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Sprint Combats Over the Top Services With 'Messaging Plus'
by Karl Bode 08:27AM Wednesday Oct 16 2013
AT&T and Verizon have chosen to fight over the top messaging services from eroding cash cow SMS revenues by killing unlimited data and forcing users onto shared data plans (effectively driving up the cost of data). Given their continued support of unlimited, Sprint is taking a different approach with their announcement they're offering a new over the top (OTT) messaging service dubbed "Messaging Plus." Messaging plus adheres to the RCS 5.1 messaging standard and allows Sprint customers to communicate with any other wireless customer via text, instant messaging, group messaging and video chat.

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johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield

Messaging Plus

I don't see where it sends sms if the user doesn't have the same application. Seems like WhatsAPP to me....

great concept if I'm wrong!
johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield

Re: Messaging Plus

it appears that I was in fact wrong... it has its own SMS client built-in. nice app.
gregwriley

join:2013-10-22
Olathe, KS

Re: Messaging Plus

Yes, and it has it's own MMS application built in as well. We're doing our best to support as much native functionality that you can do on the client side (at least for Android).

tommyanon

@comcast.net
said by johnner1999:

I don't see where it sends sms if the user doesn't have the same application. Seems like WhatsAPP to me....

great concept if I'm wrong!

the difference is if this come bundled on all new sprint phones and pushed with updates soon every sprint user will have it making it much more feasible to use than telling all your friends to signup for whatsapp
johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield

Re: Messaging Plus

That is correct, but I assume the appeal is for friends outside of Sprint that might not have a SMS plan. Since sprint includes SMS "free" its not a plus for us as much, no?
gregwriley

join:2013-10-22
Olathe, KS
If I'm understanding your question, the app does send SMS if the B party does not have Messaging Plus, on Android. Unfortunately, iOS does not allow us to access the native message store of the device so you can only communicate to other Messaging Plus (and soon other RCS users on other carriers).

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

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Where to start

Ok the data on share plans is actually cheaper but why let FACTS get in the way. The issue with share plans is the DEVICE fee. And switching to share plans had NOTHING to do with eroding SMS revenues.

Let keep it simple.

Old Verizon pricing single line smartphone

450 minutes $40( actually $30 for the minutes $10 for the device fee )
unlimited texting $20
minimum 2 GB data $30( no option to choose less data )

Device fee $10
data/minutes/texting $80
TOTAL $90

Share Everything single line

Device fee $40
Unlimited minutes and Texting/2GB data $60.
TOTAL $100.

Old Verizon pricing family plan 2 smartphones

700 minutes $60( $50 for minutes $10 for first line )
Second line $10.
Unlimited texting $30.
Two 2 GB data plans $60( no option to choose less or to share data )

So device fee $20
Data/minutes/texting =$140

TOTAL=$160

Share Everything 2 smartphones

Device fee $80,
unlimited minutes and texting 4 GB sharable data $70
TOTAL=$150.

Share Everything is more expensive because the DEVICE fee is $30 higher. If it was the same $10 it would be $20 cheaper than old pricing. If you are going to complain about share plans at least complain about the correct thing.

We recently added a 5th line to our plan which would have necessitated an increase to 1400 minutes. This plan with taxes and fees would have cost us $310 month. We switched to Share Everything with 6 GB data and we are paying $292 with taxes and fees. We don't even use 4 GB so if we dropped down to 4 GB our bill would be $284. Even if we had 10 GB of data which would match the 10 GB we are forced to have on the old plans it would be $308. So still less than old pricing.

Tsume
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Johnson City, TN
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Re: Where to start

I get what you are trying to say, but I think you are missing the part where Verizon is charging a higher device fee to make up for the fact that they lowered their data/minute/texting prices. There is no obligation for the carrier's device fee to only go towards devices, so clearly some of that money is being charged to make up for the lower data/minute/text prices. Verizon can break down the bill however they want and even make the device fee 100 dollars with free data/text/minutes. That does not make the data/text/minutes free. What matters is the total price, not the break down.
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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

Okay...

I read the Sprint announcement and I have Sprint service but I am puzzled as to what this brings to the table that I do not already have. I assume this uses data such that AT&T and VZW users are not going to see any benefit.

I will be downloading it to test it out but I suspect it will not be replacing my use of iMessage or Facetime.
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Re: Okay...

I dont understand it either. Will it allow me to talk to other messaging platforms like iMessage, etc with my android device? The sprint announcement makes it seem like your friends need the same app.
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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

Re: Okay...

I downloaded it and it scanned my iPhone contact list looking for other users of the service. Finding none, it does not work. So it appears everyone you want to communicate with has to be using the app. Why bother?
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johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield

Re: Okay...

on Android it can replace your SMS app, not so with iOS.
gregwriley

join:2013-10-22
Olathe, KS

Re: Okay...

So as noted above, Messaging Plus can't replace your SMS functionality on iOS, but yes, it can on Android. As to the value play here, for those that would like to have FaceTime capabilities with their Android friends, they can. Also, broken group messages between iMessages and Android SMS are a huge problem solved. Could these issues be solved with another 3rd party app? Yes/maybe, but Sprint (and Jibe) took a proactive step in offering a solution supported by a carrier. Longer term, this app is build on the Rich Communications Services standard (RCS). Therefore, it will be more tightly integrated with network functionality and certainly more directly to other carriers.
decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1

um

Um, before the great unlimited kill off due to profit, err I mean pricing changes the per phone fee for unlimited data was $30.. The only reason its higher for data is because they simply want it to be...

4 gigs of data over your limit through verizon=60 dollars

4 gigs of data mailed via dvd less than $1.00- This has more over head and people interaction required to deliver, but some how its still way the hell cheaper than verizon/att's data plans on a modern technology network...

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: um

The high overage is so you DON'T go over. Only a dummy would go over by 4 GB knowing it's going to cost them $60. So no one does. Would you be more likely to go over it was $1 per GB overage? Yep and so would MILLIONS of customers. Thus Verizon would rake in BILLIONS in overage fees per year. I doubt they are doing that currently. Verizon doesn't want you to go over because the network can't handle all the data.

Why not go read up about all the complaints about speed issue I places like NYC. And most Verizon customers aren't even on unlimited data. Imagine how much worse it would be if it was. I'm not sure why people think mobile data is some unlimited resource that work on magic.
decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1

Re: um

Considering how much profit they make per gigabyte if it was just $1 per gigabyte if it was a true free market I think they would bust ass to make it happen if it was a true capacity issue.

But its not
wkm001

join:2009-12-14

I can't find it

in the Play Store.
johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield

Re: I can't find it

when I downloaded it only had about 500 downloads so far...

atuarre
Here come the drums
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join:2004-02-14
Conroe, TX

RE

I'll just wait for BBM for Android which is supposed to be out "in days".

HunterZ

join:2003-07-16
Kent, WA

Google Voice

What makes this a better choice than Google Voice, which I already use for voicemail and SMS features?

Group messaging and video chat I guess? I can do that too with Google Hangouts, assuming that the Sprint thing also requires a data connection.

Qumahlin
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join:2001-10-05
united state

Re: Google Voice

Google voice's lack of support for MMS is a major issue for a lot of people. Thats also the same reason it doesn't support true group messaging because group messaging is part of MMS.

Now while i'd like both the SMS and MMS protocols to die, the bottom line is they aren't going to for awhile longer and not supporting them means I essentially can't bother to ever give my google voice number out and reliable expect to receive all text messages without telling people "make sure you never group or pic message this number"

Not very efficient.

HunterZ

join:2003-07-16
Kent, WA

Re: Google Voice

I could never receive MMS messages on my Sprint Evo 4G even without Google Voice, so it wasn't a loss for me.
gregwriley

join:2013-10-22
Olathe, KS

Re: Google Voice

I know tons of people who have stories about SMS/MMS incompatibilities, even more that complain about iMessages to SMS/MMS problems. Again, 100's of apps have at least attempted to solve this problem including apps like Whatsapp. But we think that a) voice and video quality are superior to others, b) group messaging is a much better solution. All supported by Sprint. And the features coming will make it even better.