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Sprint '4G' Hits Atlanta, Vegas, Portland In August
As mobile data launches mirror Clearwire footprint
by Karl Bode Tuesday 21-Jul-2009 tags: business · alternatives · bandwidth · consumers · wireless
Not too surprisingly, Sprint's "4G" phone buildout is largely going to ride on the back of their spun-off Clearwire mobile WiMax venture. Sprint will essentially operate as an MVNO on the Clearwire network, offering a lot of gear that provides CDMA/EDGE, Mobile WiMax and Wi-Fi connectivity. Of course that means the Sprint next-gen broadband markets are likely going to mirror Clearwire's existing footprint, with networks commercially available in Atlanta, Las Vegas (which officially launched today), Portland and Baltimore.

With that in mind, it wasn't too surprising to see Sprint announce this morning that their faster 4G service will first be made available in Las Vegas, Portland and Atlanta starting in August after it first popped up in Baltimore last fall. According to Sprint, Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Ft. Worth, Honolulu, Philadelphia and Seattle will also see service this year. A few smaller markets you may have heard of will come online in 2010, like Boston, New York and DC.

While Sprint's EVDO service currently has a 5GB monthly limit, the company website insists the new service will be "unlimited." That word has been abused enough in this industry for users to be skeptical until they see more serious deployment. As for speed, Sprint says that the service will "deliver peak downlink speeds of more than 10 Mbps and average downlink speeds of 3-6 Mbps." Last December Sprint announced the availability of the U300 modem, which provides users with data access to both their EVDO and Mobile WiMax networks.

With Comcast also planning to offer wireless broadband powered by Clear, there's going to be an awful lot of re-branding, cross-purpose marketing and co-habitation going on in next few months. That could wind up confusing consumers -- and will seriously test the new Clearwire network. All of this hinges on how quickly Clearwire can get things deployed -- the operator is promising deployment to 80 markets over the next eighteen months.

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swintec
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Are they the first?

Great news! Does this make Sprint the first mobile company to have a 4G service deployed?
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Re: Are they the first?

Technically -- aside from all the nerd fights over the semantic definition of 4G.

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Re: Are they the first?

said by Karl Bode:

Technically -- aside from all the nerd fights over the semantic definition of 4G.
Awesome! I love Sprint, and can only hope the Boston market means they will extend a bit northward as well and offer this in Maine and New Hampshire...Fairpoint and TW can use a nice kick in the butt to wake them up, and it looks like this could be a nice home / mobile internet solution.
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semantics like "since upgraded HSPA is 3.5g and can easily beat 3-6mbps and even 10mbps, why is 3mbps over stationary WiMax called "4g"" semantics?

That's more than semantics.
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Re: Are they the first?

Who cares what it's called? I'll take whatever gives me the best service for the least money.

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If you've seen the latest Spring commercials with all the statistics, they says sprint came out with 3G first, and they mention they created the worlds first 4G... Sprint has always been a wireless provider that tends to try to have the most high tech phones and technology. Since 3G they keep coming out with the latest. I still dont understand why they weren't chosen to have exclusive rights to the Iphone, but thats apples fault. I think its funny AT&T struggling to keep up with speeds, especially for Iphone users. I'm glad I am still with Sprint, most innovative cell phone carrier.
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Re: Are they the first?

You forgot about the Airave Femtocell (which is amazing by the way) and they will also be launching a 3G Airave very soon and they should be the first to do that as well. People can say what they want about the CS, but technology and service wise, they are second to none. None to mention my SERO pricing.
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Re: Are they the first?

Sprint PCS- Built from the GROUND UP. Not by buy outs and mergers of their core network like ATT and VZ

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said by BSD24:

If you've seen the latest Spring commercials with all the statistics, they says sprint came out with 3G first, and they mention they created the worlds first 4G... Sprint has always been a wireless provider that tends to try to have the most high tech phones and technology. Since 3G they keep coming out with the latest. I still dont understand why they weren't chosen to have exclusive rights to the Iphone, but thats apples fault. I think its funny AT&T struggling to keep up with speeds, especially for Iphone users. I'm glad I am still with Sprint, most innovative cell phone carrier.
Sprint fanboys.

If Sprint is so awesome, why are they bleeding millions of customers?

As far as your comment about iPhone speeds, are you an AT&T customer? I pull anywhere from 1.2 to 1.6 Mbps using the Speedtest.net app and mobilespeedtest.com. Typically, one can not comment on service they do not currently use, but that's just from a logical standpoint.
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Re: Are they the first?

Very true.. let me chime in then.. I have Sprint Pre, Verizon 9630 and an 3G Iphone on AT&T... First AT&T's service in my area (population of about 100k) SUX.. they do not even have 3G... now further south in a more urban area they do have 3G.. If you want to talk your good to go.. but use data consistently is another story.. come on this is the 21st century!.. Sprint does have its issues also but I put them on par with AT&T as far as service but Speed hands down Sprint screams past them!!
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said by Time:

Sprint fanboys.

If Sprint is so awesome, why are they bleeding millions of customers?

Sprint's churn has nothing to with their innovation.

The churn started with iDEN because the leadership was weak - aka Foresee. The current leadership divested WiMax and re-focused on Customer Care, Branding and Retention campaigns.

These 'lost' years (2006-2008) are still hurting Sprint. This is the price for empire building carried on by previous leadership leaving the 'customer' in the cold.

BTW, LTE is 2012+ and some of the technology issues are still outstanding while WiMax is a real working technology.

Vis-a-vis iPhone, the control that Apple wanted was not acceptable to Sprint.

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Innovation is good, but their time to market has only put them in debt. Apple's choice for iPhone is due to the he chipset in use (GSM 850/900/1800/1900 + UMTS 850/1900/2100) for GLOBAL use.
Creating a 2nd manufacturing process for Sprint/VZW isn't in their current interests. I suspect when they build for something other than GSM/UMTS, then VZW/Sprint may have a chance with CDMA/LTE. CDMA/WiMAX for Apple may not cut it unless Sprint/Clear is paying upfront for the excess costs of manufacturing.

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Sprint says that the service will "deliver peak downlink speeds of more than 10 Mbps and average downlink speeds of 3-6 Mbps."
You won't get those speeds on cellphones with Wimax when/if the phones become available. The fastest cellphones in the US today can't get faster than about 4 mbps even over WiFi networks, let alone over CDMA or GSM. The processors in the phones are the limiting factor.

But Wimax USB adapters for a laptop could make use of the faster download speeds.
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Re: Are they the first?

Yea, I wouldnt see a real need for up to 10 Mbps on a phone...I think those speeds would be great though for those who use the service as there home connection.
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Nah, processing WiMAX/Internet protocol/etc is so simple, it's one of the fastest things a processor is capable of handling.
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COnsideringtp the alternatives, absolutely.

By the way, Sprin's lack of speed caps on the mobile WiMAX offering is a big draw for me. Plus the combination modem...Sprint't EvDO coverage is solid in most of the places I go.

Wonder when they'll bring this hot tech to the Denver area? Would be a nice complement to Comcast's home broadban dppd service(saying this because of the relationship between Comcast and ClearWire) and might be another jolt of competition for Qwest, since at that point their DSL service in many areas would be slower than a comparably-priced wireless alternative. Might even get them to upgrade their ADSL-only areas!

Oh and by the way, vDO, not EDGE.

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said by swintec:

Great news! Does this make Sprint the first mobile company to have a 4G service deployed?
And probably the last to finish the 3G rollout. Still waiting for Sprint 3G in most of Louisiana and Mississippi.

If I remember correctly Verizon is 100% EVDO-RevA now... but I guess you get what you pay for.
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Chicago

I haven't been able to connect in Chicago for several months now. Their support people are very friendly and eager to help considering I was using their service in a market not yet live....but no one was able to actually fix my problem.
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Re: Chicago

I still find it odd how Chicago was one of the first cities that was supposed to go live and was one of the first where they did a real-world demonstration, yet it seems to keep getting pushed back.
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Re: Chicago

There are 3 things keeping Chicago from going prime-time: backhaul, backhaul, backhaul. That has been (and continues to be) a nightmare.
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Re: Chicago

said by Angry_Kid:

There are 3 things keeping Chicago from going prime-time: backhaul, backhaul, backhaul. That has been (and continues to be) a nightmare.
The WiMax design does not need backhaul (it can be easily distributed), but outbound edge connections.

CDMA/iDEN/GSM and others are currently back-hauled but do not need to be.

Converting an MSC to a full-blown regional DC is very expensive.
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4G caps

i'm in charlotte and cannot wait for this!! woohooo...
3G/4G on same card, will be awesome!
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Philadelphia

Anyone have a soft date for 4G in the Philly area?

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2.5GHz WiMAX vs. 700MHz LTE

Sadly, ATT and Verizon will make up any lost ground Sprint may gain by being first kid on the block with 4G.

Both will roll out 700MHz LTE in 2010/2011 at a substantially decreased cost due to the propagation characteristics of the lower frequency. The only upside is Clearwire/Sprint owns spectrum virtually everywhere in the US.

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Re: 2.5GHz WiMAX vs. 700MHz LTE

Sorry to let you know. ATT won't be building until 2012/13. Verizon is the only large carrier with an aggressive timeline for LTE in America.

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Capless???

I'm in Las Vegas... Did I understand correctly that this "4G" service is capless??? Anybody know the pricing??? (droool..)
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Re: Capless???

I'm on a "capless" NO CONTRACT plan in Atlanta and love it! Have been regularly using Skype video over WiMax with no problems. Get it!

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