packages more comparable to DOCSIS 1.1 or maybe 2.0, at least with today's equipment. Which is perfectly fine; DOCSIS 1.1 and 2.0 are more than enough to compete on mobility and price versus DSL, non-D3 cable and even DOCSIS 3. How about some actual mbps? And does Clear use 100 mhz at each tower? and how much performance loss is there from frequencey reuse in wimax? | |
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Golden, CO
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| Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio WiMAX is 4.5 bits per Hz at maximum modulation. Probably around 3.5 bits per Hz normally. So on a 5 MHz channel you've got 5 x 3.5 = 17.5 Mbps of capacity on the downstream. 10 MHz channels may also be deployed.
Each tower probably won't use all 100+ MHz that Clear has, but could use 60+ MHz if sectorized with no performance degradation due to spectrum reuse. Which, thanks to the propagation patterns of 2500MHz, is high. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio Is that spectrum (100MHz that they have to use) per tower, per town, or for the whole US?
So if they use 5MHz for a tower, can they not reuse that for other towers/towns? | |
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| Re: Also launched in Austin and San Antonio Just like any other cellular provider (which they are, sorta) they can reuse their spectrum as long as they don't interfere too much with themselves...and they have a LOT of spectrum. I may be wrong on the actual numbers, but I think they have something like the whole 2500-2600MHz band or something similarly crazy. | |
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1 edit | Chicago anyone seen maps for Chicago or know where to get a coverage map for Chicago? Can't find anything on their site but I am a noob.
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never mind found it. they really need to work on getting the suburbs covered too. | |
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| | | Re: Chicago I've got coverage out here in Hinsdale. However, two things keep me from pulling the trigger:
"Unlimited usage plans are subject to certain limitations"
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"Typical download speeds are 3-6 Mbps"
That's not competitive at $50 considering they won't sell you just one plan. | |
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| | | | Re: Chicago i'm in evanston and appear to be in a black hole w/ clearwire. no service in Northwestern Territory | |
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| | | | | Re: Chicago Bender, are you saying that you have a clearwire compatible modem and it's not picking up any signal over there?
From the looks of the map it "looks" like Evanston is covered.
»www.clear.com/public/images/maps···cago.jpg
That would be a shame, especially since Evanston is a great place with all the cafes and bookstores round there.
Yea the EULA is kinda iffy about download usage "limits". | |
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| | | | | | Re: Chicago if the gray area has service, then yes. but when i put my address in it says its not covered. | |
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| | VOIP at a Fixed Location Has anyone tried VOIP at a fixed location with this? Is it reliable? | |
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| | | Re: Clear Austin, TX Speed Test In Detroit, we have a local wimax provider who is positioning their product against a T1 and even offering VOIP over it. I guess the devil is in the details (implementation). I'd also think that a 166ms ping time would knock VOIP out of the box. I've done it at upto 350ms from abroad, but it wasn't business quality. | |
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| | RoadRunner Mobile RoadRunner Mobile has also launched in Charlotte, as a result of Clear's announcement...
to see the plans we have now check out this link: Road Runner Mobile »bit.ly/2KgFWU
for a zip code enter 28202(its charlotte)we seem to have a lot of options... | |
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