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Sprint Close To Offloading Nextel
That went well....
by Karl Bode 08:51AM Friday Oct 03 2008
Sprint's acquisition of Nextel was one of the worst telecom decisions in recent years, with the merger offering consumers little more than an endless stream of customer support headaches. The Wall Street Journal called it "the deal from hell;" the company being worth $35 billion when acquired in 2005, compared to a value of $5 billion today. It now appears that Sprint is ready to sell Nextel to Latin American service provider NII Holdings and private equity firms, provided a buyer takes a significant chunk of Sprint debt with them.

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sharksfan3
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join:2004-02-16
North Hollywood, CA

It's too late for Nextel

Their peak occured the day before the buyout was completed. It's been down hill since.

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

It would be nice to see Nextel exist as a competitor to Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Alltel once again. More competition will help to keep prices in check.
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DaveDude
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

They need to convert Nextel into the first LTE provider with very fast data, then it will become a data provider, and good roaming partner. That will save it.

rec9140
Provoice just DO it

join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

said by DaveDude:
They need to convert Nextel into the first LTE provider with very fast data, then it will become a data provider, and good roaming partner. That will save it.
iDEN and LTE have no correlation to each other.

SouthernLinc, NII, and nexhell are NOT phone systems they are RADIO systems similar to trunked public safety as in Motorola SmartZone, M/A-Com EDACS, LTR etc.. They have more in common with Motorola's than the others since iDEN is a Motoroal protocol but the concepts apply.

This is the reason spring and nexhell made no sense to start.

Sprint CDMA
Nexhell iDEN

Totally INCOMPATIBLE.

Plus along with the bandwidth needs of 1.4MHz to 20MHz for LTE after rebanding nexhell would only have 7MHz total between 862 and 869, and in the SE has to share that 7MHz with SouthernLinc. So dedicating the minimum 1.4MHz to LTE and then spreading the rest out for iDEN, plus site issues.... Don't think thats going to help.

nexhell users are there mainly for PTT and thats it. Fast data is a minimal concern for most on iDEN.
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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

said by rec9140:

Sprint CDMA
Nexhell iDEN

Totally INCOMPATIBLE.
Yup - bridging technology at best.
iDEN has more in common with GSM than it does with CDMA, and its still not compatible. SIM cards + MAP back end allows for iDEN to GSM roaming with ease, however, there have been very few GSM iDEN (i2000?) devices made, and there were for overseas roaming.
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DaveDude
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

But Nextel cant stay on 2G technology forever. Its needs to move on. All wireless providers have converted and delt with incompatibilities. ATT and Verizon have both ran dual networks.

S_engineer
Premium
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

Netxtel has a niche. If they focus on that, as well as getting some of their previous industrial customers back, they might just find a foundation from which they can build. Sprint...what a mess!
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by DaveDude:

But Nextel cant stay on 2G technology forever.
Correct. Nextel will become the 21st century equivelent of a pager (20th century). 7 mhz of spectrum is a joke, unless Nextel wants to have psychotic tower density.

Sprint should just silently convert Nextel into a Xohm brand, or silently switch the phones to CDMA 800/1900/SMR (iden freq). The CDMA standards org already made provisions/band plan for CDMA in SMR (although CDMA is now a dead standard, nobody to fund further development since all the big boys, and therefore small boys (for roaming) went to LTE (GSM)).

Sprint already has converted some Boost users to CDMA as part of their Boost Unlimited program. Since Qchat came out, killing IDEN is full feasible now. I havn't heard any criticism of Qchat yet. If there is any tell me.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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I wouldn't say that Nextel users are not concerned with data. I can tell you that many businesses are dependent on the PTT, however, major corporations, like Comcast even, moved to Sprint for the HSD over PTT which, in this case, is a major step back.

I for one, too, just once case here speaking for myself, dropped Nextel over Sprint for the data as well. I definitely miss the PTT side of the system, but, since everyone else I know (about 25 users) dropped Nextel for other brands like Sprint and AT&T for the needs of HSD & for better PDA access.

Many businesses are moving to network capable applications requiring a good internet connection. When it comes down to it, the PTT will lose out in the long run. What's a shame is they didn't do more to bridge the iDEN and CDMA phones like they started, and brought out more PDA iDen capable phones. (THAT was a MAJOR mistake on their part as well)

But, like so many others have said, Spring royally fu*ked up Nextel when they purchased it; and this deal NEVER should have went through.

Honestly, if Nextel would "sprint-off" into their own land again, AND if they'd do something by keeping the PTT and merging the voice and data with a CDMA or other technology, and package it with good customer service .. they'd have a winner. I'd *probably* dump Sprint in a heart beat. (Though I do like the $99 simply everything plan, too)

.. one can dream.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: Hopefully This Brings Another Competitor Back

My Nexthell BB 7100i does a lot of data... mostly email, and some WAP/mini Opera.
It is slow, but fairly reliable.
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it

join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
said by pnh102:
It would be nice to see Nextel exist as a competitor to Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Alltel once again. More competition will help to keep prices in check.
Nexhell is NOT a cell phone company and is NOT a competitor in the truest sense to VZW etc..

The PRIMARY users of the iDEN systems are users who need PTT aka DirectConnect aka walkie-talkie.

Its just a secondary function that iDEN systems can make phone calls in the terms of iDEN systems this is an interconnect.

iDEN is a RADIO system that has more in common with trunked radio systems most commonly used with public safety than a phone system.

The data features of iDEN could be richer, but for probably 90% of the users PTT and the slow data are fine.

Other than the Boost side of the things the primary users are business or public safety, and their #1 use is PTT.

SouthernLinc and nexhell are in a separate marketplace and attempting for either of them to compete against VZW et al as a cell phone provider when its not their forte doesn't help them, it only helps VZW.....

The purchase by sprint made no sense to start, but some times you have to learn the hard way.

Plus the $BILLION's in re-banding didn't help things either, but thats a whole different topic.
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sprint employee

@spcsdns.net

nextel off load

please just take it...........

fixyourmess

@direcpc.com

Re: nextel off load

said by sprint employee :

please just take it...........
yea now that sprint ruined nextel they want to get rid of it.i loved nextel until sprint screwed it up now it doesn't even work in my area,and that started 2 weeks after the take over,so now they are going to sell it at a huge loss that makes sense to me sprint fix your screw up

mindfrost82

join:2003-04-19
Elgin, IL

Re: nextel off load

I just love it when people say Sprint ruined Nextel. Nextel was at or near capacity when the merger happened. Once that happens, there's nowhere for the carrier to go except backwards. They were forced to change some of their technology due to the FCC and that would have been enough to put them under.

Sure the merger was horrible and didn't go smoothly at all, but Sprint didn't ruin Nextel, Nextel ruined Nextel before the merger even happened. Nextel saw it coming and they wanted to get out, that's why the started talking about mergers.
DarnellP

join:2004-10-12
Las Vegas, NV

Re: nextel off load

said by mindfrost82:

I just love it when people say Sprint ruined Nextel. Nextel was at or near capacity when the merger happened. Once that happens, there's nowhere for the carrier to go except backwards. They were forced to change some of their technology due to the FCC and that would have been enough to put them under.

Sure the merger was horrible and didn't go smoothly at all, but Sprint didn't ruin Nextel, Nextel ruined Nextel before the merger even happened. Nextel saw it coming and they wanted to get out, that's why the started talking about mergers.
Please don't disturb the Nextelians with facts and common sense.

fixyourmess

@direcpc.com

Re: nextel off load

said by DarnellP:

said by mindfrost82:

I just love it when people say Sprint ruined Nextel. Nextel was at or near capacity when the merger happened. Once that happens, there's nowhere for the carrier to go except backwards. They were forced to change some of their technology due to the FCC and that would have been enough to put them under.

Sure the merger was horrible and didn't go smoothly at all, but Sprint didn't ruin Nextel, Nextel ruined Nextel before the merger even happened. Nextel saw it coming and they wanted to get out, that's why the started talking about mergers.
Please don't disturb the Nextelians with facts and common sense.
i haven't seen not one fact yet,and as for common sense i switched to verizon right after the takeover common sense is that you use a service that works not one that doesn't.it don't take a brain surgeon to realize if it worked before the takeover,and don't after takeover whose the blame it surely is not nextel is it,and like i said i use verizon and love it.i could care less if they shut down nextel or not

fixyourmess

@direcpc.com
it really does not matter if your right or not sprint will always get blamed for nextel problems.it sure is funny i had service until 2 weeks after the takeover.then it went to shit from there voice was never real good in my area but would work.the direct connect was great everywhere in my area then the direct connect wouldnt even work,and all that in a 2 week period,and smartass what did fcc make them change

mindfrost82

join:2003-04-19
Elgin, IL

Re: nextel off load

If people all over the country had problems after Sprint took them over and the problem happened right away, how in the world could Sprint create such a nationwide problem within a matter of weeks? The truth is that Nextel was near capacity and that's what caused their problems.

As for the FCC, they told Nextel that they had to change the frequency they were using because it interfered with emergency services. As a part of the merger, they made Sprint agree to that. They already ruled that Nextel had to do that before the merger, which more than likely would have bankrupted them since that means they would have had to redo their entire network.

So one way or another, Nextel was going downhill, whether or not Nextel-lovers wanted to admit it or not. You can blame Sprint if you want and if it makes you feel better, but the facts prove otherwise.

Eitherway, I'll admit that I've been a fan of Sprint for a long time. I've had great service with them and I recommend them to lots of people. I warn them about customer service first because that is definitely a problem, but in the 8 years I had them I've rarely had a problem that customer service couldn't fix, and I've rarely had to call them for problems.

I've since switched to AT&T so I'm in no way a fanboy, I just know what the facts point to.

ninjatutle
Premium

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
I'm close to offloading Sprint myself. Just 2 weeks left on my Mobile Broadband contract
XOHMGUY

join:2008-10-02
Cockeysville, MD

Coming from an X-Nextel Partner Emp

I wish it would have never happened.. I had a great job, great service and etc... Thanks to a wasted merger we had what almost 10000 layoffs and 200+ store closings... I miss the old days.. ... Oh wait!! I got 4G now... Never mind..
weaver0

join:2004-05-05
Macungie, PA

so now what happens?

The wife has a hybrid Nextel/Sprint phone.. what becomes of her service? iDEN no worky?
ace41690

join:2003-01-24
Northfield, CT

well....

Sprint did still get thousands of synergy sites out of it, costing them significantly less than it would have otherwise. It also probably caused them to improve coverage more than they would have otherwise.
RichNice

join:2003-01-09
Bowie, MD
kudos:1

So after they separate..what then?

What will Sprint do then? Merge back with Embarq and rename the company Sprint all over again?
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: So after they separate..what then?

said by RichNice:

What will Sprint do then? Merge back with Embarq and rename the company Sprint all over again?
Become a holding company/investment vehicle for Clearwire, since I think there will be no direct Clearwire stock anymore (owned by Google, Intel, Cable companies, and Sprint).,

openupshop

join:2000-11-25
Chandler, AZ

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Nextel Use To Be The Bomb

I remember back in the day Nextel had perfect reception no problems connecting. Ever since Sprint bought them they made it crap! Say what you want, but I still think Sprint is garbage.

fixyourmess

@direcpc.com

Re: Nextel Use To Be The Bomb

said by openupshop:

I remember back in the day Nextel had perfect reception no problems connecting. Ever since Sprint bought them they made it crap! Say what you want, but I still think Sprint is garbage.
sprint is garbage it is tottaly unusable around here,and when nextel was working great im my area they had to ruin it to,and now it is unusable shame on you sprint

ReVeLaTeD
Premium
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
said by openupshop:

I remember back in the day Nextel had perfect reception no problems connecting. Ever since Sprint bought them they made it crap! Say what you want, but I still think Sprint is garbage.
Haven't used Nextel since after the merger, but I can backup the fact that prior to that, Nextel was always maximum signal strength except in like metal buildings and some tunnels. Other than that, max. I never had to count bars to determine signal strength.

T-mo gets 2 bars in my apartment, zero bars in a metal building. Verizon gets 1-0 EVDO and 2 bars 1X in my apartment; haven't yet tested the metal building. Mind you, I live in a residential area that borders on one of the largest commercial districts in San Diego. I know if this were the old Nextel, I'd have no issues getting a signal. Seemed like Sprint was decent out here too (through my job) but I refuse to go back to them (had them for personal a long time ago).

BillRoland
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Ocala, FL
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Merger failure had nothing to do with disperate technology

The merger between Sprint and NEXTEL didn't fail because Sprint uses CDMA and NEXTEL uses iDEN, indeed others have run dual networks and in fact Telus in Canada chooses to run both a CDMA and iDEN network, so obviously it can be done. The failure of the merger was that our new overlords at Sprint had no idea how to deal with their new customers they acquired. That's understandable, Sprint being cell network of last resort for low/no credit subs that nobody else would take, and NEXTEL being the choice primarily of business customers with good credit and strong loyalties. Sprint incorrectly thought they could drive everybody off the iDEN network and onto the Sprint side, which failed miserably. It was already too late when they realized it.

So more power to NII Holdings (NEXTEL International). Maybe things will finally improve for us, seeing as how these people know how to manage an iDEN system. I can only hope Tim Donahue gets involved as well, the man turned NEXTEL into verb.
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xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Sprint slicing itself up for selling pieces?

Sprint is probably doing this to sell off everything in pieces...

- Local division split - Embarq
- Xohm to split/join with Clearwire (though 51% owned by Sprint)
- Nextel splitoff
- LDX to Magicjack?
- Sprint backbone to Level 3 or PSI Net?
- Cell division to SK Telcom or DT?
DarnellP

join:2004-10-12
Las Vegas, NV

The title of this story...

is a little disingenuous and sensationalist IMO. I don't really think Sprint "receiving interest" in Nextel and Sprint being "close to offloading Nextel" are necessarily synonymous...

memememeeeeeeyou

@comcast.net

Nextel

Nextel was the top service for 2-way direct communication back in the late 90s/early 2000's. EVERY customer service company in the uiniverse used them from plumbers to cable guys to construction workers. Then when the service went national I sent my niece and nephew on the east coast i1000's just so we could take anytime night or day and it was teriffic!.

Then I got out of the service business and switched to Cingular which is now AT&T.

Now I don't use Direct-connect but I might start if all these damn services connected with each other.
dentman42
Premium
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH

The knights who say "Nii!"?

Buy our service or we will say "Nii!" to you!

WeSRT4

join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL

Sprint can't manage

I had a great job with an affiliate of Sprint before the merger happened. I said it was a stupid idea before it happened.

It only took 10000 layoffs (myself included) and countless numbers of subscribers gone to finally figure out it won't work.

YOU SUCK SPRINT!

J R G

@popsite.net

Sprint DID ruin Nextel.

All my Nextel phones worked great until a month after the sprint buyout of Nextel. How did they do it? They sold cell towers and leased SOME of them back. The California high desert area wasn't enough of a money maker to make Sprint want to lease these towers back. How do I know this? Because Sprint told me! They were even nice enough to let me out of my contract. Now I use a Verizon P.T.T. phone! Aside from missing the "chirp", it is everything and more than Nextel was when it first came out.