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| NeosumPremium
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Oakland, CA | Re: sucky sprint said by glinc:We've been having issues in our stores months before the iphone was even out. All our stores demo's and customer phones barely getting 400Kbps down and barely 200Kbps up.
According to the masses of android users, they're not experiencing any problems at all and the network issue is iphone related only. I don't have sprint, so I couldn't speak for it either way.
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| | | | Re: sucky sprint said by Neosum:According to the masses of android users, they're not experiencing any problems at all and the network issue is iphone related only. I don't have sprint, so I couldn't speak for it either way.
I have a Sprint Android and someone at work has Sprint iPhone. My phone performed fine in 3G while his was 500Kbps or worse in same location. | |
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| | cahiattPremium
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Smyrna, GA | said by Neosum:According to the masses of android users, they're not experiencing any problems at all and the network issue is iPhone related only. I don't have sprint, so I couldn't speak for it either way.
I wouldn't say things are all rosy. I have noticed a significant drop in speed on 3g in Atlanta, Miami and Chicago over the past year on my EVO. But nothing as bad as the new IPhone users complain about. But it is enough of a drop to cause notice to me also. | |
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| | | | said by Neosum:said by glinc:We've been having issues in our stores months before the iphone was even out. All our stores demo's and customer phones barely getting 400Kbps down and barely 200Kbps up.
According to the masses of android users, they're not experiencing any problems at all and the network issue is iphone related only. I don't have sprint, so I couldn't speak for it either way. Well yes and according to them the iPhone 4S's dominating A5 GPU isn't important because... well it isn't. Until the Next Android Phone comes out, when suddenly specs do matter.
I don't trust non-iPhone users to be unbiased in this regard. | |
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If someone took a poll, I would bet overall across the board, Sprint's speeds on all devices are lower than they were 2 years ago. I have friends with air cards that switched to Verizon because Sprint slowed down so bad. | |
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| | | | Re: sucky sprint said by scott2020:Over the past year I have seen my overall speeds decrease. I used to consistently get over 1 meg down and at least 700-800k up on 3G. Now I get 300-400k tops down and about the same up. I have been using Android for the past 2.5 years or so.
If someone took a poll, I would bet overall across the board, Sprint's speeds on all devices are lower than they were 2 years ago. I have friends with air cards that switched to Verizon because Sprint slowed down so bad.
In some areas Sprint will add a lot more customers, in others they won't. Also they probably haven't backed up your cell towers with upgraded backhaul. | |
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|  digiblurGot Sipura?Premium
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Louisiana | said by glinc:We've been having issues in our stores months before the iphone was even out. All our stores demo's and customer phones barely getting 400Kbps down and barely 200Kbps up.
Yep, it's not a bug with the iphone, it's the backhaul to the network.
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| | | This has nothing to do with the iphone, problem is sprint packs too many customers on the same towers without upgrading the infrastructure. If you happen to live in a large metro area you'll probably experience very crappy connection speeds.
Not only are sprint subscribers sharing the same connections but virgin and boost mobile customers are too. Verizon OTOH maintains their towers/access points very well.
On sprint 4g you'll be lucky to see 3mb/s but on Verizon you'll see 12-14mb/s. | |
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| | | | Re: sucky sprint said by Sprintbag :This has nothing to do with the iphone, problem is sprint packs too many customers on the same towers without upgrading the infrastructure. If you happen to live in a large metro area you'll probably experience very crappy connection speeds.
Not only are sprint subscribers sharing the same connections but virgin and boost mobile customers are too. Verizon OTOH maintains their towers/access points very well.
On sprint 4g you'll be lucky to see 3mb/s but on Verizon you'll see 12-14mb/s.
Exactly, You never see speeds like this on Sprint
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|  jmn1207Premium
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Really??? People stand in long lines on launch day because the iPhone just works. In Sprint's case, it just barely works. | |
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| | | | Re: Really??? They stand in line because they want to feel special that they got the phone before someone else. If you are one of those morons who stand in line for 2 days then this is just part of it. | |
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| | | | | Re: Really??? those days of 2 day lines to get an iphone are over, most people just preorder it now and while the store is probably busy your not going to stand in line for a long time. | |
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| | | | | said by battleop:They stand in line because they want to feel special that they got the phone before someone else. If you are one of those morons who stand in line for 2 days then this is just part of it.
What exactly is the purpose of various forms of entertainment if not to make us "feel special"? Ever played an RPG?
I think people just find that sort of thing to be fun. I would never do it, but I understand how they feel. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | If it's not the newtork.... Whether it's software (hopefully) or hardware (bummer), who was responsible for testing? Did folks just assume it would work properly?
Apple is supposed to be notorious for perfection and while the iPhone is a good product (at least on other networks), if this is not just an overloaded Sprint network, who is responsible for dropping the ball? Was Sprint given advanced access to the phone and were they were supposed to extensive nationwide testing or is this Apple's fault for turning out faulty firmware/drivers or whatever? | |
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| | | Re: If it's not the newtork.... It's hard if not impossible to predect how thousands of phones will behave in the hand of a customer. | |
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| | | | Re: If it's not the newtork.... No, actually hardware performance is completely testable, and given its a apple the software should not have many surprises either.
I suspect the release was rushed and software and hardware were not tested properly. | |
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Is this a subtle reference to the iPhone antenna gate? | |
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Chesterfield, MO | If this was the FIRST smart phone to hit Sprint's network, I might agree. However, there's nothing revolutionary here as other smart phones don't have the problem. That means someone didn't spend the necessary time on configuration management. Clearly, it's a config problem unless the chipset Apple chose required completely new drivers. (That would be dumb but par since Apple is very closed and likely doesn't like to pay licensing fees to another tech company that knows Sprint's network.) | |
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Is that a statement based on first hand experience or just the ramblings of an arm chair network admin? How can you (or anyone on these forums) make assessments without knowing the facts about what is going on? | |
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You guys seem to suggest a problem with BREAKING a device in someway, but widespread systemic problems are evidence to some type of hardware or software issue apart from being broken.
Placing the onus squarely on consumers, especially in a widespread seeming systemic problem is just screams incompetence. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | The problem occurred right away. That means there couldn't have been such an influx of iPhone customers as to melt Sprint's network. If their network is melting, then I stand corrected. However, since others seem to suggest that other phones don't have the same slowness, it's more likely an iPhone-specific issue.
Regarding the facts, again you are correct in that we don't have enough. This is speculation but it smells an awful lot like someone didn't test it adequately on Sprint's network. Maybe it's because Apple didn't give Sprint enough time. Maybe it's because someone was careless at Apple and ignored Sprint's test results that cited a problem.
Regardless, the consumer experience is negative since folks on Verizon and AT&T don't seem to be complaining about 4s network speed problems.
I will also admit that I'm giving Sprint the benefit of the doubt in that their network is solid and has sufficient capacity. If not, then there's going to be a lot of unhappy Sprint iPhone users who are already locked into a contract on a slow network.
There's also another possible explanation in that folks may have moved from AT&T to Sprint to save a buck and found out that AT&T's 3G is remarkably faster than Sprint's 3G. That's quite possible but...the basic assumption of this thread is that it's not their network and it's some sort of firmware issue that hopefully will be corrected with an update. If true, then it's a mighty sloppy effort from both Sprint and Apple. | |
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| | | | | said by rradina:If this was the FIRST smart phone to hit Sprint's network, I might agree. However, there's nothing revolutionary here as other smart phones don't have the problem. That means someone didn't spend the necessary time on configuration management. Clearly, it's a config problem unless the chipset Apple chose required completely new drivers. (That would be dumb but par since Apple is very closed and likely doesn't like to pay licensing fees to another tech company that knows Sprint's network.)
Apple is using the standard CDMA approved and very popular Qualcomm chipset in the iPhone 4S. Qualcomm is the designer of CDMA and essentially every CDMA phone is digital by Qualcomm. | |
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Apple is supposed to be notorious for perfection and while the iPhone is a good product (at least on other networks), if this is not just an overloaded Sprint network, who is responsible for dropping the ball? Was Sprint given advanced access to the phone and were they were supposed to extensive nationwide testing or is this Apple's fault for turning out faulty firmware/drivers or whatever?
As I said in the other thread.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SAMSUNG EPIC 4G
they denied denied denied and then finally when enough people got pissed, they fixed it with a software update!! | |
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Glen Head, NY | Sprint Thread I have been on the Sprint forums but the link in this article is one I missed. There have been quite a few speed related threads.
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kudos:3 | iPhone Specific? I was going to upgrade my two phones to the Sprint iPhone or one of the Samsung Androids.
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New Orleans, LA | Sounds about right. A big company intentionally lies and deceives people through their idiotic releases claiming things they have no facts to back up.
Everyone and their mother could see the issues with the Sprint network no matter what tech forum or blog you went to. | |
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| | This is just Sprint being Sprint The article makes it sound like only the iPhone suffers from Sprint's under-funded backhaul poor network.
Users in mass have been complaining for over a year now that Sprint's 3G network has been degrading more and more.
Sprint as of late has been spending its money on press releases and its public fight with AT&T over the pending acquisition of T-Mobile USA. As a company already cash poor it sounds to me that they are not investing their cash in the interest of its customers or shareholders.
The iPhone is the kind of device that brings to life (very publicly) the network deficiencies of the host network. Sprint has now been exposed and will work feverishly through more PR's how it's "working with Apple to address the issue," when in reality they are scrambling to find cash to boost bandwidth in the areas most capacity constrained. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Re: Most likely a software issue... 1.7m / .18m are better but hardly 4G speeds. | |
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| | BS ... Sprint has major issues It is BS ... I have been a long time 3G data card user for my laptop ( I REALLY don't know why!) and the last couple YEARS has SUCKED ... BAD! I have been hetting speeds (mid-day) as low as 9kb/sec - yes you read that right. The "good" times I see 40k-60k ... and it's NOT connected at 1xRTT either ... EVDO RevA! The only reason I have not cancelled yet is that I am only away from a wifi spot a few hours a month and can deal with crap speeds. | |
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| glitches happen Considering that apple started to volume produce the 4s some time ago I am quite sure that Sprint and Verizon each got a number of early production iphone 4s some time ago.
Apple would have worked with Verizon and Sprint to setup whatever network profiles needs to be done. If it is like for GSM, those profiles are part of IOS and distributed with the OS, signed so nobody can change them.
it is quite possible that Sprint has not enable some network level feature that Verizon has (or vice versa) and this causes the iPhone some problems.
Perhaps Sprint had intended to enable such a network feature before launch but got delayed and now they are caught with that problem. They would have known on launch day that this would be a problem, but if their marketing campaign was already booked and ready, they couldn't postpone the launch and decided to ride out the problems.
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Onion, NJ | Re: glitches happen what iPhone specific CDMA feature are you talking about. Why do only iPhones need this feature supported (or disabled)? Why was this feature turned off (or on) in the first place? What will happen to all the other non-iPhone 3G devices if this feature is toggled?
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Onion, NJ | Re: glitches happen My WinMo Treo Pro was shipped on the Spring network with a misconfigured tcp receive window (the value was suppoesd to be entered in HEX but apparently was entered in decimal). Almost all the 3rd party ROMs never fixed this issue which is easily corrected by either downloading a .cab file, or, changing a value in the registry.
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